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Do you think Iran should be allowed to have a nuclear weapon?

Exactly. The US has tended to invade states in the wake of attacks by non-state organizations. Which states would the US retaliate against in the case of a nuclear strike by a non-state organization?

Well I'm confused as to how we would retaliate? If Iran sponsors these non-state organizations, then in my opinion they're just as guilty. You can't you can't help these groups achieve their goals and then sit back and say " oh they did it not us" we're Iran, not AL-quida(sp?)

It's the same both ways though, because we're just as guilty as the Iraqi's for going to war with Iran, because we supplied them with munitions and weapons.
 
L2R Post #75: 'How is Ashura celebrated?': It begins with flogging each other with leather whips and rattan canes and eventually progresses to a frenzy of stabbing with every celebrant stabbing the other until all are covered in blood. The goal is to inflict pain but not to kill although many deaths take place with those dying being assured of Paradise, as is their "killer." The "celebration" includes toddlers up to elderly and only involves males.

As for sucking blood from penises, something you seem to know about quite well, that may be disgusting to some but it does not simulate an orgiastic killing spree (the stabbings are meant to replicate the murder of Ali and the dssapearance and for some the eath of Hassan). Sucking bloody baby penis however is custom from a time when saliva was believed to be an antiseptic. While once practiced by Jews it is today almost extinct (the custom involved a ritual circumcisor sucking on a male infant's wound after performing a circumcision. A glass or silver tube was placed over the incision and excess blood was sucked off and spit into a spitoon. Glad to see you are up on it but I do hope you are using that tube and not putting your lips on somebody's bloody penis. It isn't safe buddy).

and this is all relevant to nuclear weaponry how exactly?
(remember you are the one who brought these customs up, i can accurately quote the post if it is required, so feel free to ask)
 
Iran is a nation that arrests and criminally charges pigeons

Citation needed. I can find references to Iran "arresting" two pigeons, but I can't find any evidence that they were criminally charged.

I also can't find a direct quote from an Iranian source claiming that the pigeons were arrested.

Some of the news articles state that Iran captured two pigeons with spy equipment attached to them. Other sources state that the two pigeons were "arrested".

I wouldn't be surprised if a mistranslation happened somewhere and "arrest" was substituted for "capture". After all, it makes a better story.

Anyways, the Iranians shouldn't worry about pigeons. Everyone knows that the US uses cats for spying, not birds. ;)
 
L2R Post #83: 1) 'How is the fact that the Iranian people celebrate a major holiday by whipping and stabbing each other relevant to whether or not they should be allowed to possess nuclear weapons?': Most people would probably not need to ask that question. Most sane people would feel that a Government that not only allows such actions bur actively promotes it as well indicates pis* poor judgement and probably a fairly high proclivity towards irrational violence. Poor judgement, a penchant for irrational violent outbursts and nuclear weapons just aren't a great combination.

2) 'Rachamim had once posted about Jewish customs relating to circumcisions.': Wow, so weird. I mean, one would almost imagine I was Jewish, right?
 
Escher Post #84: I don't see the point to your asking for citations about the pigeons. You constantly split hairs in an effort to "catch" me (which as of yet you have yet to do) while the only relevant fact is whether or not Iran believes pigeons are spying on it. You said you could not find an Iranian source discussing the arrests. Fars is the state media outlet, Google the following, "Fars News Agency: Iran Busts Spy Pigeons Near N. Site." I'm sure you will reply that "busts" doesn't equal "arrests" or some other inane reply.

As for Americans and cats, without wasting my time with your link I reckon you are probably referring to some issue that took place decades ago. Pigeons have only ever been used to carry messages and by 1950 were obsolete. They would be of absolutely no use in recon because they can only be used to fly from point B to point A, point A being their home roost. They cannot be trained to stop somewhere and even if someone somehow managed to do it how would they get the pigeons to photograph something. Israel has UAVs 3cm long, that can be absolutely controlled and can carry sensing and photographic devices. Using a pigeon would be asinine. In fact, Saudi Arabia, Egypt AND Sudan have also "arrested" Israeli pigeons. The pigeons were part of a migratory study. Saudi Arabia was the only one of the nations that managed to figure that out and later blamed its own media for going with the "spy pigeon" angle. Indeed, the same year that Iran arrested them India arrested a "spy pigeon" it blamed on Pakistan but it too was merely part of a study. Israeli buzzards have been arrested as have one other type of bird. Iran however, outdid itself when it arrested 12 "spy squirrels."

In a man on the street piece a Tehran street food vendor, Hassan Mohammadi, asked first, where the squirrels were from. Told they didn't know, he responded, and I quote verbatim, "I bet they were British squirrels, they are the most cunning." Iran is NOT a nation that should even be given steak knives.
 
L2R Post #83: 1) 'How is the fact that the Iranian people celebrate a major holiday by whipping and stabbing each other relevant to whether or not they should be allowed to possess nuclear weapons?': Most people would probably not need to ask that question. Most sane people would feel that a Government that not only allows such actions bur actively promotes it as well indicates pis* poor judgement and probably a fairly high proclivity towards irrational violence. Poor judgement, a penchant for irrational violent outbursts and nuclear weapons just aren't a great combination.
nonsense. the two are completely unrelated.

2) 'Rachamim had once posted about Jewish customs relating to circumcisions.': Wow, so weird. I mean, one would almost imagine I was Jewish, right?

did you? i really never saw it. i read about that custom elsewhere, actually.

i like this quote. it encompasses your quotation system. that is, put words into others' mouths, and then reply with a convenient quip or more fiction.
 
If you had a crazy neighbor down the street that constantly yelled and chanted "Death to (Insert your name here.)" would you be in favor of allowing that person to own firearms? Better yet, would you give that person firearms?

Not to mention, Iran will give/sell nukes to anti-American terrorists organizations that could then easily be smuggled into the US via ship and then detonated in the port of NY or LA or another large Port city, all while claiming they had nothing to do with it. These are the type of people that have no problem dying while flying airliners into packed skyscrapers filled with innocent Men, Women and Children with the intent of killing as many of them as possible.

Palestinians were celebrating and dancing in the streets after the news of 9/11 broke. Eff them, too.

Iran is claiming they need nukes to power electrical plants - BS. They have enough cheap oil to power their needs for thousand's of years.

The state-run media in Iran lies to their people, fomenting hatred towards the US and Western civilization in general.

I had a college professor, a Computer Science instructor that was Iranian. One of the nicest and funniest guys I've ever met and he would sometimes go off-topic and talk about life in Iran and how oppressive it was and as long as he remembers, he was taught to hate America and was brainwashed thru repetition with "Death to America!" and that all Americans are evil, as are Jews and other Westerner's.

Once he got older, he heard thru others that he was basically living in a jail and that there was a big world out there where you could openly talk of dissent or criticize government and not worry about getting a visit at 4 AM, being dragged out of your bed and home and to be never seen again.

The happiest day of his life was escaping Iran and coming to America and living like a human being and as a free man.

Iran's Human rights record is atrocious. Iran's leadership doesn't care - they believe that in death there is glory and that they will go heaven where 72 virgins await them to cater to all of their whims and fantasies.

These are not rational people we're dealing with and trying to use logic and reason with them would be like trying to use logic and reason with a Bear chasing you in the woods.

They kidnap people from all over the world. Hold them hostage for money or political reasons. Torture them. Kill them. Behead them. Put it on video and show it on the nightly news.

Their leaders are a bunch of backwards, irrational, Anti-American, Anti-Semitic sadistic, crazy bastards.

Hitler was within months, if not weeks of creating enough material for nukes using "heavy water" (deuterium oxide), which was to be used to produce nuclear weapons.

A suicide mission of brave Norwegian Commando's were able to infiltrate and sabotage the well guarded Hydro-Electric plant located high in mountains of occupied Norway where the "heavy water" was being slowly produced, one drop at a time.

Had they failed again as they had in a previous mission, WW2 would have likely had a different outcome. Imagine Hilter with Nukes in 1943/1944

Google "Operation Gunnerside" for the full story of how close Hitler came to acquiring nukes during WW2

Iran with Nukes would be sheer insanity.

Many Iranian's are good people, but they've been told their entire lives that America is the Devil and that it is evil. They have been brainwashed to hate us by their State-run media. Many Iranian's want Democracy, Freedom - many of the same things we take for granted, but if they speak out they end up being dragged out their home in the middle of the night and are never seen again, so they remain silent and "go along with the program"

Either that, or they die.

Iran and Nukes = Insanity.
 
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^when was the last time an iranian official said "death to...(anyone)"?
 
So it seems the US has acknowledged Iran's right to enrich uranium. Iran in exchange agrees to allow the IAEA fetter-free access to its enrichment facilities:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/p...years-ago-if-bush-and-blair-hadnt-blocked-it/

I am not presently sure what the Iron Sheik thinks about this, but his twitter is really funny!

https://twitter.com/the_ironsheik

For the Christmas buy my t shirt http://mf.tt/XxM9h or go fuck yourself forever

fuck the tuesday

follow me on the instagram therealironsheik or take a picture of yourself and go fuck yourself

Fuck you Monday you dumb son of a bitch

@taylorswift13 SHUT THE FUCK UP

MIchael Bolton you are biggest piece of dog shit you look like grasshopper raisin balls go fuck yourself forever you no good jabroni

Christina Aguilera cheeseburger tits
 
Iron-Sheik.jpg


nice moe
 
Israel is looking increasingly shrill and isolated in it's hysteria since the US began its pivot towards Asia
 
Anyone who says no is probably a big fan of world police. I hope you all join the military, no's.

SarcasticOne said:
Who the hell is the iron sheik? And I agree with Iran being "allowed" to enrich uranium, but not for nukes. Obviously.
Is this because you're a racist?
If you had a crazy neighbor down the street that constantly yelled and chanted "Death to (Insert your name here.)" would you be in favor of allowing that person to own firearms? Better yet, would you give that person firearms?

Not to mention, Iran will give/sell nukes to anti-American terrorists organizations that could then easily be smuggled into the US via ship and then detonated in the port of NY or LA or another large Port city, all while claiming they had nothing to do with it. These are the type of people that have no problem dying while flying airliners into packed skyscrapers filled with innocent Men, Women and Children with the intent of killing as many of them as possible.

Palestinians were celebrating and dancing in the streets after the news of 9/11 broke. Eff them, too.

Iran is claiming they need nukes to power electrical plants - BS. They have enough cheap oil to power their needs for thousand's of years.

The state-run media in Iran lies to their people, fomenting hatred towards the US and Western civilization in general.

I had a college professor, a Computer Science instructor that was Iranian. One of the nicest and funniest guys I've ever met and he would sometimes go off-topic and talk about life in Iran and how oppressive it was and as long as he remembers, he was taught to hate America and was brainwashed thru repetition with "Death to America!" and that all Americans are evil, as are Jews and other Westerner's.

Once he got older, he heard thru others that he was basically living in a jail and that there was a big world out there where you could openly talk of dissent or criticize government and not worry about getting a visit at 4 AM, being dragged out of your bed and home and to be never seen again.

The happiest day of his life was escaping Iran and coming to America and living like a human being and as a free man.

Iran's Human rights record is atrocious. Iran's leadership doesn't care - they believe that in death there is glory and that they will go heaven where 72 virgins await them to cater to all of their whims and fantasies.

These are not rational people we're dealing with and trying to use logic and reason with them would be like trying to use logic and reason with a Bear chasing you in the woods.

They kidnap people from all over the world. Hold them hostage for money or political reasons. Torture them. Kill them. Behead them. Put it on video and show it on the nightly news.

Their leaders are a bunch of backwards, irrational, Anti-American, Anti-Semitic sadistic, crazy bastards.

Hitler was within months, if not weeks of creating enough material for nukes using "heavy water" (deuterium oxide), which was to be used to produce nuclear weapons.

A suicide mission of brave Norwegian Commando's were able to infiltrate and sabotage the well guarded Hydro-Electric plant located high in mountains of occupied Norway where the "heavy water" was being slowly produced, one drop at a time.

Had they failed again as they had in a previous mission, WW2 would have likely had a different outcome. Imagine Hilter with Nukes in 1943/1944

Google "Operation Gunnerside" for the full story of how close Hitler came to acquiring nukes during WW2

Iran with Nukes would be sheer insanity.

Many Iranian's are good people, but they've been told their entire lives that America is the Devil and that it is evil. They have been brainwashed to hate us by their State-run media. Many Iranian's want Democracy, Freedom - many of the same things we take for granted, but if they speak out they end up being dragged out their home in the middle of the night and are never seen again, so they remain silent and "go along with the program"

Either that, or they die.

Iran and Nukes = Insanity.

Yeah, keep imagining Iran saying "death to America" or whatever in your head. You're so much of a living example of the power of themes and racism that are applied to the media, it's sad.
 
Well this one is going to be an obvious divided; all the uber lefties that do not think Israel should exist are going to vote yes obviously.

Any country should be allowed to have nuclear weapons. If you think they shouldn't just because they're Arabs (Iran actually means Aryan) then that seems a bit... well.
 
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