do you still get a lot of insight from tripping

[BenzosBudOrBooty]

the first few times i tripped....i thought about a lot of shit. saw the world differently than i ever saw it before. and then i had a bad trip and it completely put my world upside. it felt like i was re-born and i had to re-learn life from all new prospectives. like everything was new. it made life very difficult for a while but i believe i've come out a better human being because of it...in a lot of ways. now when i take psychadelics it doesn't take me to that extreme new insight that i got from the first few times i took acid, i still become very philosophical and think way differently than sobriety, but it's just not the same. i don't "learn" as much anymore. so i ask you, have you noticed a drop in the way your thinking changes about the universe after doing psychadelics a bunch of times? it's not the same as those first 10 maybe 15 times you've tripped (maybe even more, if you didn't have the type of experience that i had). thanks for your input.

 

[Le'Mix]

Yes, yes I do. I think a few trips a year can be very healthy for your mind.

Especially shrooms.

But I must admit the body buzz off Acid is something else.8( :D

 

[hypnagogic]

Try tripping in different settings and situations. Experimenting with different compounds may be beneficial too if you've only focused on a few classics. I found my trips to become stale and completely lacking of anything you could call insightful or spiritual when I was only taking psychedelics at music festivals, for example. I started taking them at home with my girlfriend and out in nature and have found completely new elements to the psychedelic experience I never would have picked up on in other trips where I was alone in my room or at a rave.

If none of that works it may just be time for a longer break. I would say most people go through enough changes in their lives over a year or two for a new trip to force them to consider something they hadn't in the past.

 

[BenzosBudOrBooty]

Try tripping in different settings and situations. Experimenting with different compounds may be beneficial too if you've only focused on a few classics. I found my trips to become stale and completely lacking of anything you could call insightful or spiritual when I was only taking psychedelics at music festivals, for example. I started taking them at home with my girlfriend and out in nature and have found completely new elements to the psychedelic experience I never would have picked up on in other trips where I was alone in my room or at a rave.

If none of that works it may just be time for a longer break. I would say most people go through enough changes in their lives over a year or two for a new trip to force them to consider something they hadn't in the past.

thanks for your post. i will definitely try this. usually i just trip in the same room but next time i'll try it in nature. i've been meaning to do this but haven't. and yeah, I only do shrooms and acid. i'm scared to try DMT, and mescaline is a wee bit expensive from what i've seen, but i can get it. i'll also explore other even lesser used psychadelics. i need a break though from all psychadelics as i definitely believe they're better in moderation more so true than for any other type of drugs.

 

[Blakehaze]

go watch the sun rise in the middle of a field
I dont do acid much anymore and when i did, i overdid it. the first dozen trips or so were amazing. completely changed my view on things. opened my mind.
they then became not what they used to be. depending on setting and company, a handful were fantastic. the others became very mental trips rather than visual(not that the quality dropped, i think i developed a relatively high tolerance)
im yet to drop again, but when i do ill be somewere with nature. i always found being around trees and plantlife when tripping the best.

 

[BenzosBudOrBooty]

go watch the sun rise in the middle of a field
I dont do acid much anymore and when i did, i overdid it. the first dozen trips or so were amazing. completely changed my view on things. opened my mind.
they then became not what they used to be. depending on setting and company, a handful were fantastic. the others became very mental trips rather than visual(not that the quality dropped, i think i developed a relatively high tolerance)
im yet to drop again, but when i do ill be somewere with nature. i always found being around trees and plantlife when tripping the best.

i do notice them being a little less visual than they used to be. i felt they would take me to a whole different dimension, but now i kind of think it just puts a filter on my vision, making things trippy...no longer taking me to that other world i used to feel it did. i think they were always pretty mental....not as much as shrooms are, but i always thought a lot on the comedown especially. the body high is still great. the body high is great but i almost would rather smoke weed if i were to taking drugs for a body high, because you know acid is going to keep me awake for a while and whatnot. next time i do psychadelics it will probably be shrooms. il probably do acid again, just might be a while.

 

[Blakehaze]

yeah im gonna wait for a three day music festival in december.
shrooms never really did much for me, i guess because i was doing a lot of acid they seemed like very mild trips.
i dunno. i think my tripping days are coming to an end unfortunately.
just give it a break for a long while and see how you go.
good luck
stay safe

 

[SoonAJunkie]

The most I trip the better,seriously.I have smoked 2000mg dmt in apx 3 months which is a lot
Now I can induce LSD visuald while sober
I dont know if I am getting schizophrenia or spiritual powers

 

[hypnagogic]

i'm scared to try DMT, and mescaline is a wee bit expensive from what i've seen, but i can get it.

The very idea of breaking through to hyperspace may sound intimidating, but I've found DMT to be highly insightful even at times when other psychedelics were not quite cutting it. If you can become comfortable with the idea of surrendering to the intense experience you may find exactly what you're looking for.

 

[kingme]

once can have insights sober as well. it is all in your mind in the end....

i dont think its fair to be looking at psychedelics not working or doing their thing right when not gaining any insight / revelations. i think the trip experience is at least in part dependant on ones own life happenings. i rember reading somewhere the "defragmentation of HDD" analogy of how psychedelics work, like thy re-arrange your thoughts and make things more efficient or just plain different. the same analogy might explain how after tripping too long or too often might just not be as much fun or interesting. if you defragment your HDD every other day its going to be a damn short proces and not much difference in performance.

ah well, im rambling a bit. point is, i feel that one has to gian new experiences, new thoughts and idea, grow in order for psychedelics to have the resources to produce fresh perspectives and give profound insight into new situations.

 

[atara]

I think it's easy for entheogen users to fall into the trap that every question can be answered by a good trip. If psychedelics helped you get over your parents' separation, maybe they could also make you focus more at work? But that's not always true.

There are always going to be parts of life that tripping doesn't help with. You can learn some things, but certainly not everything, not even close, from psychedelics. I think this is what's happening when people say that tripping has become unfulfilling. They expect it to solve a problem it was never really meant to solve.

For some parts of life you have to be sober, one way or the other. Accepting this is essential to using psychedelics in a way that doesn't interfere with your life.

 

[laCster]

^ good post


whenever i trip, i get some good insight and epiphanies, but when i sober up, the shit i come up with in my head never makes any sense. i usually trip because it is fun, something out of the ordinary. it brings me closer to the earth feeling that everything is one, and it brings me closer to another person if i trip with them. i think atara makes a good point, drugs dont solve problems, at all. i have learned this the hard way.

you can say you trip for the insight and knowledge you gain, but that is bulllshit IMO. you and i trip because we like the feeling produced by psychedelic chemicals, everything about insight is a rationalization to take drugs. there is nothing wrong about loving drugs, but saying that it solves problems is false, it might give you a new perspective, but that's it.

 

[Thomas Davie]

I'm not sure I ever got insight from tripping; but it has always allowed me reflection on what/who I am and how I've treated/interacted with people. It definitely allows me a different perspective on what I've done over the last week (yeah I'm tripping about once a week).

Mushrooms (and to a lesser extent 4-AcO-DMT) also provide something that I've utterly lacked since graduating; a sense of wonder about life and the world. I've become so fucking jaded about reality because all I do (at work) is analyze, hypothesize and experiment. Tripping allows me to retain a sense or part of myself that I thought died long ago; the ability to be amazed at the world.

In essence, an anti depressant that does not zone me out.

Tom

 

[ComfortablyNumb95]

I think it's easy for entheogen users to fall into the trap that every question can be answered by a good trip. If psychedelics helped you get over your parents' separation, maybe they could also make you focus more at work? But that's not always true.

There are always going to be parts of life that tripping doesn't help with. You can learn some things, but certainly not everything, not even close, from psychedelics. I think this is what's happening when people say that tripping has become unfulfilling. They expect it to solve a problem it was never really meant to solve.

For some parts of life you have to be sober, one way or the other. Accepting this is essential to using psychedelics in a way that doesn't interfere with your life.

Very very true.

 

[hypnagogic]

you can say you trip for the insight and knowledge you gain, but that is bulllshit IMO. you and i trip because we like the feeling produced by psychedelic chemicals, everything about insight is a rationalization to take drugs. there is nothing wrong about loving drugs, but saying that it solves problems is false, it might give you a new perspective, but that's it.

That new perspective is one of the most beneficial parts of the psychedelic experience, in my opinion. There have been times in my life where I've been really caught up in personal issues and have had a hard time looking at the scenario from a more objective viewpoint. During these times psychedelics have often (but not always) helped me work through the problems. I wouldn't say these trips spark an automatic transformation in my mood by any means. It's important to integrate the realizations made while tripping into your sober life if they're to be beneficial. So no, psychedelic drugs do not solve problems but they certainly make useful tools for some people to assist in solving problems.

Of course, most people who trip for reasons of obtaining insight and new perspectives will also trip on other occasions just for fun. And I've certainly met plenty of people who have never seen tripping as anything but a good time. But I wouldn't rule out the possibility that some people take them just to help with their personal development and life, enjoying the euphoria produced on the side.

 

[pofacedhoe]

psychedelics make you more open minded. you cant re-open mindedness yourself once its already been done.

the end.

only joking. but seriously mushrooms helped me get my wasp phobia under control and realise the nature of the universe but i'm not going to learn from them now what i once did because i haven't forgotten the biggest epiphanies, its just nice to revise the deep spiritual edge once in a while...

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

I've only had maybe one insightful trip from all psychedelics I've tried except for dmt.
And with dmt I have only broken through once but that was the most insightful trip, it was like as soon as I fell out of hyperspace I was in a state of mind where I could see how selfish my actions were during my depression, and how much I had hurt my friends through it all.
I still fight with depression and occasionally forget the advice I had learned from this trip, however that trip was the first time id realized how selfish and horrible I had been to those that cared about me, and it did help me make progress.

 

[J_has_L]

I have noticed my trips getting more plain, and less insightful. Basically ive came to the conclusion that im doing to much, and i should prolly take a break altogether. You will find insight through moderation in everything you do. If you find your trips are less fufilling and more like you're just getting fucked up then take a break.

However, on my last trip i had an overwhelming sensation of being content with myself, my situation, my state of mind, and my present experience overall. I think thats the best advice ive had in a while. Be content without being fucked up, and stop expecting more when what i already have is something i have every right to be pleased with.