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Do you or anyone you know seem heavily addicted to Marijuana?

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I am going to be open minded here, but exactly what kind of WDs do they experience if they dont smoke?

I wont say its theoretically impossible, but I have never really met anyone who cant sporadically go days without smoking without noticing or without having serious WDs.
 
to all thos who say there is no physical addiction, they are wrong. Your body will react to lack of a chemical that it has become used to.
I am addicted. PHYSICALLY.

when i stop smoking i cant eat, sleep, or control my body temp; i'm either cold or sweating with clammy/sweaty hands.
its subsides after about 3 days but it is clearly from my body being used to having THC present at all times.

Its not like its really horrible in any way, its just kind of an inconvenience/mild discomfort like a mild fever and lack of appetite.

I experience the same effects.
 
ORLY?



http://hubpages.com/hub/Binge-Gaming-Signs-Stats-Treatment


Video game addiction is more common than heroin addiction....but I still reject that definition, because without dependence or cravings I see no reason to distinguish it from being 'habit forming'.

That is dicey AT BEST. The guidelines FOR SUBSTANCE DEPENDENCE (which they do not appear to be using) were written for adults and would look very different in children. A major part of the diagnostic criteria is unfulfilling major life roles that children do not yet possess.

Basically, calling that addiction in the absence of utilizing formal diagnostic criteria which CAN'T even apply means the figure is useless because its not using definitions and parameters that are the same as other studies done on addiction rates. So they are claiming this is "addiction" while using different criteria than other studies done on addiction.

But I'll give you one thing, my friend, this thread has shown me how advanced your cherry picking skills are ;)
 
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I am going to be open minded here, but exactly what kind of WDs do they experience if they dont smoke?

I wont say its theoretically impossible, but I have never really met anyone who cant sporadically go days without smoking without noticing or without having serious WDs.

This is something I quoted earlier (from the wikipedia cannabis dependence page)

There is some evidence that dependence on cannabis can exist in some heavy users. One study with 500 heavy users of cannabis showed that when trying to cease consumption, some experience one or more symptoms such as insomnia, restlessness, loss of appetite, depression, irritability, and anger.

There is no consensus on if a real physical abstinence syndrome actually exists and even among those who claim it does; their evidence, criteria, symptoms, time-frames and other information on such seem poorly defined to put it politely.

I don't doubt that some very heavy long-term smokers can have some physical symptoms upon cessation but I think they are most likely somatic in nature (psychological withdrawal producing physical symptoms) because they are rather vague and unquantifiable in nature.

I think most in the medical and treatment worlds view cannabis' propensity for physical dependence as lower than caffeine's so that should say something.
 
I'll admit, I didn't read the whole thread, just the first and last page, but I agree with most of what I read. While not physically addictive, it can definitely be psychologically addictive. It was never really my thing. I smoked heavily for a few months and got burned out on it. My roommate on the other hand, gets all antsy and stuff when he goes a few days without it. He spends most of his money on smoke and cigarettes.
 
I have trouble sleeping normally, since I was young. I am a light sleeper, am restless, and have exceptional hearing.....not a good combo for sleep. I have always been able to hear through (thick) walls, so every sound keeps me awake.

I sleep better when I smoke weed. If I stop smoking and I notice that I dont sleep as easily, does not mean I am having WDs, or does it mean that I am sleeping more or less normally only without being drugged to sleep?
 
^No, obviously that means the therapeutic effect you derived from cannabis use only occurs when you use it. That is not withdrawal at all.

I have chronic pain and in the past used opioids therapeutically for years. If I stopped, obviously I'd have more pain but that wasn't a withdrawal symptom... the lacrimation, rhinorrhea, pandiculation, restlessness, etc. were symptoms of W/D.
 
From my personal experience I don't really believe weed is addictive, I also don't agree with how freely the word addiction is used. These days it seems like you can be addicted to anything. If a substance hasn't affected your life in a negative way, you don't have withdrawal symptoms, and you don't find a need to frequently increase the dosage, you're not addicted. Marijuana use could be considered a habituation, but in my opinion it does not represent an addiction.

The WHO and other agencies have changed the definition of addiction over the years. In 1957 WHO report they made a distinction between habituation and addiction. In the following years they created one concept and labeled it dependence.

I would agree with the 1957 report regarding the distinction between the two:

The 1957 World Health Organization (WHO) Expert Committee on Addiction-Producing Drugs defined addiction and habituation as components of drug abuse:

Drug addiction is a state of periodic or chronic intoxication produced by the repeated consumption of a drug (natural or synthetic). Its characteristics include: (i) an overpowering desire or need (compulsion) to continue taking the drug and to obtain it by any means; (ii) a tendency to increase the dose; (iii) a psychic (psychological) and generally a physical dependence on the effects of the drug; and (iv) detrimental effects on the individual and on society.

Drug habituation (habit) is a condition resulting from the repeated consumption of a drug. Its characteristics include (i) a desire (but not a compulsion) to continue taking the drug for the sense of improved well-being which it engenders; (ii) little or no tendency to increase the dose; (iii) some degree of psychic dependence on the effect of the drug, but absence of physical dependence and hence of an abstinence syndrome [withdrawal], and (iv) detrimental effects, if any, primarily on the individual.

Marijuana at least in my mind is definitely a habituation, but is in no means an addiction.

For some people weed can have a negative impact on their life, b/c instead of being motivated to go do the things they need to do, they instead prefer to sit on their couch and get blazed. But, IMHO it is really up to the individual to decide if weed will affect their life, and for most people weed does more good than harm.

Lately I've been smoking about a gram or two a week (a bowl a day), which is a lot for me but I also have Crohn's disease and marijuana is the only thing that helps me. When my Crohn's flares up (like it has this month b/c of stress in my life) I smoke more, and when it's in remission I usually go back to just smoking on the weekends. I would smoke more often if I could, but I know that I can't afford it and I'm not going to use money I don't have just to buy weed. In contrast I'm sure someone who smokes crack cocaine, or does meth would probably be willing to do whatever it took to get their fix.

I also smoke cigarettes,when I've tried to quit them for long periods of time I've failed b/c I don't feel like myself without them, and am a complete wreck mentally and physically. When I've quit weed for long periods of time, I've missed it, but I've never felt like I wasn't myself without it, and haven't had any withdrawal symptoms.
 
From my personal experience I don't really believe weed is addictive, I also don't agree with how freely the word addiction is used. These days it seems like you can be addicted to anything. If a substance hasn't affected your life in a negative way, you don't have withdrawal symptoms, and you don't find a need to frequently increase the dosage, you're not addicted. Marijuana use could be considered a habituation, but in my opinion it does not represent an addiction.

The WHO and other agencies have changed the definition of addiction over the years. In 1957 WHO report they made a distinction between habituation and addiction. In the following years they created one concept and labeled it dependence.

I would agree with the 1957 report regarding the distinction between the two:

The 1957 World Health Organization (WHO) Expert Committee on Addiction-Producing Drugs defined addiction and habituation as components of drug abuse:

Drug addiction is a state of periodic or chronic intoxication produced by the repeated consumption of a drug (natural or synthetic). Its characteristics include: (i) an overpowering desire or need (compulsion) to continue taking the drug and to obtain it by any means; (ii) a tendency to increase the dose; (iii) a psychic (psychological) and generally a physical dependence on the effects of the drug; and (iv) detrimental effects on the individual and on society.

Drug habituation (habit) is a condition resulting from the repeated consumption of a drug. Its characteristics include (i) a desire (but not a compulsion) to continue taking the drug for the sense of improved well-being which it engenders; (ii) little or no tendency to increase the dose; (iii) some degree of psychic dependence on the effect of the drug, but absence of physical dependence and hence of an abstinence syndrome [withdrawal], and (iv) detrimental effects, if any, primarily on the individual.

Marijuana at least in my mind is definitely a habituation, but is in no means an addiction.

For some people weed can have a negative impact on their life, b/c instead of being motivated to go do the things they need to do, they instead prefer to sit on their couch and get blazed. But, IMHO it is really up to the individual to decide if weed will affect their life, and for most people weed does more good than harm.

Lately I've been smoking about a gram or two a week (a bowl a day), which is a lot for me but I also have Crohn's disease and marijuana is the only thing that helps me. When my Crohn's flares up (like it has this month b/c of stress in my life) I smoke more, and when it's in remission I usually go back to just smoking on the weekends. I would smoke more often if I could, but I know that I can't afford it and I'm not going to use money I don't have just to buy weed. In contrast I'm sure someone who smokes crack cocaine, or does meth would probably be willing to do whatever it took to get their fix.

I also smoke cigarettes,when I've tried to quit them for long periods of time I've failed b/c I don't feel like myself without them, and am a complete wreck mentally and physically. When I've quit weed for long periods of time, I've missed it, but I've never felt like I wasn't myself without it, and haven't had any withdrawal symptoms.

That's because the withdrawal from cigarettes is hella underated, especially if you unconsciously used them to medicate for underlying problems. I've found the withdrawal from tobacco to be the worst of any drug. You say you feel like yourself without them? That's because you are not yourself with them.

just a crazy theory:
Nicotine attaches to acetylcholine receptors. Acetylcholine is the oldest neurotransmitter, evolutionary wise. That means you are artificially activating a receptor that is the oldest in humans. If it's the oldest, wouldn't it be the most important? To me, that's getting addicted to something on a very core level. Perhaps at the level that partially determines your most basic self.

Sorry for the ramble.
 
No, I meant smoking weed, not cigarettes. You are correct about the severity of tobacco addition....its entirely different from going without weed.
 
I know I'm dependent on it. When I first started smoking marijuana I loved how outgoing it made me. Now I feel like it's bringing back more of the social anxiety I used to have several years ago. It took a while for me to get over that. So that kind of sucks but I just get too bored without it, especially at school. I usually try to limit myself to once a day at night. I know I can stop if I wanted but I just don't feel like doing that now.
 
I've quit a serious addiction to xanax, valium, cocaine, morphine, codeine, nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, the list goes on and on really and I'm not saying any of them are very comparable to each other, but I will tell you that the one drug I have the most trouble staying away from is cannabis. I'm currently attempting a one day tolerance break from cannabis and it's taking everything I have to do it. Just saying.


Addicted - Amy Winehouse
 
It's mostly all mental and maybe a tiny bit physical. After a few days of anxiety and a few nights
of insomnia it seems to go away and you really just forget about it. The hard part is fighting the boredom.
 
Stopping nail biting can be EXTREMELY difficult as well. People continue despite harm. They do it more than they intended to. Im not sure what the third one would be.....so maybe it would be a true addiction if only it fit one more characteristic, like if nail biting was something you had to go buy then it would take up more time to get.....but otherwise its the same dynamic as any other psychologically addicted HABIT.

It just seems like 'habit forming' is already a great word to describe habits that are not necessarily dependence forming, and 'addiction' is a great word to describe habits that also cause dependence and cravings on top of the psychological addiction.....I dont know what word would replace it.

OK, theoretically there could be some WDs.....I am skeptical. It might be hard choosing not to smoke when you have it, but I never got 'cravings' and I have been a heavy smoker.

Perhaps its fair to say that its not addictive with dependence for the vast majority of users, but some very heavy users might experience WD like symptoms due to a psychological readjustment to sobriety, and the verdict isnt out on true chemical dependency, but I think its unlikely.
 
^PLEASE demonstrate the clinically significant distress and impairment that can be caused by nail biting. Examples would include failing out of school, losing jobs, destroying social and familial relationships.

As I've said over and over, so many of your arguments are taking pieces of the whole completely out of context to present it in a way that its not used or intended.
 
^PLEASE demonstrate the clinically significant distress and impairment that can be caused by nail biting. Examples would include failing out of school, losing jobs, destroying social and familial relationships.

As I've said over and over, so many of your arguments are taking pieces of the whole completely out of context to present it in a way that its not used or intended.

I think you should really give up and cede this point to me after I provided evidence against your claim that only 1% become addicted to video games, when it may be as high as 23%, higher than marijuana.


Nail biting is unhealthy for your nails. It makes them look ugly, can become painful, can even lead to infection or slight loss of functionality of your fingers. You are actually damaging your fingers by biting them too far back, but people keep biting them, sometimes tearing skin off as well.

However, did you say earlier that you cant base addiction on any 1 of those 7 attributes, that its a combination of any 3 and does not have to be any 1 in particular?.....Nail biting might not meet 3 separate criteria, but gaming and internet addiction certainly does.


Unless you exclude things like video game addiction over purely arbitrary social bias with no basis in science or objectivity....video game addictions can be costly and can cost you your eduction and lead to social isolation, keep people playing longer than they intended, even cause children to lie about their habits to cover them up.....this is addiction in the truest sense of the word, going solely by that 7 point criteria.....all you need is ANY 3, and its true addiction. Video games fit, and not just 1% like you claimed.


So, if you agree that video games can be "addictive", I agree that marijuana can be "addictive" in a small minority of people, but the attitude you described of people obsessing and basing their whole lives around marijuana....I really dont see it that much. I think I did in highschool, but I think that was a social addiction rather than a chemical addiction. It was part of their identity as a motivating factor, rather than a desperate need for the substance itself.

Its possible for people to dabble in meth or opium and not become addicted, but it takes real willpower and self discipline, or a lack of availability.

However, not only is it 'possible' to smoke weed without becoming addicted, but many people can smoke it as much as they want, whenever they want for years on end, and STILL never become addicted...They really CAN stop whenever they want, manage to show up sober for work or to a wedding, smoke on the weekends or when they get home....sure, you can have a habit of smoking in the AM, but very rarely do people freak out when they are out of weed.

Addiction isnt ALL about the substance though. Its about your relationship to the substance. Its something internal. I suppose you can psyche yourself up to have a phobia of sobriety if you smoke CONSTANTLY.....most people dont smoke constantly to the point where they dont experience moments of sobriety.....but I would still compare it to a psychological addiction, like video games, rather than fiendish or Moorish drugs that cause dependency.....You can never have enough coke if that is your DOC. When you have enough weed, you have had enough weed. Most people stop, unless they think they have something to prove.

In all my life I have never once had a "craving" for weed, like I have had a craving for nicotine or even caffeine. I have intellectually thought to myself that it might be nice to smoke a bowl, but I have never been crawling up the walls weeks later wishing I had some weed to smoke....and I have been smoking for 17 years, since I was 13.

The longer I have been smoking for, the less often I smoke....it didnt take any discipline, just a lack of interest.
 
They really CAN stop whenever they want, manage to show up sober for work or to a wedding,
I don't know what kind of weddings you attend but they must fucking SUCK.

When you have enough weed, you have had enough weed. Most people stop, unless they think they have something to prove.
I can never have enough weed and I could give a rats ass what you think about me.
 
lol. Its not that I judge people who are fiendish towards pot...I just dont see it that often. Almost everyone I personally associate with smokes weed sometimes, but not of them are stoned 24/7.

Granted, its possible....using the medical definition its definitely possible....but I dont think the nature of the addiction is as similar to more fiendish drugs or more metabolically addictive drugs, for most people.

I am just skeptical of placing weed in the same category as meth and heroin, Im not down on people who smoke a lot.
 
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