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Do You Think Ecstasy Should Be Legalised?

Do you think ecstasy should be legalised?

  • Yes. I believe Ecstasy should be legalised for all purposes.

    Votes: 64 44.1%
  • I think that ecstasy should be legalised for prescription or theraputic use

    Votes: 59 40.7%
  • No, I don't believe ecstasy should be legalised at all.

    Votes: 22 15.2%

  • Total voters
    145
  • Poll closed .
prohibition increases drug abuse, it does not decrease it. In every case (that I've heard of) where a drug has been legalised or decriminalised, the drug use has either stayed the same or actually decreased.



My reply was actually meant half-jokingly, and I agree with most of your statement. Anyone having read anything from ol' Tim Leary would attest to many of your points- the government builds us up to believe that the general population, if given the chance, would not be able to control themselves and would inevitably become out-of-control maniacs who couldn't possibly handle the drugs. In reality, I believe that the government has spent thousands of years moulding us into the kinds of people they would like for a society, and they fear that if we are given the opportunity to explore our own minds, emotions and spirits as individuals that the whole of society would collapse before our very eyes. Thus, they teach us to live in a bubble of security that they help provide for us.

If the general population was educated better about drug use instead of anti-drug messages being pushed down their throats, more people would likely be able to use them responsibly instead of as an uninspired recreational thing.
 
i don't think it would make much a difference if in terms of abuse if mdma was legalized compared to it now. If anything i think it would be less abused because of its wide availability. Think of it like cigarettes and alcohol, two drugs, they are legal, but not everyone consumes them/abuses them. sure there are some people, but that's ultimately their decision whether or not it's legal or not. If MDMA would be regulated by the government I think it would actually be overall safer for the user. as there will not be adulterants that can potentially cause more harm. With the government in control of this fine substance it will eliminate the need for drug dealers, crime, production of mdma in underground labs and what not. In Canada, weed has been decriminalized, its not legal but i don't see everyone running around high on the stuff. its by choice. and thats what mdma is about too. you use it based on your own decision and just because its legal doesn't mean everyones gonna be high all the time. just my 2 cents.
 
and another point. the U.S. spends too much money on the war on drugs. good use of tax dollars. why not just legalize it, so that drugs actually become profitable. its a win win situation.
 
And look at this guy, b4rd: the perfect example of what is wrong about the world's general point of view on drugs. They have no idea what they are talking about, yet feel perfectly entitled to spewing their misinformation, in iturn misinforming others who will feel it's ok for them to spread that attitude around - a horrible cycle of fucking fail. Dude, if you're on these forums at least have the decency to read up on a subject before you write something about it. It's blatantly obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.

Concurred, no therapeutic use for MDMA b4rd? Either you've never done MDMA, you are not ready to integrate this experience, or your "ecstasy" pills were nothing but meth which allows you to talk for hours without any real connection. There are so many scientific studies showing the therapeutic uses for MDMA. I question wther b4rd nows wthat therapeutic means, or simply has never done actual pure MDMA. Or if he has, he is of the minority speaking from subjective experience and should not try to present his thoughts as even remotely close to objective facts.
 
bad idea

if it was made legal it would lose it's magic.
 
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I think it should be legalised, along with every other drug.

We should have the right to choose what we consume, even if it is harmful.
 
bad idea

if it was made legal it would lose it's magic.

I have no idea what you mean by magic exactly. Are you implying that the fact that it is illegal makes rolling better somehow? That's preposterous. The effects on the brain remain exactly the same. If anything, its regulation upon legalisation would make it higher quality which means better effects.

If you're implying it would lose its "magic" because people would abuse it then that's another point completely and it has been addressed already. Money used in the war against drugs could be used to educate people so that abuse would be much less than it is now. The abuse of most drugs happen because of a lack of education and reliable information.

Once again, prohibition does not decrease drug use; it decreases the quality of the drug and increases crime rates. Legalisation does not increase drug use; it either decreases or is maintained at the same percentage. There are many instances in which this has been observed in the recent past (Netherlands, Portugal, etc).
 
Absolutely not. If you are willing to legalize something so leathal and also fairly additictive, then why not also legalize Cocaine and Heroine. Thareputical use??!?! Just because extasy makes you feel good, does not make it thareoutical...

I have personally seen many people destroy their lives because of this drug and the way it can psychologically change their thinking/way of life.

I am not against this drug one bit, but it is illegal because it's something that needs to be monitored and used with caution. If it's something that can be easily accessed, then people might think it's alright to use all the time. Which even my brain can tell you, that is NOT a good idea. Definitely does not leave you the brightest crayon in the box. Children might even use it.. like children ages 11 -13, remember when your first drink was!?! Probably WAAYY before your first pill of E, and that's becuase it's illegal =)
 
Absolutely not. If you are willing to legalize something so leathal and also fairly additictive, then why not also legalize Cocaine and Heroine.

Suggesting MDMA is relatively as lethal and addictive as cocaine or heroin scares me as to how misinformed some people are about MDMA! What is meant by legalizing ecstasy is legalizing specifically MDMA, which is not a lethal or addictive drug. MDMA loses its magic if taken even more than once every 3 months for some people, therefore most people who use actual MDMA do not use it very often. MDMA is not physically addictive. People have rarely died from MDMA alone. Out of the miniscule percentage of MDMA users that have died, almost all have died not directly from MDMA, but only when mixing MDMA with other medications. The vast majority of people that have died from ecstasy have died from a chemical other than MDMA, most notably PMA being sold as ecstasy. The problem is because MDMA is not legal, ecstasy pills containing extremely lethal drugs like PMA are commonly sold as ecstasy. This is why MDMA must be legalised. MDMA is not lethal or addictive as you suggest, but chemicals other than MDMA that are commonly sold as ecstasy are lethal and addictive.

Suggesting that if MDMA were to be legalised than cocaine and heroin could also be justifiably legalised is INSANE. MDMA is arguably less toxic than alcohol and is hardly addictive, unlike alcohol which is physically addictive, and not nearly as lethal as alcohol which leads to alcohol poisoning or death from alcohol withdrawal. MDMA is in many people's opinion less harmful than alcohol, and alcohol is less harmful than cocaine or heroin. Heroin is undefinably more harmful than MDMA! Your suggestion is completely ludicrous! Alcohol being legal is more of an argument for legalising cocaine and heroin than legalising MDMA being an argument for legalising cocaine and heroin. Ecstasy must be legalised because of other drugs such as PMA and methamphetamine being sold in pills as "ecstasy."

Methamphetamine is lethal and addictive, and the problem with ecstasy being illegal is often ecstasy pills contain little to no MDMA and are mainly comprised of methamphetamine or even worse drugs. This is why people want MDMA to be legal. Unfortunately it is hard to consider MDMA and ecstasy to be the same thing, so this thread title would be more accurate if it was "Do You Think MDMA Should Be Legalised?

Thareputical use??!?! Just because extasy makes you feel good, does not make it thareoutical...

MDMA has been used therapeutically for marriage counseling, post traumatic stress disorder, in family sessions with a terminally ill family member to ease the fear of death, and individuals that have used it recreationally have felt therapeutic lasting bonds with loved ones and friends after using MDMA. There are many scientific studies that have shown great success in the therapeutic use of MDMA. If you would like to be more informed I would suggest taking a look at:

http://www.maps.org/mdma/

I have personally seen many people destroy their lives because of this drug and the way it can psychologically change their thinking/way of life.

This sounds a lot more like alcohol or methamphetamine than MDMA. If abused MDMA could destroy lives, but I'd suggest whichever friends destroyed their lives from being addicted to "ecstasy" were taking a pill that contained a highly toxic and addictive chemical such as methamphetamine.

I am not against this drug one bit, but it is illegal because it's something that needs to be monitored and used with caution.

Why would MDMA be illegal because in your opinion it is something that needs to be monitored? That makes no sense. If it were legal and regulated it would be monitored! Illegal ecstasy pills have no monitoring, cautions or warnings. To suggest they're illegal because they need to be monitored and used with caution does not make any sense to me.

If it's something that can be easily accessed, then people might think it's alright to use all the time. Which even my brain can tell you, that is NOT a good idea. Definitely does not leave you the brightest crayon in the box. Children might even use it.. like children ages 11 -13, remember when your first drink was!?! Probably WAAYY before your first pill of E, and that's becuase it's illegal =)

Legalisation and regulation with age restrictions is the only way to reduce harm. If 11-13 year olds are drinking alcohol, than there is an unfortunate possibility they may take MDMA if it were legal. They could also take it if it were illegal as an illegal dealer is more likely to sell a kid MDMA than a legitimate supplier. At least if it were legal, kids would be taking a drug that it monitored and regulated, rather than risking taking some random pill with random chemicals because it is illegal and not monitored. It's up to parents to keep drugs locked away from their children, that's why many parents put locks on their liquor cabinet. It has already been suggested that MDMA is not as harmful as alcohol, so if a 11-13 year old did get their hands on pure legal and regulated MDMA, they would be better off than taking a random pill from some dealer and they would be better off than the puking and passing out young kids that sometimes die from alcohol poisoning after drinking their parents hard liquor.
 
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I have personally seen many people destroy their lives because of this drug and the way it can psychologically change their thinking/way of life.

tripqueen, Im interested to learn more from you about this statement.

How did mdma destroy these peoples lives and change there thinking?
 
Absolutely not. If you are willing to legalize something so leathal and also fairly additictive, then why not also legalize Cocaine and Heroine. Thareputical use??!?! Just because extasy makes you feel good, does not make it thareoutical...

I have personally seen many people destroy their lives because of this drug and the way it can psychologically change their thinking/way of life.

I am not against this drug one bit, but it is illegal because it's something that needs to be monitored and used with caution. If it's something that can be easily accessed, then people might think it's alright to use all the time. Which even my brain can tell you, that is NOT a good idea. Definitely does not leave you the brightest crayon in the box. Children might even use it.. like children ages 11 -13, remember when your first drink was!?! Probably WAAYY before your first pill of E, and that's becuase it's illegal =)

Wow, when I read your post I was already formulating a lengthy response in my head to each of her claims but it seems love_sex_desire did a great job of stomping your crap into the ground. You're entitled to an opinion, for sure, but you seem to be basing them on false preconceptions.

Seriously, educate yourself before making misinformed opinions on a subject you do NOT understand. I apologise if I come off as aggressive but people that feel entitled to an opinion on a subject they haven't even bothered to research is disturbing, to say the least, because it tends to spread that misinformation.
 
Well to be honest, you might as well go ahead and legalize cocaine and heroin as well.
The criminalization of heroin just resulted in more crime, more heroin deaths, and is still a vector of the HIV pandemic.
 
I believe yes under similar restrictions as alcohol and tobacco.

Not so much to quote myself as to add to it after some thought and reading I believe all narcotics should be legal with age restriction. My reasoning is that if it's legal it's not as appealing to most people, think of smoking or drinking as a young teen you wanted to do it cause it was bad and that made it cool now apply that logic to narcotics and you see a similarity. Also as has been mentioned SEVERAL times is crime, in Hawaii crystal methamphetamine is a HUGE problem and the crime that goes with it is even worse murders over turf and to get it lab explosions cause some amateur chemist fucked up and all the money the cops spend to enforce this and OUR tax money to put addicts(who really need treatment) in prison, same for ALL illegal drugs cut out the warlord or gang bangers make it corprate and tax and regulate it like cigs and beer. Me and a member of the church I went to agreed on this that this "WAR ON DRUGS" is a losing fight that just costs us more tax money. Make it legal and let people decide what to do for them selves prohibition just does not work that's why they repealed the prohibition act of the 20's in the US. Some people are bound to make the wrong decision and become addicted look at alcohol, tobbaco and even perscition drugs.
 
i stand by legalization as seen in my previous post in this thread.


I was talking to this lady at work the other day. I asked her if she would legalize drugs. She said no and i asked her to explain herself.

Her reasoning was; People would be running around going crazy killing everyone and stealing for drugs.

I started going into my huge legalize drugs speech and she totally changed her mind.

THERE IS *NO* GOOD REASON TO KEEP DRUGS ILLEGAL! NONE



Its a fucking joke. Its a waste of money (trillions of dollars). When we could legalize and enjoy countless good reasons of why we legalized!
 
Whether or not to legalize anything drug wise is a long task. The first step is similar to mexicos policy. Eliminate the criminalization of possession of most substances.

Possession of more than the following IMO

Ecstasy = 3 pills or .2 g molly
Cannabis = 1/4 ounce
Acid = 2 hits

All other drugs maintain current illegality IMO because of physical addiction but we should maintain the Netherlands policy on them.
 
yeah it will be a long task. You still have your drug uneducated people that think the world will burst into flames if drugs are made legal.

It would have to be taken slow.

But we haven't even started! The drug war is dragging this country down.....well all countries that stand by it.
 
Nah it's already started. Look at the number of states that have legalized medical marijuana. Look at MAPS which is almost solely leading the charge in MDMA rescheduling.

You might never get the level of legalization that you desire but trust me it's on a path towards some of it having an acceptable level of usage.
 
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