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DOC - 3mg, first time - psychic dud

gloggawogga

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I consumed 3mg of this stuff last week, dissolved in 3ml cheap vodka. I dosed at 9:00 AM in the morning. I had fasted since about 8:00 PM the night before. I was at home alone, well, with my dogs. My wife was at work she got home later on.

After dosing I proceeded to get some work done around the house. This sort of thing is common for me, especially on slower hitting psychedelics. I don't like to sit around and get my self all tensed up anticipating my trip, so I usually try to get something productive done until the drug hits. By 10:00 AM I was definitely feeling effects. Colors were very heightened and my concentration/focus was off at bit.

By 10:30 it was getting to be too much to get work done, so I decided to smoke a bowl, put some music on lay back for a while. The dogs layed next to me and wanted attention but I wasn't going to give them much attention. I was more into just laying back and enjoying the build up of the visuals. They were respectful of this.

Around noon the visuals were fully developed, and quite nice. Mentally however, I was only around a ++, and it didn't seem very deep at all. I pretty much felt like my usual self, like my ego was 100% intact, except that my mind was definetly racing in weird ways. For comparison, just 12mg of 2c-e or a low dose of cacti would get me thinking deeply or seriously about something, i.e. about some shit in my life, at least a little bit. But so far 3mg of DOC hadn't really gotten me thinking deeply or seriously about anything at all. At this point figured I just needed more time to come up.

There was a lot of stimulation and was getting restless so I left the house around 12:30 or so and went for a walk. It could not have been better weather, no clouds at all in the sky, temperatures in the upper 60's. I walked to a park, meditated in some secluded spots. All in all I was out for about 4 hours. The visuals remained strong for the entire period, though it was hard for them to compete with the very bright sunlight. The mental effects never really came on like I was hoping for though. I felt mostly like my usual self, there was no introspection, no self-analysis, nor any sort of really deep thought, and I never got to more than ++. There was during a few moments something in the head space remniscant of a DOM trip I had a long long time ago, that quite frankly made me feel like I could have been on the edge of something fierce and powerful, but whatever it was it never manifested. I don't know if it was just my mind latching on to a powerful memory or whether there was some real potential there. Over all I was dissapointed in the effects, but figured a higher dose would have to be tried in the future. I reminded my self starting with a lower dose of a research chemical is the wiser thing to do.

The walking did help with the stimulating effects, and while meditating I was quite able to relax my body very deeply. I had serious cotton mouth during the entire trip though, and couldn't seem to keep my self hydrated. The more fluid I drank, the more I peed. I also had no appetite all day. When I got I home from the walk, around 3:30, I smoked another bowl. The visual and mental effects were fading.

My wife got home around 6:30 PM. Conversation with her was minimally affected by drug, as I pretty much felt like my self. The stimulation was still going strong, and while I could relax my body if I wanted to, I really didn't enjoy constantly having to do so. Around 9:30 PM I at some fruit, and didn't find it easy to eat at all. My appetite was still very suppressed, despite that I could feel my body begging for food energy. I never got this sort of appetite suppression from any of the 2c's.

Sleep came at about 3:00 AM. Mild after affects the next day.

I don't know what to say. Perhaps there is some 'break through' with this substance that I need to reach that I will find at a higher dose. If not, or if its too hard on my body at that dose, this stuff will likely end up in my reject pile. I don't expect psychedelic phenethylamines to smash my ego like shrooms or LSD might, but I at least expect them to get me caught up in some sort of introspection and self-analysis. 3mg of DOC didn't even do that.
 
Wow, I was under the impression that at 3mg+ DOC got to be overwhelming. Is thid typical for you? ie, do you usually need more to "get there"?
 
You sound a bit less sensitive to the stuff than I am. That sounds similar in intensity to my 2mg trip.

But like you seemed to suspect, DOC is a whole different beast once you break through into it's very distinct +++ space.

If I were you I'd work my way up slowly... even 3mg taken again could have stronger effects on you. This chemical can be very deep and powerful (and I find the side effects don't increase with the dose... others may disagree) to the extent that many people I know have likened it to a high dose LSD trip.

These people aren't just making it up... I've taken 4mg and seen where the rabbit hole starts!

The amount of introspection and self-analysis you experience during a trip on *any* psychedelic is about 66.943% up to you. Perhaps if there is a next time the chemical will reveal itself a bit more, and you won't feel compelled to spend your trip playing the role of a "new psychedelic critic" ;)
 
You know what... I've been in contact with both 2 mg DOC blotters and also [xx] amounts of DOC powder. I took 4 mg of Powder initially (the first time i tried the stuff) and after 2 hours I really didnt feel like I was tripping that hard. So I took a single 2 mg blotter, and lemme tell you... that blasted me into another dimension.

Im starting to think that the main batches of powder going around are a little less potent for whatever reason... than the blotters that is...

... more testing to come though
 
bluedolphin said:
Perhaps if there is a next time the chemical will reveal itself a bit more, and you won't feel compelled to spend your trip playing the role of a "new psychedelic critic" ;)

I find the role of the "new psychedelic critic" is almost always detrimental to really getting involved in and truly extracting something meaningful from the trip. I almost always find deeper things on subsequent journeys. So I would recommend trying it again.
 
gloggawogga said:
I consumed 3mg of this stuff last week, dissolved in 3ml cheap vodka. I dosed at 9:00 AM in the morning. I had fasted since about 8:00 PM the night before.

are you going to fast again next time, since you commented you knew your body needed food throughout the trip?

nice work though :)
 
I was able to eat and even toss back several beers during one of my DOC trips. So, to avoid nausea I'd fast before hand and eat up once you settle into the peak :)
 
are you going to fast again next time, since you commented you knew your body needed food throughout the trip?

Good question. Usually with phenethylamines I like to fast before a trip so that my system is clear during the come up, and then I eat during the peak. That works well with me for mescaline and the 2c's. But with DOC the appetite supression was pretty strong through the entire trip. I guess next time I'll try carb-loading with pasta the night before the trip, much like runners do, and then maybe try to force some fruit down a little bit earlier in the trip. Some apple or other fruit juice sounds like it might help with the cotton mouth too. I could try sports drinks too, but I like to stay with natural things.
 
Dose higher

for all the reasons others replied here, i simply say, dose higher.
I am not very sensitive to this chemical and have gotten it from a few different batches. I am planning a 20mg trip soon.
 
^^^

Yeah but I think its more the fact the we use psychedelics for different reasons. I mean yeah I saw lots of colors, swirls, maybe a vortex, etc. But I hardly paid any attention to it, because I don't take psychedelics for eye candy, entertainment , or fun. I'm looking for something more entheogenic.

DexterMeth said:
I was on Zyprexa and Lexapro, then Indarel and Tegratol, then Paxil, then Remeron and Depekote, now switching from Seroquel to Geodon just to give it a try ..Seroquel has worked the best for me so far....but fuck yes i still like to trip.

And its kinda moot that you take 20mg of DOC when you take antipsychotics that weaken psychedelics. Put simply, your experience with DOC is entirely irrelevant to me.
 
Sounds exactly like what I experienced with 2mgs. I found the compound awesome in its stimulation, but far less than impressive in its psychedelic nature. Perhaps a higher dose would do the trick, but even 2mgs gave me some cardiovascular uncomfort. Has anyone experienced this with lower doses? If so, does a higher dose tend to produce more?
 
same here with ~2.75mg...is there a strong dose-response with DOC ?

If 2.75mg was mild, will 3.5-4mg be really stronger and really psychedelic ?
 
I had mild effects with less than 4-5mg. My best trip was at 7mg, and even that was not overwhelming, maybe in between ++ and +++
 
^^^
I wonder, even *if* you are working with down-regulated receptors or whatnot, and given the likely fact that most people would trip harder than you on a given dose of DOC...

... does your dose still help us push the safe-dose-ceiling on this one? I mean, even if you didn't trip as hard as I would off 20mg (I presume..), does your trip give me and other people an indication of how much DOC can be consumed without serious physical consequences?

I'm not trying to make any judgements about DOC's safety based on how it affected one person who took high doses... but it's a start, right?

Also I wonder if anyone died from 20mg+ doses of DOM distributed in the early 70's. Seems to me DOM is a much more stimulating and rough ride than DOC -- at least from everything I've read..
 
so my latest trip on 20mg when i havent been on meds for a month is moot?

To me, yes.

First off, you're still using other drugs. You mentioned you need opiates/benzos to deal with the amphetamine like come down. And as someone pointed out in another thread, your receptors are prolly still down regulated even a month after the seroquel. Based on your posting history here at BL, and your use of so many drugs with reckless abandon, I wouldn't be surprised if your receptors are permanantly altered.

Compared to me you're a relatively young user using psychedelics for fun, not spirituality, personal growth, or anything like that. I'm not looking for a 'fun' drug, and I don't think you quite understand what I am looking for. I don't want to have to take opiates to come down off my experience. I want to come down an integrate the experience cleanly. And, not to mention, when your body is 40 something years old (if it ever makes it to that age) you're going to be alot more sensitive to the side effects of any drug. You aren't going to recklessly pop higher and higher doses with the sense of invincibility that you do as a youth.

There are old psychonauts and bold psychonauts.
 
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you couldnt be any more wrong about what i like or do and why. But you're twice my age, and i generally look up to my elders..so i understand what you mean, and why. I havent been abusing any drugs at all accept alcohol once a week in the past month or so and i smoke cigs daily. I never said i take opiates and benzos on the comedown..i say it would be needed..personally...and not really needed, but wanted. I never wanted to go pop higher and higher doses of DOC, but I just felt it wasnt enough...

perhaps you are right, and i should just move on to something else that doesnt require such insaine dosages and a long comedown. mescaline would be the most worth it for a long trip for me...second would be ayhuasca, then mushrooms.
 
About the whole "down regulated receptors" thing. If my receptors are STILL downregulated..then i hope they stay at this, or get even more down regulated...for if they sped up any more it would be like i was on meth all the time... i personally think i have an ultra sensitive perception if that makes any sense. I was always the person that would flip the fuck out off just one hit of weed and start to hallucinate mad, and try to kill people on meth., oh, and crack sometimes will make me puke from the overwhelmingness...
:| Namaste :|
 
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