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Do it yourself Ultra Rapid Detox From heroin

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So,... I have had this thought that has been bugging me for a while that but I can't stop being curious as to if it would work or not, the idea is simply this:

Can I detox myself under anesthesia with ketamine and clear my mind with either naltrexone/naloxone, etc? The poor mans way of doing it would be with suboxone which already contains the needed chemical via I.V. (Edit: I will no longer be doing it "the poor mans way" with suboxone as I.V. Naloxone is within reach)

The idea would work something like this: Have a baby sitter with medical knowledge, administer enough IV ketamine to put me under light anesthesia for the first shot, the second shot would contain plenty of ketamine plus 500 ~ 800 mcg of naloxone Ignore: I found naloxone, (or 1/4th a 8mg pill of suboxone (dangerous in itself, I know., but 8mg pill contains 2mgs of naloxone, 2mgs / 4 = 500 mcgs) administer this, monitor body functioning and my reaction. Wait approx 2-3 hours, double dosage, and again, wait, and maybe apply one more time. The whole procedure and time under anesthesia should last around 12 hours.

This page gave me some ideas on dosages and on times and should be used lightly for reference: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~apfdfy/Opiate.html

The whole procedure should last about 12 hours of extremely careful supervision.

I am very curious as to what you guys would think of this situation and I would highly not recommend it for anyone, but as anyone who has been an addict knows, sometimes you get desperate and you are willing to do anything to just be free.. I don't mind having to do the suboxone Edit: suboxone maintenance, however not going to happen now that i will soon have Naloxoneafterwards, but I have tried under multiple occassions quitting cold turkey, with suboxone and methadone with little success and I believe if I oculd do this UROD, free myself off of the heroin quickly and get something such as a naloxone chip that would last 6 months implanted immediately, I would be happy sailing.

So, please tell me I'm crazy, or if there maybe is a shot in hell, its just a though thats been in my head for a very long time and I would really like to hear BL's input on this and if it works I think it could save many lives for people who do not have $6k in their pocket to do this on their own, where as a few vials of k and some suboxone can easily be supplied for under $300.....

I would also like to say I have a bit of medical knowledge and know of other people with plenty more, but I would like to consult here first as you guys generally know more about this type of stuff in general and would like to hear all sides to it.

IF there is another thread I should post this under, please let me know as I'm
new. Thanks.
And thank you in advance for your sincere input.
 
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Desperation sometimes outweights the risks, I'm familiar with how danger it is, and I will not be going fully under, just enough to ease the pain and maybe drag it out long enough to make it work. I am curious if anyone has ever attempted anything like this whatsoever. After reading medical medical article after article, it seems like this is all that they really do except with more anesthesia than I care to use. I care to be semi-concious during the procedure. IF you read that link, they talk about doing an outpatient version of this I find very fascinating.
 
Danger aside it sounds like a good idea. I have no medical education but going from what my instincts tell me it would be very dangerous, and probably not worth the risk to get off dope.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I see a problem with your plan as stated. If you were to use Suboxone tablets in place of IV-ready Naloxone, you will be injecting yourself with substantial amounts of Buprenorphine, which has a higher binding affinity than the Antagonist. Therefore, it would be the Bupe and not the Nalox. that would be "cleaning" out your receptors.
 
Switching from heroin to suboxone + naloxone would be wonderful. The goal is to be away from the heroin anyway possible. Suboxone straight up has never worked for me in the past, I was thinking about skipping the IV part and just doing the anesthesia and taking the suboxone, but the problem with that is my w/d's from suboxone are over 48 hours long, and that would take a fuckload of some sort of anesthesia.
 
Why not taper down your dope use for a few days/weeks, then quit cold turkey with a load of benzos and codeine on hand? I've never been dopesick but surely this would be better than risking death!
 
I'VE gone thru rapid detox by using on the day of my naloxone implant dude its the worst feeling ever 2 days of proper insominaa but if ur serious of gettin the monkey off ur back fuck taken k try and bring urself down wit some benzos and suboxone and get the naloxone blocker my life is gettin back to sort of normailty. dude it sucks been on the H i hope it works out
 
I have considered using tranqs to sedate myself through the duration of wds but in the end I decided that it's better to taper and treat the symptoms than try and "skip" them, don't forget about the psychological wds as well... they're the ones that always seem to get me.
 
I considered this because i have IV naloxone on hand. the main problems with this though are that you are not versed in general anesthesia, so you could very well kill yourself.

the gold standard for me is taper down to a quarter of suboxone, then use benzos to mitigate insomnia and anxiety.

doing this "rapid detox" thing will most likely just end up with a horrific tale for you tel, if you even live. youd be better off going cold turkey even.
 
After thinking about it a bit more since my above post, I am not sure about what I said: The Naloxone in Suboxone is there so that it cannot be effectively abused via IV administration, by a regular user at least without adverse effects. Therefore, I don't know for sure, but perhaps 0.5mg Naloxone per 2mg Buprenorphine would be enough to "cancel out" the Bupe, or at least it's mu agonism. Definitely an interesting idea. I would like to know the answer to this myself:

Would 0.25mg Naloxone per 1mg Bupe negate the effects of the Bupe entirely if IV'ed? What about in a non-tolerant user?

I think you had a better idea in your more recent post; skip the IV admin. and just take the sub orally, and then if you feel the need or desire to, use the Ketamine to help you feel better. Just please be careful anesthetizing yourself with IV Ketamine, if that is your plan. Withdrawl is awful, but the Suboxone should help a great deal if used correctly.
 
morphonorconic said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I see a problem with your plan as stated. If you were to use Suboxone tablets in place of IV-ready Naloxone, you will be injecting yourself with substantial amounts of Buprenorphine, which has a higher binding affinity than the Antagonist. Therefore, it would be the Bupe and not the Nalox. that would be "cleaning" out your receptors.
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One of the reasons I formed the opinion that I did.
 
morphonorconic said:
Would 0.25mg Naloxone per 1mg Bupe negate the effects of the Bupe entirely if IV'ed? What about in a non-tolerant user?
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Bupe is an incredibly strong opioid. most addicts do not realize this because of their high tolerance. giving even 1mg to a non-tolerant person will SEVERELY fuck them up. the naloxone does NOTHING.
 
^That's what I was thinking, that a non-tolerant individual could effectively abuse/IV Suboxone without suffering any adverse side effects(save any caused by IV'ing pills:o), but for an addict, even that small amount of antagonist would render the Bupe useless, if used intravenously? Naloxone is quite a potent antagonist.
 
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I have IV'd an entire 8mg/2mg suboxone to zero negative effect before.

it still isn't worth doing because you don't get high or anything, you just get the orangey taste in your mouth sorta, and you feel the bupe maybe within 5 minutes. but there is no rush or any real benefit to doing it.

and its HELLA bad for your veins. there used to be a medical report floating around here somewhere that talked about some guys in a SE asian country who were IVing subutex daily for a long time, and its BAD man. their arms were in TERRIBLE shape.
 
I'm saying not only did it not overpower the bupe, it did NOTHING whatsoever.

the suboxone doctors tell you that they put the naloxone in there to stop people from IV'ing it, but they don't tell you that bupe has a HIGHER AFFINITY for the opioid receptors than naloxone does. so essentially it does absolutely nothing.

now, I will say this. subutex is a different story. I've had both, and I can say firmly that IV'ing subutex does give you a high, a very enjoyable one at that. so maybe the naloxone does do something, but its effect is simply to block any kind of "high" from being felt via IV.
 
Right on, that is really intersting considering this is what EVERYONE thinks, Doctors, patients, and users alike. I knew, I mean we all know that Buprenorphine has an extreme affinity for your receptors, but I never questioned whether or not it's binding ability was stronger than that of the antagonist Naloxone, probably Naltrexone as well. I just assumed it wasn't.
 
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