Psychedelics open the door but we ourselves must always step through them. Our perspectives can be stretched so that the open door can become painfully obvious, thus the stakes are raised together with our keen awareness but the catalyzation does not necessarily change our efforts. Our efforts to take that step towards and through the doors, but also - very important not to forget - the burden of carrying back what was seen beyond it, even if it is a blessing.
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Do you think Jesus would frown on psychedelic use?
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My understanding is that ingesting a Psychedelic is going through the door. And ingesting
a Psychedelic without recognizing who They are is going into God's house and telling them
"this isn't Your house".
Since John the Baptist came, to the present time, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence
and the violent are taking it by storm.
--St. Matthew, 11,12
a Psychedelic without recognizing who They are is going into God's house and telling them
"this isn't Your house".
Since John the Baptist came, to the present time, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence
and the violent are taking it by storm.
--St. Matthew, 11,12
qwe
Bluelight Crew
psychohistory...
the farther back in time, the more likely the cause of death for a human is another human.
the farther back in time you go, the more prevalent is the type of thinking we today call "pathology."
you can see our very language (words, definitions and emotional associations of words, semantics, syntax) and notion of morality change if you track it back across written history.
the spiritual humans' very nature is change. when we forget this wisdom, we become stuck in time and ignore new evidence in crucial ways.
the bible is a wonderful document, but considering it the "end" is to end our species' growth.
panic in paradise
Bluelighter
^“Beware the man of one book.”
St. Thomas Aquinas
The Krishna book and much of Buddhism helped me to make more sense of the Bible. As you can see, one sentence can bring volumes of discussion...do not be amazed !
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“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.”
St. Thomas Aquinas
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St. Thomas Aquinas
The Krishna book and much of Buddhism helped me to make more sense of the Bible. As you can see, one sentence can bring volumes of discussion...do not be amazed !
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“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.”
St. Thomas Aquinas
lol
Thorns Have Roses
Bluelight Crew
I wasn't meaning to say it was the best and only way, just a valid one, and the validity hasn't decreased over time (certainly I wouldn't be able to appreciate it without having explored other systems of thought).
But I do stand by my statement about the sameness of it all, the spiritual quest is to know oneself more truly, and the goal is to find meaningfulness from this. From the perspective of individuals (the one I care about), nothing has changed, just because I find distraction in electronic boxes and peaceful vapid consumerism doesn't make me any more of a human being than my distant ancestor who did so in jamming a sword into the skulls of some rival group. It's an accident of socialization, and I do not worship at the alter of that no-thing, "society," so I'm not going to give it any praise for this accident. I say it is poisonous idolatry.
A good spiritual system is going to bring me to myself, find the joy and love in that which IS. It's going to help me forgive and overlook all the bullshit in the world and not be consumed by my hate, alienation and wistfulness. And mankind's need and search for that hasn't changed at all.
pip said:
Taoism, Buddhism, Existentialism (not an exhaustive list) and personal mystic experience were all integral to getting me to the point of being able to appreciate and understand it. Especially that last one got me over the hump of dissociating the behavior of all the self-professed Christians I'd known and been raised by who use religion as an excuse for self-righteousness and the spread of ill-will and pain in the world with what Christ, the prophets, apostles and saints all ask of us (which is a lot, and very difficult to commit to).
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Thomas Aquinas, a canonized Roman Catholic saint, wrote in Summa Theologica, "Unbelievers deserve not only to
be separated from the Church, but also... to be exterminated from the World by death." (http://www.coolove.org/index.php)
Thorns Have Roses
Bluelight Crew
^So? I mean, just because people have some abhorrent opinions doesn't make it so that everything else they ever said is wrong by default. That's like not reading Lovecraft just 'cause he was a flaming racist xenophobe.
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Interview with Jack Kornfield that addresses this (do an Edit -> Find search for kornfield): http://www.purifymind.com/IV3.htm
xHippiexchildx
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1 Peter 5:8
"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:'
"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:'
I've never found any religious system even comparable to the use of psychedelics. Psychedelics require you to believe nothing, accept no "theories" or fanciful ideas of "reaching enlightenment" - they just interact with your body and mind and you can make of it what you will.
That's why I always find it a little distasteful when people try and pollute psychedelics with man-made religious ideas. Psychedelics are above all that shit - that's the true beauty and power of them.
That's why I always find it a little distasteful when people try and pollute psychedelics with man-made religious ideas. Psychedelics are above all that shit - that's the true beauty and power of them.
However, the question isn't whether the people today would approve or not of what I believe to be the only true God, (Psychedelics), but whether Christ would have approved (or Buddha).
Since Buddhism was to Hinduism as Christianity was to Judaism, Gotama had to had been completely familiar with
the worship of Soma in the Vedas.
Soma was a Plant - and today, is still known and believed to have been a Plant (by Hindus.) However, the identity of the original Soma has been lost and has been replaced by, what is known to be, a substitute.
Some people think Soma was the Amanita Muscaria. Others think Psilocybin. There are other proposals as well.
Soma was called the "Creator of the Gods" in the Vedas. This would make Soma
equivalent with what the Christians called "the Father" with the Gods such as Indra, the children of Soma.
There is a Communion ceremony in Buddhism in which "saffron water" is the equivalent of Chirstian "holy water". I would think that just as the identity of the original Soma was lost, the identity of the original saffron water was also lost (likewise, the identity of the original Christian Eucharist).
In fact, my belief is that that is what one of the main missions of Christ, Buddha and others was: to awaken people to the true identity of God, that had been lost.
O just Creator,
Though the world has not known You,
I have known You,
and these have believed that You have sent me.
So have I declared,
so will I declare Your Name to them.
-- St. John, 17,25
Since Buddhism was to Hinduism as Christianity was to Judaism, Gotama had to had been completely familiar with
the worship of Soma in the Vedas.
Soma was a Plant - and today, is still known and believed to have been a Plant (by Hindus.) However, the identity of the original Soma has been lost and has been replaced by, what is known to be, a substitute.
Some people think Soma was the Amanita Muscaria. Others think Psilocybin. There are other proposals as well.
Soma was called the "Creator of the Gods" in the Vedas. This would make Soma
equivalent with what the Christians called "the Father" with the Gods such as Indra, the children of Soma.
There is a Communion ceremony in Buddhism in which "saffron water" is the equivalent of Chirstian "holy water". I would think that just as the identity of the original Soma was lost, the identity of the original saffron water was also lost (likewise, the identity of the original Christian Eucharist).
In fact, my belief is that that is what one of the main missions of Christ, Buddha and others was: to awaken people to the true identity of God, that had been lost.
O just Creator,
Though the world has not known You,
I have known You,
and these have believed that You have sent me.
So have I declared,
so will I declare Your Name to them.
-- St. John, 17,25
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Thorns Have Roses
Bluelight Crew
^When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Are you saying that Lovecraft advocated the extermination of races other than the one he believed superior?
Thomas Aquinas was on par with people like Hitler.
Foreigner
Bluelight Crew
Um... Jesus wandered in the desert for 40 days and 40 nights, and talked to a burning bush. I think it's safe to say that he was no stranger to psychedelics. No one in that barbaric era gained enlightenment entirely on their own!
panic in paradise
Bluelighter
there unfortunately are many great minds that have become corrupted, and what he said does not make the quote any less true.
"Beware the man of one book.”
Thomas Aquinas
Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius (Kill them all. For the Lord knoweth them that are His.)
"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think."
Adolf Hitler
panic in paradise
Bluelighter
are you suggesting i only read one book?
Who reads books anymore with the internet available?
panic in paradise
Bluelighter
haaaha
Now thats funny, and not so bad but taking things for more then face value
says a lot more then any book could.
