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do strongly held values matter any more?

My uncle who i loved so much taught me so much treat you friends wives girlfriends sisters with respect somebody invites you into their house that is a big respect dont cheak out their women. I met this guy in the gym we became fiend he invited me to dinner at his house after I left his wife goes why did he be looking down all the time I did not want him to think I'm checking his wife out .

I have cheated all through my marriage but have never gone with some one who married or got a boyfriend or any of my pals relatives. Im a cunt for cheating but I cant help it love the taste of arse which if I tried with my wife she proberly give me a slap
 
Values have only ever mattered to the person within. Or atleast that's where they count.

I don't be honest for you, or anyone else. I do it for me. My principles are for me. It's only a benefit to others as a byproduct.

Because who else can fairly judge me? I'm the only one with me 100% of the time. I could be fooling others, putting on an act if it wasn't for myself. And nothing I do gets past me.

I'd be a millionaire if I didn't have ethics and values that I'll hold till death. Much like you I've walked out of jobs with nowhere to go. Nothing can break real principle, that's what makes them worth having.
 
THECATINTHEHAT said:
So you have more respect for the Nazis than someone who professes to care about the environment but doesn’t recycle?

I don’t think you’ve thought this through very well have you.
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i have been waiting for someone to bring up this objection. thank you. i have already somewhat anticipated it, if you read through my wording "demonstrated clear reasoning and are willing to suffer for before abandoning." some nazis definitely suffer for it, can you provide an example of one of the values commonly held by nazis, providing clear reasoning? i've never heard a decent argument for the value systems held by nazis. i'd also like to clarify that there is a difference between a value and a political stance, though there is certainly overlap between the two, i don't consider being a nazi a "value."

were a good argument provided for it by someone willing to tolerate hardship on that basis, then yes i would respect them more than someone who claims to care about the environment but doesn't recycle. i wouldn't like the person, i wouldn't agree with them, but i would respect them more than someone who can't even put their shit in the right bin while claiming green credentials.

and no, i'm not downplaying nazism. anyone who read before my account got nuked will know almost an entire generation of my family was wiped out by them. you can substitute pol pot, stalin, chairman mao, donald trump, whoever you consider unequivocally and indefensibly evil based on the values they espouse and act on.

if you think you personally actually can arbitrate on which values are respectable, might you share your methods? what are your acceptance criteria and how did you derive them? pointing out an obvious and lazy example isn't really sufficient, especially without further explanation.
 
All of the Nazi beliefs had clear reasoning, you might not agree with them but they were very clear about their reasons for doing what they did.

Now you seem to be saying that you agreeing with the reasoning is important, whereas earlier you were fairly clear about the fact that it didn’t matter. Logically if you agreed with the reasoning then you would agree with the belief as well, and vice versa.

Like I said you haven’t thought this through at all.
 
chinup said:
people who've thought their positions through and hold them strongly understand that there will be some nasty conosequences and accept those as better than the alternative. there isn't a perfect belief system, all have bad consequences, so its lazy to go after those imo, more importantly is whether people's actions back up their beliefs.
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from the OP
chinup said:
if you read through my wording "demonstrated clear reasoning and are willing to suffer for before abandoning." some nazis definitely suffer for it, can you provide an example of one of the values commonly held by nazis, providing clear reasoning?
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from my post just then
THECATINTHEHAT said:
All of the Nazi beliefs had clear reasoning, you might not agree with them but they were very clear about their reasons for doing what they did.
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where? quote it.
THECATINTHEHAT said:
Now you seem to be saying that you agreeing with the reasoning is important, whereas earlier you were fairly clear about the fact that it didn’t matter. Logically if you agreed with the reasoning then you would agree with the belief as well, and vice versa.
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if an argument is logically sound but you deny the premises, then you can accept the reasoning without accepting the conclusion. so logically, you are wrong.

i'll repeat my question cos i believe it to be interesting and you clearly think its self evident so i'd like to know why: if you think you personally actually can arbitrate on which values are respectable, might you share your methods? what are your acceptance criteria and how did you derive them?
 
My old man was a cunt glad his dead hope the devil is is using him as a sex slave but he and my uncle did have good values . They first worked in the foundry in the midlands union men socialist values . In the states he had we still got a trucking company the company drivers were paid good money medical . He would even loan them money to buy their own trucks and become owner drivers he would lose money on that . He fought in the 71 India Pakistan war and I just once asked him how many Pakistanis did he kill I was smiling he gave me a back hander said how dare you disrespect a man who died for his country when you still eating out your dads hands .
We taught never be a bully but never be bullied bruises heal shame doesn't never look down on anyone talk to every one with respect work hard .

I have had loads of fights but never started one I own a catering company here don't try to hide money to pay less tax staff are very well I show less hours on some so they still get tax credits some might say that's wrong payed full wages during covid and when my cousin would allow me to go to one of the functions I would share my coke with them reason why iwas banned .

Values like respect empathy compassion are a must for society but its going tits up it starts with parents what we tach our kids if we are are cunt our kids will be cunts
 
I think people are allowed to believe and think what they want, should they want to profess it (online for example) and it’s not “PC” or whatever then they should be allowed to reply with their reasoning. If anything, it shows others what people are thinking and why.

There’s sooo many people who have beliefs that they would never share because they’d be destroyed.

How are we supposed to engage anyone in conversation and possibly educate them on their beliefs or whatever if we don’t know they are thinking them because they are too afraid to speak out?

I live in rural Ireland, I know a lot of people who are very homophobic, they have a right to their own thoughts/beliefs even though I may not agree with them.

I think there are much better ways to educate someone on something like why a person is gay (and getting them to at least respect that person’s choices) than telling them they are wrong and cancelling them, if that makes sense?
 
The problem is "values" are relative. These are values for alot of people:



(The irony is that the message of magnanimity, acceptance, brotherly love and disdain for the rich that Jesus delivered is in direct contradiction to the Trump portion of that shirt 🤔).

So when people say...."people have no values these days"...its in reference to what values they hold important.

Values shift over time as a result of external forces and shifts of social paradigms. We are undergoing what is probably the most extreme and rapid social shift that humans have ever experienced which of course can put strain on one's value system
 
negrogesic said:
The problem is "values" are relative. These are values for alot of people:



(The irony is that the message of magnanimity, acceptance, brotherly love and disdain for the rich that Jesus delivered is in direct contradiction to the Trump portion of that shirt 🤔).

So when people say...."people have no values these days"...its in reference to what values they hold important.

Values shift over time as a result of external forces and shifts of social paradigms. We are undergoing what is probably the most extreme and rapid social shift that humans have ever experienced which of course can put strain on one's value system
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Does it say "and guns" around the crotch?

FFS...
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Does it say "and guns" around the crotch?

FFS...
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Jesus vs Trump. Death match. No rules.

"Father fuck him good & proper, he knew exactly what he was doing". Trump dissapears after being hit by a several million volt lightning strike. Fuck, I'd buy a 4k UHD telly, just so I could watch it over and over, in lovely detail
 
fastandbulbous said:
Jesus vs Trump. Death match. No rules.

"Father fuck him good & proper, he knew exactly what he was doing". Trump dissapears after being hit by a several million volt lightning strike. Fuck, I'd buy a 4k UHD telly, just so I could watch it over and over, in lovely detail
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have trey parker and matt stone from south park commentate it
they did the original 'jesus vs santa'
 
fastandbulbous said:
Jesus vs Trump. Death match. No rules.

"Father fuck him good & proper, he knew exactly what he was doing". Trump dissapears after being hit by a several million volt lightning strike. Fuck, I'd buy a 4k UHD telly, just so I could watch it over and over, in lovely detail
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Since Jesus had long hair and wore a caftan*, I'd love to see him defeat Trump by simply using the woman's bathroom and giving Trump a coronary embolism.


* "Remember, Jesus had long hair and wore a caftan. So instead of "What Would Jesus Do?", maybe the right should ask: "Where Would Jesus Poo?" - Jackie Beat (on transgender bathroom rights)
 
fastandbulbous said:
Charles Manson also had long hair and wore hippie clothes (and was also obviously charismatic).
A real case of 'you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover'!!
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True :oops:

manson-church.jpg
 
arrall said:
Reddit is generally a bunch of idiots masquerading as “intellectuals”.
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There are a lot of idiots but there are also some really well-researched people on there. I find their information valuable, especially in the health groups. Patient communities are a really useful source of research leads.
 
Foreigner said:
There are a lot of idiots but there are also some really well-researched people on there. I find their information valuable, especially in the health groups. Patient communities are a really useful source of research leads.
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Which communities would you recommend?
I find that even places like /r/DrugNerds are filled with shocking incompetence and stupidity compared to similar communities I’ve seen on other platforms.
 
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