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Do Psychedelic Trips Hold some BAsis in "Reality"?

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In your experience, have your trips helped you after they were over? How so? Which drug helped you the most?

Also, did the things you learned on your trip integrate into everyday "reality" (the daily wind-and-grind) ????
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Sometimes. This is a really weird subject for me...

When I first took acid, I came out with a massive perception change. The world was brighter, I came out of a really bad depression.

Now when I trip, I don't always come out feeling all fresh like that. But I do get insights into how to improve my life, what WORK I need to do to make things brighter with my own power. However, when I don't do the work to improve things shit actually gets a lot worse for me, my life gets really complicated and I feel sorta crazy.
 
Shrooms are well known for their introspective and spiritual effects. I mean just consider that when you fall asleep you've probably had one or two dreams that effected you when you woke up and remembered them.

From shrooms I remember wondering hard on how anyone could ever like me and once I was set down I realized that I needed to worry less about myself and more about the success of the people around me.
 
I was not prepared for LSD at all.

The first time I took it I was at a festival. I laid in a tent for about two hours, watching the walls breath and ripple, scared out of my mind, thinking all of these thoughts that I refused to think sober. Thinking about life and all the time I had wasted being everybody else. I felt lucy crawling in the back of my brain and showing me what a disgusting person I was. I almost lost it.

When I walked out of that tent, I felt reborn. I loved my life. I still do. Every time I dose now I find something new to love/appreciate.
 
nearjat said:
Sometimes. This is a really weird subject for me...

When I first took acid, I came out with a massive perception change. The world was brighter, I came out of a really bad depression.

Now when I trip, I don't always come out feeling all fresh like that. But I do get insights into how to improve my life, what WORK I need to do to make things brighter with my own power. However, when I don't do the work to improve things shit actually gets a lot worse for me, my life gets really complicated and I feel sorta crazy.
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Dude I know exactly what you mean
 
What is reality?

Is it a fundamental principle of the universe that we all live in?

Or is it reality something that is different for every one of us?
 
nearjat said:
Sometimes. This is a really weird subject for me...

When I first took acid, I came out with a massive perception change. The world was brighter, I came out of a really bad depression.

Now when I trip, I don't always come out feeling all fresh like that. But I do get insights into how to improve my life, what WORK I need to do to make things brighter with my own power. However, when I don't do the work to improve things shit actually gets a lot worse for me, my life gets really complicated and I feel sorta crazy.
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yea im totally on board with this as well.

but id like to add that im a major advocate of candy flipping for generating life changing spiritual experiences.
 
Not at all.

They hold a basis is your neurochemistry

Which, curiously enough, mediates your reality

So, maybe, sort of ...

But again, not really ...

As drug states are transient and consensus not so much (as the old joke goes, even solipsists look both ways before crossing the street).

Psychedelic experiences are interesting and can give you some insights into how the magnificent instrument of your brain works, but in terms of having a bearing on reality, IMO they offer zilch, and any other outlook is a ticket on a high speed rail to delusion
 
The latter, I'll admit it, but I think what I said is still entirely relevant to the discussion at hand. So I could rephrase: Getting fucked up on drugs does not serve you in your daily grind, but if in the course of getting fucked up on drugs you get to know yourself and the delicate instrument of your brain & your consciousness a bit better, you might be ready to approach the grind in a better way.
 
SomeKindaLove said:
The latter, I'll admit it, but I think what I said is still entirely relevant to the discussion at hand. So I could rephrase: Getting fucked up on drugs does not serve you in your daily grind, but if in the course of getting fucked up on drugs you get to know yourself and the delicate instrument of your brain & your consciousness a bit better, you might be ready to approach the grind in a better way.
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Wouldn't "psychedelics can serve you in your daily grind if you learn from the experience" be a way of stating the latter? I just feel like your splitting hairs, as if people who feel they've learned about the ontological nature of existence through drugs has made you skittish when it comes to admitting that they accomplish anything at all. Or maybe I'm the one splitting hairs, who knows :\

I just don't think you're disagreeing with anyone in the thread, and conversations seem to go better when starting from a place of agreement.

Anyways, on to my opinion. A minority of my trips have instructed me in such a way as to improve my life, but they have been massive. Psilosybin made me aware of how my parents' divorce had affected me, how I had dulled almost all emotion to the point where my beliefs were being strongly altered. I no longer believed in love, or happiness, and I didn't even have the self awareness to recognize the shift. It was despair, and I thought it was business as usual, that everyone felt that way. In that trip I felt loved, love, and anger at my mother for her adultery, with an intensity that woke me up to what I had been missing. I remembered what it was like to feel. So yes, I think psychedelics can help you in life and are grounded in the reality of your existence. Then there are the... other experiences. The selfless ones, the ones that leave you weeping with joy or wishing to die. Those I don't feel I have integrated honestly, no rational thought has explained them to me, and I'm not about to accept just any belief, but I will say that they have set me on a collision course with a level of agnosticism I didn't even know existed.


Sorry about that, that bordered on a trip report.
 
Sorry about that, that bordered on a trip report.
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Don't be - it was a great read! The part about dulling your own emotions really resonated with me, as I've grown somewhat unfeeling as well (at least compared to how I used to be). Sounds like food for thought for my next trip ;)
 
Great troll!

Depends on how you approach "reality."

They happen. They "exist" in some ontological sense or another and are hence real by being something that exists.

"WE" are talking about them. "YOU" experience them. Are "YOU" real? Let's just say THEY ARE AS "REAL" AS YOU ARE! And as "valid" and "real" as any other experience that "you" have.

They can totally affect the way you behave and things you do and way you look at existence, and these things can have immense effects on the rest of the world, to an epic extent.

So yes they can seriously affect "reality". So I would say they probably are "real."
 
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SomeKindaLove said:
As drug states are transient and consensus not so much (as the old joke goes, even solipsists look both ways before crossing the street).

Psychedelic experiences are interesting and can give you some insights into how the magnificent instrument of your brain works, but in terms of having a bearing on reality, IMO they offer zilch, and any other outlook is a ticket on a high speed rail to delusion
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Yep. When you really think about it, a lot of times some of these "insights" come to you at totally insignificant times while not tripping. If we took some of these passing thoughts as seriously as ones we conjure up tripping, could they change our lives as well?
 
2ce changed my outlook on life. If somthing can change your perseption of reality that much- how much of reality is of your own brains making.

The world is a diffrent place now, i interact with it diffrently, feel diffrently about it. Psycs have amazing capabilitys.
 
nearjat said:
Yep. When you really think about it, a lot of times some of these "insights" come to you at totally insignificant times while not tripping. If we took some of these passing thoughts as seriously as ones we conjure up tripping, could they change our lives as well?
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Yes, recently i've found in my own daily train of thought recognizing less than healthy perspectives and shortly after hearing that realization from within I discover options to change the behavior. It never changes in an instant like when I'm on a psychedellic and i'm scared out of my wits but old patterns turn into new ones when i'm in a clear state of mind almost every day. I feel it as one of the main focuses of my life, keeps me contemplative.
 
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