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Do it yourself Ultra Rapid Detox From heroin

right, I want to emphesize that I am in no way telling anyone that they should IV suboxone. let me be clear DO NOT IV SUBOXONE, IT IS POINTLESS. IT WILL NOT GET YOU HIGH.

I just wanted to let you know that you could do it without throwing yourself into precipitated withdrawal like people say. the naloxone doesn't stop you from feeling its effects and its not going to make you sick.
 
Yes, thank you for stressing this point; I realized once I asked you that this might lend some bad ideas;). I have absolutely no interest in doing this, and I hope no one else does either. People, please do not use Suboxone, or of course any other pills, intravenously. And please, do not abuse Suboxone in the first place. It screws it up for those who wish to use the drug as it was intended to be used.
 
Get back on topic guys. There's a Suboxone/Bupe thread.


This is a horrible idea, and not just for the medical risks involved where there are plenty of, at home anesthesia without monitoring vitals, injecting pills, bupe's higher affinity than naloxone, the amount of stress brought on by precipitated withdrawal.
Now, why this is horrible due to non medical reasons. Rapid detox will not help you quit, which I assume is your goal. Its goal is just that, detox. Basically getting you through withdrawal as fast(and as dangerous, might I add) as possible. This will do almost nothing for helping someone resolve their addiction problem. Fuck, it won't even get rid of most of your tolerance.

In conclusion, do not do it.
 
I don't believe there is an easier, softer way. Just quit. Endure the withdrawals, and be done with it!!



Anything else is just substituting one addiction for another.
 
Well, here's an interesting update. I am now able to obtiain some IV naloxone (on Weds.). I really really was not looking forward to using suboxone in any way as I have never shot a pill and really, never plan to, its just a bad idea in the first place.

So, now if I have IV Naloxone in my posession, does this plan seam more feasible?
 
DonkeyPunch said:
right, I want to emphesize that I am in no way telling anyone that they should IV suboxone. let me be clear DO NOT IV SUBOXONE, IT IS POINTLESS. IT WILL NOT GET YOU HIGH.

I just wanted to let you know that you could do it without throwing yourself into precipitated withdrawal like people say. the naloxone doesn't stop you from feeling its effects and its not going to make you sick.
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Word, I thought this was common belief on bl. Not trying to sound like a dick but just to back up dp many have said for ages nalox does nothing. It apears likely its just some marketing bullshit but for some reason a lot of bluelighters don't believe companies screw people over...

At any rate as morphonoconic originally said the bupe will be what's working not the nalox. Because of this you won't be rapidly doing shit except rapidly dosing bupe and ketamine. When you're done you will still wd. Sorry bro
 
Johnny blue said:
Word, I thought this was common belief on bl. Not trying to sound like a dick but just to back up dp many have said for ages nalox does nothing. It apears likely its just some marketing bullshit but for some reason a lot of bluelighters don't believe companies screw people over...

At any rate as morphonoconic originally said the bupe will be what's working not the nalox. Because of this you won't be rapidly doing shit except rapidly dosing bupe and ketamine. When you're done you will still wd. Sorry bro
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That's fine, its a whole new situation now. Skip the bupe, I'll have naloxone.
 
I'm sure this Ultra Rapid detox method has crossed anyones mind who has done heroin for long enough, it definately sounds too good to be true. But if it really does work and I could get the naloxone implant installed immediately afterwards I truely believe it could save my life and turn it around to be free from the extreme opiate addiction I have currently (2-3 g's a day) I have been stockpiling methadone, benzo's and other sleeping pills, and if the original idea is simply not possible I will do a taper which is going to be hard as fuck.

Thanks everyone for your replies, I really appreciate every one but would like to stay off the subject of the suboxone portion of it and focus more on if I put myself under and have a couple of friends I trust my life with (as I really will be trusting my life with them) administer a small amount of naloxone and work there way up, when I wake up, will I be opiate free as so all of the other UROD clinics are claiming? or is there something else to their protocol rather than putting you under and administrating naltrexone?

Thanks again.
 
As far as I know that's it. I wouldn't recommend it though, there are horror stories all over the place especially from very heavy users. If you're saying suboxone doesn't work on you than I'd say you fit into that category.

Have you ever thought about just making it until you piss clean then using the shot for maintenance such as a vivitrol (naltexone) shot. I know of a few that do it and it keeps them for about 30days. Good luck
 
Johnny blue said:
As far as I know that's it. I wouldn't recommend it though, there are horror stories all over the place especially from very heavy users. If you're saying suboxone doesn't work on you than I'd say you fit into that category.

Have you ever thought about just making it until you piss clean then using the shot for maintenance such as a vivitrol (naltexone) shot. I know of a few that do it and it keeps them for about 30days. Good luck
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That would be the next best thing.. I would love to hear someones experience with that, I'll have to do some research.
 
Well I can't give you first hand expirience but, one of my best friends is on it. If done in a clinic its very expensive about 800 a shot. Every 30 days he goes for another shot which is administered IM in his thigh. He said it works great no cravings or nothing. The only problem being that he can only get it every 30 days and often he needs another shot ahead of time. He says he has no cravings yet I did notice he uses a lot of benzos since he started. Hopefully someone here has some expirience with it but, I don't think its something covered by most insurance and its very expensive as I said so...
 
niqniq said:
So, now if I have IV Naloxone in my posession, does this plan seam more feasible?
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No, not really.


What about OST? Specifically methadone.


Also, you might want to read up on ibogaine. Hell, give that a shot before this crazy idea.
 
niqniq, you say you've been stockpiling methadone, why not just try to taper down rapidly with that before you go crazy and do this rapid detox bullshit. I mean I don't know how much you've managed to acquire, but anything is better than that idea honestly.

I'd taper with the methadone as best as you can based on how much you've got, I realize 2-3g of heroin a day is a very heavy habit, so if at all possible I'd start out with at least 50-75mg methadone a day, if not more, and taper down from that until 0 and then just try to CT it from there with the help of benzos/weed/immodium/whatever.
 
You say you have some medical knowledge or whatever, but here you are asking on a online forum how to successfully have your friends put you under and put you through precipitated withdrawal. Are you fucking crazy? This is not where to find out how to preform this procedure. You need to go to school for a very long time! This is not going to work you're probably going to die. We've all went through withdrawals, but I for one have never considered anything like this, this is a bad bad idea. You obviously don't have enough knowledge to do this so you're asking on a forum and were all telling you not do it. So if you really care to learn something learn that this is not going to work and save your loved ones the trouble and grief. Not to mention the trouble your friends are gonna get in I can't believe anyone would agree to this. They'll probably get manslaughter they're fucked! DO NOT DO THIS!!!
 
Do a search for ultra rapid detox. I remember reading a thread on here where a guy did the detox in a medical setting and said it was horrible, not worth his money, and the withdrawal's still lasted a full week. That's in a medical setting too so doing this yourself... not a good idea.
 
Even in an ICU (Intensive Care Unit) it is possible die undergoing one of the many protocols known collectively as UROD.

As was previously stated and is repeated countless times on BL, the Naloxone in Suboxone serves no purpose other than psychological diversion from attempting to inject the sublingual tablets. The Naloxone is outcompeted by the Buprenorphine every time. There is a seperate protocol from IV antagonists to treat Buprenorphine overdoses resulting in respiratory depression and unconsciousness- for this very reason, that even very high doses of antagonists in most cases can not outcompete Buprenorphine.

In persons who take Buprenorphine or Bupe/NX too soon, it is the Buprenorphine that causes precipitated withdrawals, not the Naloxone.

Buprenorphine maintained patients, opioid addicts who wait until they are into acute withdrawal, and persons who are not tolerant or dependant on any opioid can inject Buprenorphine tablets with or without Naloxone to get high. In parts of the world this practice is more popular than Heroin (Central Asia, Eastern Europe, poorer parts of the UK, South Asia, etc).

It is theoretically possible that if a person who is dependant on short acting opioids like Heroin, Oxycodone, Morphine, etc consume Buprenorphine and are thrown into precipitated withdrawals, that their overall withdrawal syndrome would be shorter than if they had gone 'cold turkey'. But it wouldn't be by much, and the intense suffering of acute withdrawal would be intensely magnified, despite any attempts to circumvent the pain at home.

You seem completely unaware of what the UROD procedure consists of, and the philosophy behind the protocol and medications used.

Naloxone is not the primary antagonist used in an UROD procedure. This is because Naloxone is incredibly short acting and more expensive than Naltrexone. Naltrexone is both longer acting and cheaper. Large doses of IV infusion Naltrexone are given over 30-60 minutes while the patient is either under general anaesthesia or heavy sedation with a drug like Midazolam.

The only function of Naloxone in the UROD procedure is as a test to the patients reaction to being given an antagonist while under anaesthesia or sedation (to judge if severe or life threatening reactions will take place under larger doses of a longer acting antagonist). Two test doses of Naloxone are injected into the patient following heavy sedation or anaesthesia induced unconsciousness: the first test dose being a low dose (0.6mg), followed shortly by a larger test dose (1.2mg). If the patient responds normally the UROD procedure is carried out with IV infusion of Naltrexone, otherwise the procedure is canceled for health concerns.

Antagonist infusion is necessary for the UROD procedure to work. This is what makes the acute withdrawal process so short, and if the patient is under heavy sedation or anaesthesia, seemingly 'painless'.

Administering IV Suboxone once or a few times to someone dependant on a short acting opioid will simply result in extremely painful precipitated withdrawals, and a typical acute withdrawal syndrome lasting several days (and if that person is put into a K-Hole or other home-anaesthesia, probably horrific hallucinations and other psychological distress that will only compound the pain).

UROD is a dangerous procedure anyway, in the presence of trained anaesthesiologists, addictionologists and RN's, inside of an Intensive Care Unit of a hospital.

What you are suggesting is home surgery that will either result in death or a horrible medical condition, physical and/or psychological.

Administering multiple Suboxone and Narcan injections to an opioid addict is nothing less than torture and serves no other purpose than to terrorize the individual, and possibly kill or maim them.
 
niqniq said:
So,... I have had this thought that has been bugging me for a while that but I can't stop being curious as to if it would work or not, the idea is simply this:

Can I detox myself under anesthesia with ketamine and clear my mind with either naltrexone/naloxone, etc? The poor mans way of doing it would be with suboxone which already contains the needed chemical via I.V. (Edit: I will no longer be doing it "the poor mans way" with suboxone as I.V. Naloxone is within reach)

The idea would work something like this: Have a baby sitter with medical knowledge, administer enough IV ketamine to put me under light anesthesia for the first shot, the second shot would contain plenty of ketamine plus 500 ~ 800 mcg of naloxone Ignore: I found naloxone, (or 1/4th a 8mg pill of suboxone (dangerous in itself, I know., but 8mg pill contains 2mgs of naloxone, 2mgs / 4 = 500 mcgs) administer this, monitor body functioning and my reaction. Wait approx 2-3 hours, double dosage, and again, wait, and maybe apply one more time. The whole procedure and time under anesthesia should last around 12 hours.

This page gave me some ideas on dosages and on times and should be used lightly for reference: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~apfdfy/Opiate.html

The whole procedure should last about 12 hours of extremely careful supervision.

I am very curious as to what you guys would think of this situation and I would highly not recommend it for anyone, but as anyone who has been an addict knows, sometimes you get desperate and you are willing to do anything to just be free.. I don't mind having to do the suboxone Edit: suboxone maintenance, however not going to happen now that i will soon have Naloxoneafterwards, but I have tried under multiple occassions quitting cold turkey, with suboxone and methadone with little success and I believe if I oculd do this UROD, free myself off of the heroin quickly and get something such as a naloxone chip that would last 6 months implanted immediately, I would be happy sailing.

So, please tell me I'm crazy, or if there maybe is a shot in hell, its just a though thats been in my head for a very long time and I would really like to hear BL's input on this and if it works I think it could save many lives for people who do not have $6k in their pocket to do this on their own, where as a few vials of k and some suboxone can easily be supplied for under $300.....

I would also like to say I have a bit of medical knowledge and know of other people with plenty more, but I would like to consult here first as you guys generally know more about this type of stuff in general and would like to hear all sides to it.

IF there is another thread I should post this under, please let me know as I'm
new. Thanks.
And thank you in advance for your sincere input.
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dude i jus wrote this big looong ass PM 2 u and i wouldn't let me send it to ya lol!!

anyways don't do it thats crazy just go 2 a real detox center they wean u off the meds whateva it is they give u in that place w it b meth or whatever and go to NA meeting or do meth matance but that thing w ur friends is crazy!! especially if they use to and nod out ot whateva while u guys r doing it anything can happen!!

well i dunno ur gunna do what ur gunna do no mater what any1 says anyways so whateva u do end up doin be very careful!!

p.s. i am a recovering heroin addict so i do feel ur pain for an answer to get off the dope!!
you have to really want to b and stay clean for ANYTHING to work!!

well take care and b safe!!;)
 
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