Do you believe in mediums? psychics? spiritual healers? experiences?

[Foreigner]

Sylvia Browne describes herself as a psychic i don't give a shit what she is though.

That's because you think all psychics are the same.

It's not noble to knowingly lie to people and affect their emotions on such a deep level and then take money for it.

I agree. If you are lying to people, that's unethical.

What fucking talents? bullshitting people? A real psychic would be fed amazing meals and live a tremendous life probably because the CIA would have picked them up long ago.

That's not true. Many psychics would not choose that life. I personally would not work for the CIA for ethical reasons. It's not like on TV where someone who is psychic is beautiful, rich, and loved by everyone. Many psychics are reclusive as a product of their journey from childhood to adulthood being in social isolation or feeling they don't relate to others.

As well, someone so enlightened would not see the need in bringing in more money than they need to sustain themselves, so there's nothing wrong with using your abilities to feed you but there is something wrong with using your 'talents' to build a fortune and become famous.

Interesting that you equate psychic abilities with enlightenment. I just equate it with having very heightened sensitivity.

People can do whatever they want with their abilities, it's called free will. There are no rules.

you know, not doing something as a means to an end but doing something as an end in itself? it can't be that hard to understand. If you're an artist, you draw/paint/whatever because you love it and that's enough. You don't draw/paint/whatever for money/fortune/fame. Means to an end vs. end in itself. Same with music, you play it because you love it, money or not. If you get rich and famous because you love music so much then so be it, that was a by product of your love but if you played music just to become famous/rich you are a douche bag.

There's too many generalizations in your posts. Psychics, like artists, are diverse. I mean, do you expect professional psychics to just get a different kind of job and then help people for free on the side, so that they aren't "bullshitting" them? Your idea of what's fair is pretty distorted.

You could say the same thing about me, as a healer. Why not heal people for free, since it's helping humanity? The answer is that I have to survive. If I did therapy for free I would go bankrupt. Why should I not be compensated for the time and dedication I put in? What's the difference between that and a psychic who spends a couple of hours with someone counselling them on their life while using their special insights? Don't they deserve to be compensated, if they want to be?

Money is just energy. You're trading energy for energy. I don't really get the logical disconnect you're having, where all genuine psychics should work for free in order for you to deem them authentic and non-manipulative. It's even more puzzling that you think being a psychic means you are somehow more enlightened than the rest of humanity. It just doesn't work that way. Psychics don't have all the answers, they just have heightened insight.

 

[RobotRipping]

I do equate enlightenment with psychic abilities; if you work with spirits or the cosmic consciousness or different realms, then you realize that this petty little life on Earth doesn't really matter. You can't really deny/affirm any of what i say unless you yourself are indeed a psychic lol. It's like speculating on what a Unicorn would like to eat, i'd say carrots, apples, hay, while you may disagree, really who knows? You can't speak on behalf of all psychics any more than I can, your post is as illegitimate as mine, unless you are indeed a psychic.

wtf is a professional psychic? Do they have degree in tarot card reading? a doctorate in paranormal perceptions? Do they work at psychic factories, determining the future for the Illuminati?

your arguments fail on the premise, that there is absolutely zero evidence of anyone having what are considered to be 'psychic' abilities. There's not even any evidence for a psychic having heightened insight or senses. I can take a ton of LSD and claim that my senses are heightened and i can see auras and predict the future, fuck i may even be right but it's a bunch of bullshit.

Aristotle is the one who believes you should only do things as an end in themselves and not as a means to another end, those are noble acts. That is what defines a noble act. I can compromise and say if you are indeed a psychic, you shouldn't seek fame and fortune but just charge enough to allow for your own sustenance. That would be noble in my book. FWIW if i were a psychic i'd probably only do it if i were paid huge sums of money but i'd do that knowing that it was not a noble thing to do, as i would be relishing in my wealth rather than putting my abilities where they were needed most.

as a healer should you be compensated at a higher rate than someone else who has put time/dedication/work that is equal to yours but not something as practical? No, you shouldn't, being paid enough to survive or live comfortably is one thing, using your talents to amass great fortune/wealth/fame is a douchey thing to do, no matter the job. Look at Dr. Drew or Justin Beiber or whichever famous person you want to think of. Think of asshole psychiatrists who don't help people, make $500k/year and compare them to veterinarians who make far little in comparison and then compare that to the labor worker, who works his/her ass off everyday, 70 hours a week and still doesn't make even a fraction of what a psychiatrist makes.

Jesus Christ didn't ask for money.

if you're a healer to help people and it just so happens they pay you and you live off of that, that's fine, but if you simply heal people to gain fame/fortune/power or anything other than the enjoyment of healing others, then you are not acting nobly.

 

[Foreigner]

^ Whether or not I'm a psychic is beside the point, so I won't really respond to that aspect of your reply. And it doesn't change that equating psychic ability with enlightenment is an uneducated claim. Most eastern spiritual texts that comment on psychic ability say that although it is a gift to possess such talents, they make you more liable to illusion and attachment. A psychic also receives a lot more input that has to be sorted through, thus making them more prone to distraction. Enlightenment is independent of psychic powers, actually. Whether or not they are present, and enlightened person is Divine consciousness and timing incarnate, with ego having been dissolved, which means that there are no 'special perceptions' aside from this all being Oneness. In other words, it doesn't matter if you have special sight or not, this is all Samsara and liable to deceive you.

In kundalini practices, psychic abilities are representative of the ajna centre, or third eye, but this is not the ultimate achievement. The ultimate achievement is having kundalini reach the crown (sahasrara) and thus achieve Oneness and alignment with the All-That-Is. Psychic powers, in of themselves, are not that grand of an accomplishment. Most humans possess some latent psychic ability, which can be amplified with dedicated work on the third eye. Psychedelics, for example, open the third eye, but usually in a more uncontrolled manner.

Psychics are just run of the mill, non-enlightened humans who have the third eye open, usually at birth but sometimes it opens later. The third eye in of itself does not grant Oneness consciousness, though it admittedly does enhance insight which permits one to see more clearly through the illusion of separation. That is, if you don't go crazy first.

Your post is two-fold. On one hand you say psychics can't be real because there's no proof; but on the other, you setup the impossible claim that if psychics were real, they would have to be altruistic or otherwise be immoral shams. So really, there is no winning with you. You clearly have something against psychics while simultaneously claiming that they can't possibly exist. I would hope that people with psychic ability would use it to better humanity and raise their own consciousness, but I'm sure as with any kind of human, there will be people who do good and bad, those that are unable to cope, and those who simply don't care. Your altruistic expectations are irrelevant to human realities.

Saying that there is zero evidence just means you haven't looked at the evidence. There's actually a lot. You can read some of it here.

As for Jesus... he was enlightened, assuming he even existed. An enlightened person doesn't need money. Their physical vessel is disposable as they have already ascended so if you kill the body, their being persists. If they choose, they'll just be reborn in another vessel with their full knowledge in tact. At least, this is what the Buddhist and Hindui texts tell us.

Re: professional psychics, yes you can go to school for divination. Astrology is an ancient art dating to at least Babylonia and it s a philosophical art that takes years to understand. The tradition of Tarot reading comes from the Middle Ages. There are divination practices all over the world and schools of study that teach them.

Even if you don't go to school, being a psychic who reads people regularly takes practices. Not every psychic is equipped to deal with an audience and many keep their psychic realities private or for close friends only, due to the very kinds of comments you have made here. However, those that get into the business may have 30+ years of experience, thus earning them the title of "professional". It's an industry, whether authentic or not. So just deal with it.

 

[RobotRipping]

Psychics are just run of the mill, non-enlightened humans who have the third eye open, usually at birth but sometimes it opens later. The third eye in of itself does not grant Oneness consciousness, though it admittedly does enhance insight which permits one to see more clearly through the illusion of separation. That is, if you don't go crazy first.

Your post is two-fold. On one hand you say psychics can't be real because there's no proof; but on the other, you setup the impossible claim that if psychics were real, they would have to be altruistic or otherwise be immoral shams. So really, there is no winning with you. You clearly have something against psychics while simultaneously claiming that they can't possibly exist. I would hope that people with psychic ability would use it to better humanity and raise their own consciousness, but I'm sure as with any kind of human, there will be people who do good and bad, those that are unable to cope, and those who simply don't care. Your altruistic expectations are irrelevant to human realities.

Saying that there is zero evidence just means you haven't looked at the evidence. There's actually a lot. You can read some of it here.

As for Jesus... he was enlightened, assuming he even existed. An enlightened person doesn't need money. Their physical vessel is disposable as they have already ascended so if you kill the body, their being persists. If they choose, they'll just be reborn in another vessel with their full knowledge in tact. At least, this is what the Buddhist and Hindui texts tell us.

Re: professional psychics, yes you can go to school for divination. Astrology is an ancient art dating to at least Babylonia and it s a philosophical art that takes years to understand. The tradition of Tarot reading comes from the Middle Ages. There are divination practices all over the world and schools of study that teach them.

Even if you don't go to school, being a psychic who reads people regularly takes practices. Not every psychic is equipped to deal with an audience and many keep their psychic realities private or for close friends only, due to the very kinds of comments you have made here. However, those that get into the business may have 30+ years of experience, thus earning them the title of "professional". It's an industry, whether authentic or not. So just deal with it.

Okay I get your argument, being a psychic is not mutually exclusive with enlightenment. I figured it would be but the way you put it, it's not necessarily so, but indeed as you mention having your third eye opened does enhance insight.

I don't have anything against psychics, there's no lack of anecdotal evidence but there is a lack of scientific evidence, especially with scientific rigor. Even with remote viewing, there's been tons of research on it and still nothing conclusive, maybe that's the nature of these abilities, they transcend our current model of the scientific method and as such cannot be tested for. That's plausible.

So yes, my argument fails based on the fact that a psychic is not necessarily enlightened, therefor not altruistic, which then allows for the possibility of them being an industry professional making millions of dollars a year, whether legitimate or not. You definitely know far more about eastern spirituality than i do, so i am speaking from a likely biased and narrow point of view.

I have personally felt my kundalini rise and my third eye blast open and had a nice psychotic break from it! but during that time i was convinced i had psychic abilities and was even able to prove them to myself, of course i was in psychosis so that isn't evidence of anything but it felt so real, felt so connected to everything and though i still had an ego, at times i felt unity, singularity and such. I could not function at all in society (as i hear other psychics can't either) so i basically had to suppress all those feelings and somehow after that decision, the psychosis faded and i went back to normal.

I think a person in general should look to do things that are ends in themselves rather than a means to an end. Whether psychic or not, that doesn't mean living like Jesus or living in poverty but rather putting your main focus on doing what is meaningful and important to you rather than accumulating wealth in order to gain power or some other thing. That was mainly my point.

Something can indeed exist without proof, so whether there is scientific evidence of paranormal/psychic abilities has no bearing on whether people do indeed have them. I guess i just threw that out there to strengthen my argument.

In essence, i agree with you and admit my argument was flawed. I'm curious though about how you view psychic ability in relation to enlightenment; does having such ability/ies provide a path for enlightenment? or does one simply see that path and choose to ignore it? or is there just no connection at all? It would seem to me that having insight, increased awareness would lead one to the logical conclusion to take that path to enlightenment, so if that were the case, why would a psychic ignore that and instead become a pro psychic and bathe in the material wealth the western world offers them? That's where i get the idea that these pro psychics are fake (in general), but i can accept that this is not necessarily true.

 

[Foreigner]

I think a person in general should look to do things that are ends in themselves rather than a means to an end. Whether psychic or not, that doesn't mean living like Jesus or living in poverty but rather putting your main focus on doing what is meaningful and important to you rather than accumulating wealth in order to gain power or some other thing. That was mainly my point.

In general, I prefer to surround myself with people who live meaningful lives, whether they are psychic or not. I don't tend to get along with people who live just for money or prestige, so we are in agreement about that part. Aside from often being obnoxious, famous psychics are also hard to get a reading on because they are so cloaked in stardom. But I suppose like any person, psychic or not, fate can deliver fame, and you just have to roll with it.

Something can indeed exist without proof, so whether there is scientific evidence of paranormal/psychic abilities has no bearing on whether people do indeed have them. I guess i just threw that out there to strengthen my argument.

The problem is that empirical material reductionism functions on the premise that nothing is transmittable outside of the brain. Our consciousness is some aggregate function of a bunch of physical interactions. Thus, things like telepathy, telekinesis, precognition, remote viewing, etc. are all impossible right from the get go. You therefore need a new system or experimenters who are open minded enough to sufficiently diverge from the status quo that they can get results; however, if they do that, then how can their work get peer reviewed? It's a catch-22. It's hard to setup a test when the system the test is designed within is already against what you're seeking to investigate. That's why paranormal researchers are not taken seriously by staunch empiricists, because the paranormal research requires the investigators to depart slightly from rigid material reductionism and look at the wealth of anecdotes.

In essence, i agree with you and admit my argument was flawed. I'm curious though about how you view psychic ability in relation to enlightenment; does having such ability/ies provide a path for enlightenment? or does one simply see that path and choose to ignore it? or is there just no connection at all? It would seem to me that having insight, increased awareness would lead one to the logical conclusion to take that path to enlightenment, so if that were the case, why would a psychic ignore that and instead become a pro psychic and bathe in the material wealth the western world offers them? That's where i get the idea that these pro psychics are fake (in general), but i can accept that this is not necessarily true.

Psychic powers can make people crazy, especially if they are blasting themselves open prematurely. The kundalini practices in the east (such as kundalini yoga) advise people to master the lower chakras before ever attempting upward travel of the energy. This means learning grounding, taming your sexual energy so it can be channelled (as opposed to expending essence), resolving emotional attachments, and having a solid heart-centre of compassion. The heart centre is the key to everything... it functions as the intermediary between the upper chakras and the lower. It is also the determiner of truth. If your anahata (heart chakra) isn't open and balanced, then it will be virtually impossible for you to tell the difference between psychosis and genuine psychic transmissions. It is the heart that determines truth, not the semantic intellect. If we could just put our brains into a jar and have them function, the brain wouldn't be able to discern truth from raw data.

The other aspect, which you mention indirectly, is free will. Psychic powers don't automatically make your life better unless you actively choose to use the information to better yourself and others. My opinion is that if you can achieve a balanced psychic awareness, then you can use the insights that come to you to discover higher actualization. The few genuine psychics I've met have very little interest in the material plane despite having to simultaneously use it for survival. Gotta eat, right?

I can also tell you that 90% of psychic readings revolve around simply giving people practical advice. You'd be amazed at how many people lack common sense, and when you give them valuable advice they are in awe of you. Meanwhile, you're just being practical and sensible. In other words, a lot of psychic readings don't actually have to employ psychic powers since they are de facto counselling sessions. But some people genuinely do have spiritual issues that need a psychic to resolve, and for that there is no better expert than someone who lives that reality each day. I think some "psychics" working for money would be better off just being counsellors, but maybe for whatever reason they can't afford the scholastic training. Unfortunately, because they use the moniker of "psychic", people will also come to them for spiritual advice (i.e. ghosts, clairvoyance, etc.) and in order to save face those psychics need to act like they are remotely qualified to deal with it, when they aren't.

 

[cire113]

spirits, spiritual healers, auras, astral travel, reiki, all that shit is actually for real...

I dont even feel like explaining it because I'm not here to convince anyone of anything;

I will say though that there are definitely a few people in the world that know whats up as far as all this "spiritual stuff" is considered that 99% of people think is bull shit...

Ill just say this.. Reality is a giant simulated illusion; It blows my mind that most people dont think something is up; I guess the whole point is to keep everyone in the illusion so the game goes on

everything is ENERGY; all energy in this reality is the SAME energy everywhere in everyone and everything.

My point is real magic does exist... Not the magic that magicians do LoL

I would encourage people to stay open minded and unless you have a particular experience do not discount ANYTHING;

Entheogen's in general should be able give you an idea this truth in a different perspective of the infinite possibilities of Universal Consciousness / Energy;

But lets just say in this reality alot more is possible than people believe; and most of the world doesn't realize we create our own realities 100% through focus and intent. Thats the truth.



Each and every one of you is a walking microcosm of the WHOLE Universe.