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Dobbing in drunk drivers you know.

they have to think this through... they want to raise the punishment, and they want to make us dob in people. the chances say that you will know the person and they will be an intimate...
people dont want to dob in thier friends, and they will want to less if the punishment is raised...

it doesnt make sence...

its exactly the same as sexual assults.... its just stupid....

STUPID...
 
There was a news story up Rockhampton few years ago, there was end of year exams party, and this student was drunk as fuck, but he was just sitting in the car, the keys in the ingition, but not running, but he just wanted to "listen" the radio, and he swore that he had no plans to drive or whatever, as the police was checking the party because of neighour's noise complaints, and the student got charged for drink driving, even the student wasn't driving, or even left the party premise, or the motor was even running, still the student got charged and had go to the court. I am not sure what happened to the court.

So in QLD, you can be charged for drink driving even you are not driving and the keys is in the ingition, and not running.
 
Speaking of dobbing, you can also dob in people who litter from cars or have smoky car exhausts at the EPA! The only proof they need to give an on the spot fine of $200 is a statement agreeing to appear in court should the defendant dispute the claim. I imagine the dob-in-a-drunk-driver would be similar.
 
^^ In that case, this would be lethal.

Surely they couldn't allow that, because I could claim someone drove drunk and that I'd go to court over it even if they didn't... And there's a good chance they'll get a criminal record. There'd be a lot of 'my word against his' cases...
 
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But if I was in a pub or bar, and some fuckwits were in the pub, and saw them driving off, happy to dob these dickheads in...... but for close mates... would be hard.
 
It is an interesting moral dilemma here, but for mine, the less dickhead on the road driving after drinking, the better. I haven't personally lost any friends or family to car accidents but I don't really want to start any time soon. Drink driving is one the most stupid and irresponsible things you can do. I don't really care if you write yourself off in your car because you deserve it if you are stupid enough to get in a car after driving, but I really do care about pedestrians, families in cars, and hey just about EVERYONE who uses the roads responsibly.

I definitely agree however that if the person is a friend or acquaintance of yours or is family that you should definitely go for the 'talk to them about it' option before you take any 'dobbing' action.

Legally, it could get very interesting...

CB :)
 
I think there's one difference with this compared to say the "dob in the litterbug" program. With the litter program, you dob in someone and its based solely on the word of the dobber.

With this proposed system, further action will be taken from my understanding. A person is dobbed in and this serves the purpose of making the police aware of the said individual commiting the offence. The poilce either intercept the driver at that momment or they keep an eye out for him/her. Either way a major logistical undertaking.

I don't see this being based soley on the word of a dobber - I think for this to work there would need to be some sort of concrete evidence of the crime being committed. There is more at stake if convicted. I really think to avoid this being abused, the individual needs to be caught by the police in the act of driving under the influence.
 
What happens if you are dobbed in for drink driving, does that then give probable cause to vehicle/home searches which may likely ressult in consequent drug possession charges and the like.

Is it just me or has a 'dob in a drug dealer' hotline already been established (or in the works)...maybe its just me.
 
originally posted by urbanhog:
So in QLD, you can be charged for drink driving even you are not driving and the keys is in the ingition, and not running.
I think this is also the law in NSW. The cops were unable to breath-test my friend because he had removed the keys from the ignition. It wasnt an rbt...we were just sitting in his car drunk, listenting to music (he hadnt driven drunk - but was intending to drive home later). The cops said they would be looking out later to see if he was driving home drunk.
 
^^^ My uncle almost got done for this... he had a big night and was going to sleep it off, but being the middle of winter the car was cold, so he started it up and ran the heater for a while. after it heated up enough he turned off the engine but left the keys in the ignition. Cops drove past and peeked in and tapped on the window to wake him up. He still had the club lock on the wheel and the cops said that was the only reason they didn't pursue it further, he just got a major lecture.
 
"Is it just me or has a 'dob in a drug dealer' hotline already been established (or in the works)...maybe its just me."

they've had a dob in a dealer hotline where i live (north coast) for around 8 years now, maybe even longer. it's part of an operation called operation noah. as i've only recently just moved back i'm not sure if it's still running, but they used to start it around the start of the harvest season and run it for about 6 months. we had posters all over school for it with these really dodgy looking houses on them.
 
While i'm all up for anything that stops or deters drink drivers, its just fraught with too many logistical issues for it to be workable - especially in metropolitan areas.

I actually talking about this with a close family friend (who also happens to be a policewoman) last nite. Apart from the convoluted process to actually obtain proof that the driver was over .05, the biggest problem she saw was actually finding and catching the drivers.

Within inner city areas, what station has the available police officers to go chasing around the back streets to find the dobbed in drunk driver? While i'm sure you could charge someone for the offence of drink driving after they had made it home, but its just too much of a grey area for it to be tested on a day to day basis.

All sorts of issues start to arise if you are driving a car that is not your own, like all of us, i've driven friends cars home who are not fit to drive. A random, bartender or someone we didn't like, could very easily dob us in as we leave the pub, the police then spend the next hour trying to find my mates car only to find out that I, stone cold sober (don't laugh it does happen ;) refused to let her drive, deciding to go back to my place to crash.

Within the country it would be a different matter entirely. My dad lives on the farm and has lost his licence due to drink driving about three years ago. (Stupid i know:X) Now that he's got his licence back, if the police see his car outside the pub they will sit around the corner waiting till he comes out. Many country police do this with anyone they know to be a drink driver. The barman at Dad's local regularly reminds his patrons that the cops do sit around the corner (and along the back way too).

This is a great thing, never does my dad or any of his equally alcoholic mates drink and drive anymore, they either get their partners to pick them up or take turns to drive. A couple of months ago the barman called the cops on a guy who was on the verge of passing out, who was hell bent on driving home. This was after the barman had wrestled the guy for his keys to no success. Everyone in the area knows they will be caught if they drink drive. And with the horrific percentage of road accidents/ fatalities in the country, not too many people have an issue with it.

The country police are also better equipped to implement an informal ' dob in a drink driver' plan. Generally less stressed for resources, they know where many people live (esp. the drunk drivers) and they have a much greater chance of catching the driver before they get home (given the geography). Also, any potential drain on resources is far more justifiable given the higher the country road toll.

But within the city, you'd just have too many people abusing the system and to actually inforce it effectively, would be a nightmare.
 
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I'm sure this has already been said, but how many people are going to just dob in someone they don't like in the hope that they get hassled by the police. They might have no knowledge of them ever drink driving, but they call the hotline anyway. Now this person's number plate is on the police watch list just because someone said it should be, and the cops have a green light to pull them over and probably waste their time since there has never been any evidence they've done anything wrong.

Don't get me wrong - if they are caught drink driving then they probably deserve it. But it's hardly fair if just because your enemy or someone says so that you have to drive around with a target on your back.
 
astrosmurf said:
they've had a dob in a dealer hotline where i live (north coast) for around 8 years now, maybe even longer. it's part of an operation called operation noah.

Actually, I remember this back in year 7. Some girl said she was going to call them on me because I wouldnt give her a cone when she asked.

Ahhh... the good old days.
 
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So in QLD, you can be charged for drink driving even you are not driving and the keys is in the ingition, and not running.
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Im not sure wether laws change from state to state regarding these circumstances or not but i have lost my license for 3 months in WA ( first dd offence) for this exact thing. My mate had just been booked for pissy at 3am and i had nowhere else to wait execpt in his ute, anyway wen he came out he jumped in the ute and after about 5 minutes we decided that i would quickly start the ute and drive off quickly and the cops wouldnt be able to catch us, so i was about to put the keys in wen pigs pulled out onto the street and right behind us and made me blow into the bag which i blew apart:X .
 
i was in a big car crash where my mate (the driver) had been drinking. we took out a power pole n just walked bak to his house. the cops showed up 2 hours later and breathalised him but he sed he had been drinking after he got home (it was his 18th so its understandable if he drank afterwars, not that he did). anywya they coodent prove anything so they just sed meh and he got off without a fine wen he shood of lost his license.

also i think fining sum1 for sitting in a car with keys in the ingnition is a load of shit, i also think its unfair to fine sum1 bcoz they wer going to comit a crime, how do the cops even no um yeh planned to drive?
 
drinky_mcbeer said:
also i think fining sum1 for sitting in a car with keys in the ingnition is a load of shit, i also think its unfair to fine sum1 bcoz they wer going to comit a crime, how do the cops even no um yeh planned to drive?

^^^^
It's those fucking pre-cogs from Minority Report.
 
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