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Do you respect the people that are politically opposite of you?

Respect people politically opposite of me???

World population, 7.2 billion.

Number I've met....no fucking idea. But quite a few spread over 40 countries.

Number I respect - regardless of political affiliation - about 10.

Number I show respect to IRL when meeting them in 'normal' situation - all of them.

Paradoxical? Work it out yourself.

Just don't expect me to have respect for fascists/white supremacists etc. "I have in my hand a piece of paper". My country had a PM who tried that. Check out where that got him.
 
alasdairm said:
perpetuating 'bitter partisan hate' - the very thing you claim to decry - by insulting people and calling them names repeatedly e.g.

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my point is that your o.p. comes off as cynical and insincere when you're saying two quite different things - one here and the other with your long posting history. if you sincerely wished to stop perpetuating 'bitter partisan hate' then you'd start with yourself and stop calling people 'cuck', 'sjw', 'you liberals' etc.

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alasdair
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Well those terms are just reactionary of the constant accusations of every ism and ist under the sun. I mean what I say in the op, if you can't handle that then idk what to say.
 
Droppersneck said:
I mean what I say in the op, if you can't handle that then idk what to say.
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i can handle it fine, droppers.

i am just demonstrating to the forum that your history clearly demonstrates that you actually don't mean what you say. if you can't handle that then we can agree to disagree.

alasdair
 
If this is your olive branch, what was your gun thread dude? That seemed like provocative gloating.

If you want less adversarial posting, you'd "be the change" pun quote intended. ;)
 
Droppersneck said:
it's all about tolerance and understanding, but I will say talking religion and politics with family is typically bad news.

You're a moderator and you are clearly intoxicated, trolling my thread in the only forum I post in. This isn't social this is ce&p have a little respect for the difference :\
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I am of the opposite opinion to you so please respect my views
 
Droppersneck said:
It's hard to blame you for getting upset about that kind of deplorable stuff. There are some pretty delusional people here who have some pretty whacko ideas, but I don't think being blinded from the full spectrum of thought will help you in the long run. There should even be a place for people to talk about eugenics and their beliefs in white supremacy so we can see it and condemn it.
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Wait, weren't you just bitching about a certain former mod getting reprimanded for closing what you called a "pedophile thread"? But now you're contradicting yourself, saying that there should be a place to discuss such deplorable ideas so we can condemn them. So you're siding with ali now against your buddy?
 
Cream Gravy? said:
The idea behind this thread supposedly is respect and understanding, so please take this in jest...

Somebody's not getting laid 8)
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Actually the idea behind this thread was a question posed to other users.. "Do you respect..". What was it about my posts that rubbed you up the wrong way that you felt it necessary to try and make it personal?

Cream Gravy? said:
In all sincerity though, the more time I spend with my far left girlfriend, the more I realize that a centrist attitude is necessary to heal the gaping wounds this world is experiencing. No one's asking you to turn gay or become a woman, just to understand that 60% of the world is female and that a minority rule is awfully similar to apartheid.
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There was nothing in my ideas that signaled oppressing either sex, actually it was more in parallel with what I think you're referring to with "centrist", however my point of disagreement with that is that I believe we do need a swing to the right to get us out of the entrenched far-left ideals that currently shape our culture and values. Inevitably the pendulum will probably swing too far, hence why everyone is so hesitant and opposed to change, and 'right-wing' has become a dirty word. Alas, it seems our politics mirrors the inherent binary nature of our own thinking apparatus - we seem unable to find that central point and swing wildly from one end to the other.
 
^I'm sorry if you felt that was personal. It wasn't intended as such, hence the "I hope you take this in jest".

I think that you're overstating the extent of how far 'left' our country and world has gone (I'm in America not sure about UK). Sure there's some 20 year olds in college who can't stand talking about rape and the holocaust, which is just as bad as denying those things happened, and is a symptom, yes, of how far left some people are indeed going; however, I think that insisting the world needs hyper-masculinity to function is a bit of a stretch. Personally as a straight male I'm disgusted by the current 'masculine' back lash, because honestly it doesn't come across as masculine to me at all, rather the reaction of a scared little child.

I really didn't intend it to come across as personal so I hope you can forgive the mix up in communications; after all, it's really hard to actually read the emotion behind text when there's no voice to give it context.
 
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get us out of the entrenched far-left ideals that currently shape our culture and values.
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Specifically to which "far left ideals" are you referring? Elaborate please so we can discuss what you think is going wrong with society, and how you think it should be fixed.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
^I'm sorry if you felt that was personal. It wasn't intended as such, hence the "I hope you take this in jest".

I think that you're overstating the extent of how far 'left' our country and world has gone (I'm in America not sure about UK). Sure there's some 20 year olds in college who can't stand talking about rape and the holocaust, which is just as bad as denying those things happened, and is a symptom, yes, of how far left some people are indeed going; however, I think that insisting the world needs hyper-masculinity to function is a bit of a stretch. Personally as a straight male I'm disgusted by the current 'masculine' back lash, because honestly it doesn't come across as masculine to me at all, rather the reaction of a scared little child.

I really didn't intend it to come across as personal so I hope you can forgive the mix up in communications; after all, it's really hard to actually read the emotion behind text when there's no voice to give it context.
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OK no worries.. my natural reaction was to assume it wasn't in jest - I presumed one would attack what I wrote rather make a personal dig. Never mind :)

We don't need hyper-masculinity for sure, and I'll also agree the masculine backlash conveys an air of childishness at times, however I think it is wise to consider that whilst many of those who would fit under that description aren't necessarily the sharpest tools in the draw they may actually have a point, even if they can't articulate it or can only express it through utter hatred at an extreme end of the spectrum. For example, I do contend that we (UK and USA, though UK more) have a serious problem with immigration.. but we can't have a genuine dialogue about it without accusations of being racist, xenophobic, ring-wing coming into the equation. It's like the Germans who are so afraid of their own past that they are reduced into a state of paralysis when their leader Merkel enacted what can only be described as a policy of national suicide (re: migrants).

tathra said:
Specifically to which "far left ideals" are you referring? Elaborate please so we can discuss what you think is going wrong with society, and how you think it should be fixed.
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One which is relevant to what I just mentioned to Cream Gravy? is 'political correctness'.
 
As someone who lives near the Mexican border in a city with over half the population being from at least a latin American country, I can't say it bothers me that Mexicans come here and mow our lawns, make great food, traffic over some great drugs, and work the jobs none of us middle class white people would ever consider taking. I understand saying no more refugees because our country is burgeoning with all sorts of issues on top of that already, and our infrastructure can't support it; but I could not care less to spend billions on a wall between us and Mexico. I love Mexicans and we're literally living on land that used to belong to them... It's awfully hypocritical to say they're not allowed to live here. But then again, that's American logic.
 
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One which is relevant to what I just mentioned to Cream Gravy? is 'political correctness'.
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On this I would agree with you completely SS. We are so concerned with how offensive someone else might be toward a third party we are making rules about it. We have to learn how to get over being hurt by people who are thoughtless, not make rules for people who are unable to grasp the concept.

Nothing helps like being on the receiving end of the words labeled offensive. It's really not very offensive when you realize who is saying it, sometimes they have been offended themselves and they are just lashing back. The problem really is it triggers some people so out of common decency we avoid things we know are triggers. When we try and make it a rule, IMO, It becomes like religion and the reason gets lost in the format. Being PC can be a personal goal, it cannot be a visible goal in society creating rules. People who cannot grasp the concept cannot be legislated/shamed/bullied into understanding.
 
You sure about that? I got a vibe of doisapointmemt from you when you perceived me to have voted for Trump (which I didn't) and coupled with your instance to call Trump supporters facists. Is this said with true intellectual honesty tath?

tathra said:
I don't care what somebody's political beliefs are so long as they're rational and willing to debate in good faith or not at all. I have zero respect for irrational nutjobs lost in tribalism who exclusively use sophistry and only act in bad faith no matter what their views are.
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I think it's hard for any of us to be unbiased in a time when almost all political beliefs are becoming religion and doctrine rather than secular.

Especially since a great many feel that their way of life is under attack.

Hell as much as I hate Mr. Trump, he hasn't done anything yet that directly effects me, and I doubt he ever will. I've been a criminal for 6 years, it really wouldn't bother me to continue being a criminal my entire life.
 
morninggloryseed said:
You sure about that? I got a vibe of doisapointmemt from you when you perceived me to have voted for Trump (which I didn't) and coupled with your instance to call Trump supporters facists. Is this said with true intellectual honesty tath?
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Every trump supporter I've tried to debate with has only been interested in "winning" rather than having a debate and only acted in bad faith. That's why i felt disappointed, cuz i was sure you were better than that. It had nothing to do with who you voted for - i thought of several valid reasons to vote for Trump - and more to do with hoping you weren't like the trump supporters I've talked with over the past 6 months.
 
Interesting. How about the use of the word facist to describe trumpsters because, as you said (and i paraphrase) if you support a facist you are a facist. In this case, i can assume facist must be a term of endearment? ☺

tathra said:
Every trump supporter I've tried to debate with has only been interested in "winning" rather than having a debate and only acted in bad faith. That's why i felt disappointed, cuz i was sure you were better than that. It had nothing to do with who you voted for - i thought of several valid reasons to vote for Trump - and more to do with hoping you weren't like the trump supporters I've talked with over the past 6 months.
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