Do cops actually plant drugs on people?

[smokeymcpot42088]

Dude, really this doesn't happen where you all live!!

I thought this shit was SOP...

Yes, this has happened to me personally. (Call BS if you will)

I got tipped off the cops were coming to raid a buddies garden, so we cleaned it all out, I mean like bleached the walls (indoors) scrubbed everything as if it were a fucking murder scene or something.

The cops get there, walk into the room and INSTANTLY emerge with a giant ass sunleaf that was "Laying on the floor in plain sight".... No fucking way I bleached that room myself, We triple fucking checked it.

I guess theres some very very very small possibility none of us in super clean mode even noticed the giant potleaf on the floor, but c'mon.

I got a few more stories of plants too, Im in MI and theres one enforcement group known for planting evidence like motherfuckers.

 

[Sentience]

Yes, the cops DO plant drugs on people. They also plant weapons on people.

Anyone who doesnt believe this happens is completely ignorant. It really happens. Perhaps not all cops are like that but some are....even the ones who are not like that will rarely betray their fraternity and turn another cop in. They would protect another cop before turning them in for abuse of power....and we are talking about 80% of the "GOOD" cops.

In Los Angeles California, the Rampart division of the LAPD was murdering people and not reporting it. They shot gang members in the street and just drove off without calling it in or calling the ambulance. There are also cops who have mafia ties and engage in shady business. A lot of vice cops are criminals themselves or were before they became narcs, or end up becoming a criminal after they became a narc. Vice cops are the most likely to plant evidence or engage in entrapment or actually talk somebody into breaking a law they previously were not going to commit just to meet their quota and put people away. It happens. Believe it.

 

[slackley]

IME the cops don't need to to this. There are no shortage of people actually in possession of illegal drugs when they run into the police. A lot of people like to use this kind of crap as justification for their reckless behavior. If we get pulled over the pigs are going to plant some shit on us anyway, so why not drive around town smoking weed and passing around a CD case with a few lines on it?? Sure it's happened before, everything has, but it's not SOP anywhere. Most of these stories come from lower level dealers trying to cover their ass and convince their boss that it wasn't their fault for being careless, it was the cops planting the shit.

 

[Khadijah]

Yo, did you read any of this thread.......its full of people givin PERSONAL ACCOUNTS of seeing it happen or havin it happen to them.

It aint a myth yo, it aint some shit that "lower level dealers make up to cover their asses".

Now you could say sure well its just somebody on the internet that said this shit, they could be lying.

But why would any of us have a reason to lie? Are we all "lower level dealers trying to cover our asses"?

This shit HAPPENS. and its on the regular, some shit that aint a rare occurence at all.

I guess you dont know about Jersey, or aint heard all the jokes over the years about how corrupt it is here. They just rounded up like 10 mayors of towns all over north n central jerz for some bribery corruption racketeering shit, and some high ranked Rabbi that was aiding illegal organ harvesting sales on the black market. and shit like that goes down constantly out here.

And NJ aint the only place thats fucked up, where the cops is shady and more of criminals than the people they arrest. This shit does happen yo, it aint a myth. And attitudes like yours, of drug users who are just as much of a target as any other, is how we stay apart and keep gettin stomped on. Who will believe that the narc cop planted dope on you when not even your own fellow drug users will, becuz they are too busy apologizing for the cops, makin up reasons why cops "wouldnt do that".....

And by the way yo...In my entire life....I have NEVER, EVER, heard of ANYBODY say some shit like "Lets drive around smokin bud and sniffin lines, becuz the cops will just plant shit on us anyways." LOL yo, WTF? Are u serious?

Do u even understand why planting drugs happens, and why people fear it? It aint got nothing to do with the shit that you ARE doing.....Its the shit u AINT doing, that u still get in some shit for anyways. It aint got nothin to do with people using "cops planting drugs" as some kind of excuse, urban legend, myth type thing to blame their irresponsible actions on. IT IS REAL, AND IT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE WHO AINT DOIN NOTHING ILLEGAL, so I dont know how you are gettin the idea that its only a idea that is believed by dumbasses who want to justify actin stupid.

Also, cops are LAZY...Why would you go out and SEEK OUT people who are genuinely breakni the law, and catchin them....when you can just find somebody and MAKE IT so they are breakin the law.

But it aint even about that--most of the time, the people that get stopped ARE semi doin something that could be criminal, whether its a junkie cruisin for dope but didnt copped yet and they get stopped....But the idea here aint that its easier or harder, its about the pride and anger of the officer, if they are the kind of cop who gotta have their way, who gotta be right, who hates to be wrong, and who will do anything to get their way, then you find somebody in a situation where the cop is mad that he aint find shit, and he "KNOWS" that this person IS GONNA do somethin illegal anyways, and if it aint now, it will be next time....So by PLANTIN some shit on them and locking them up, He aint doin nothing wrong. Hes just takni another criminal off the street. hes just protecting the public--Lets be real, I mean, he might not have drugs at that TIME, but he definately HAD or WILL HAVE DRUGS in the past or in the future, so it really aint like its that bad to do it, right? I mean, it aint like he just planted the shit on a soccer mom or something.....

And thats the line of thinking that many of these cops use....They will justify their actions however they gotta do it. thats all there is to it. It certainly aint got nothin to do with any of the shit you said in your post.

 

[Cyc]

How do said cops avoid getting a crowbar to the back of the head while in their civvies, or their house lit on fire at 2am?

I mean eventually you're going to screw the wrong person. Cop or not.. and it's not that tough to find out where someone lives. You'd think the police would have some regard for the safety of themselves and their family.

 

[phr]

Can't say how they're able to take that risk, but there are plenty of corrupt cops out there.

Here's a recent series of articles about cop corruption. The journalists just won a Pulitzer prize for the series.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/hot_topics/Tainted_Justice.html

 

[halley]

I have a few friends in Jersey who say it happens all the time there. You're getting this information third-hand by now, though, so I imagine you probably won't give too much credibility to it. But I remember even reading a newspaper article about how in Camden the courts and public and private prosecutor community have actually started seriously working trials on corrupt cops who have been terrorizing neighborhoods and communities with the threat of abuses of power. When the courts treat cop corruption with legitimacy, and lawyers think they can actually win cases against cops, that's when you know it's gotten so out of hand that even the rest of the status quo is kind of turned off by it.

Not to say effective prosecution always happen when planting, police shootings, and other abuses get out of hand. It's just that when it does happen, it only happens under those conditions, unless there's a community organization fighting hard for better prosecution.

 

[Outta Pocket]

IME the cops don't need to do this.

Cops do a whole bunch of things that they "don't need to". 'nuff said.

 

[treezy z]

i heard a story once, from a guy who said it happened to him, not "my neighbors cousin." i believe it's true.
he told me he was at a convenience store and a cop reached in his pocket with a closed fist with weed in it and pulled it out of his pocket. he got arrested.

i believe him because the cop he claims did it is notorious on the streets as a dirty corrupt piece of shit.

 

[Sentience]

IME the cops don't need to to this. There are no shortage of people actually in possession of illegal drugs when they run into the police. A lot of people like to use this kind of crap as justification for their reckless behavior. If we get pulled over the pigs are going to plant some shit on us anyway, so why not drive around town smoking weed and passing around a CD case with a few lines on it?? Sure it's happened before, everything has, but it's not SOP anywhere. Most of these stories come from lower level dealers trying to cover their ass and convince their boss that it wasn't their fault for being careless, it was the cops planting the shit.

These stories are more common than many people would care to admit.


This isnt exactly about officers planting evidence, but about them lying....

One time at a protest the police surrounded us on TWO sides...the state park troopers on the other TWO sides. The BOTH ordered us to disperse but would NOT ALLOW US TO LEAVE, even as they were giving the order....peaceful legal permitted protest....being broken up because some other march down the road had an unruly protester who spray painted a political slogan on a temporary wall that was coming down in a few days anyway.....had nothing to do with us....

Anyways, they charged us with "failure to obey" and "Failure to disperse". They claimed that they were not preventing us from leaving because they only blocked us on two sides....together they blocked us on all 4 and would not allow us to escape....next they started beating people with clubs, including old women and small children, used plastic handcuffs so tight that peoples hands turned blue, threw us onto busses for as long as 14 hours with no food or water or bathroom access, then booked us downtown and gave us FBI files after a harsh interrogation....We did nothing wrong besides holding signs in a park and played some drums. Nobody did anything illegal. Nobody was antagonizing the police.


This is not the first time that I have seen the police assault innocent people or tell lies to charge people....planting evidence might be a more blatant/extreme example, but their normal run of the mill lying isnt really much better. The cops constantly lie...I would never trust an officers testimony in court. In my experience, officers are some of the least trustworthy people you will find, worse than the criminals they are arresting. Their loyalty is to each other and their fraternity and whatever bigoted interests they serve....the truth is often altered to protect each other....rarely do cops tattle on each other....but they think nothing of doing the same to civilians.

I have met some cops who were nice to me and seemed honest enough, but I am convinced that very few cops would actually take a stand and intervene against their fellow officers if they saw abuse of power or unlawful arrest....there is too much pressure on them to back each other up and too much repercussions from the fraternity for turning each other in....they would be seen as a traitor and life would get hard for them real fast...So even the "good" cops end up being complacent collaborators with the abusers and civil rights violators. Thats why I rarely trust a cop, until he/she goes above and beyond to convince me that they are different.

 

[Khadijah]

Yea, the cops lie with smiles on their faces under oath like its their job. I think ive told this story here before, but most of yall prolly aint heard it, so heres a perfect example.

I was driving down in Garfield with my boy and I came to a intersection that looked like this:

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The black is the road, the blue is a fence that was to the left of me that bordered 2 sides of the road, and the red @ sign is the stop sign.

I was coming down the road to the stop sign and wanted to turn left out of the "T" shape.

There was mad traffic that night, and the fence in blue went riiiiight up to the road, there was no sidewalk, it just started pretty much on the side of the white line off the shoulder of the road, and it was over 8 feet high. You could not see past it to the left, without pulling into the intersection , if you wanted to turn without gettin hit.

So, I stopped at the stop sign, which was AT LEAST 5 feet back from the actual intersection, probably more. I sat there for a couple minutes stopped, cuz the traffic was so heavy.

When i saw that there was a opening comin up, i pulled up to the intersection, but I couldnt go , so i stopped again. I still couldnt see past the fence on my left, and since i was turning left, i had to actually pull out to see wat was goin on. When I saw that I had a chance to go, I floored it and pulled out into the intersection, becuz right as I had started turning, i saw a car SPEEDING fast as hell right towards me from the left, so i didnt want him to hit me.

It turned out that was a cop, and he followed me for a couple miles before he stopped me. He told me I ran the stop sign back there.

Of course I told him I didnt, that i had been stopped for atleast a few minutes there and that I had to pull out past the stop sign to see if I could go or not. I had been inching up, stoppin, inchin up, stoppin, a couple times before I could actually pull out.

he was like "YOU ALMOST HIT ME! YOU COULDA KILLED ME!" Now keep in ur mind that he was far away from me when I started pulling out, the only reason he was anywhere near me was cuz he was goin so fuckin fast, like 50 in a 35. I told him the fence on the left made it impossible to see if I had stopped or not from his point of view, becuz while it blocked my view of the road, it also blocked his view of the stop sign, so how did he even know if i had stopped or not. He said that he "knew i didnt stop becuz I was going so fast, that i had just speeded right thru the stop sign into the intersection and caused a dangerous traffic situation." and I got a ticket for running the stop sign.

So of course I went to court to fight it cuz I did not want no fucking 2 point thing on my license for some shit I aint even do.

When i went to court the first time, they postponed it, cuz the cop didnt show up. They said he couldnt make it.

The second time, they said that the cop "had a death in the family."

The third time, I heard another guy who was pleadin not guilty to his ticket ask why his officer wasnt there, and the judge told him "he had a death in the family. " 8) Anyways, wen the time came for me to go up and contest the ticket, I brought a bunch of picture of the intersection.

I had took photos of the fence from different angles, and I walked down the road that the cop had been traveling, and took pictures from 30, 15, and 5 feet away. It showed that even ONLY FIVE FEET AWAY, the view of the stop sign was still COMPLETELY BLOCKED.

Anyways, I gave the photos to the judge, and he took the cops testimony first.

The judge asked him . how did you know she ran the stop sign?

And the cop said with his hands on the bible, "Your honor, I know she ran it becuz she told me she did. I asked her why she ran it, and she said "I didnt stop, becauze nobody was coming and I thought it was safe to go without stopping."

At that point i thought I was gonna just lose my head right there on the spot and start bangin on his face with my fists, but i tried to chill and wait for my turn. I was soooo pissed I wasnt even my usual super confident self and was a little shook up just cuz I got a lil problem with my anger, once it hits me, I will lose my head for a minute, I get so pissed sometimes.

So, anyways, when it was my turn, i explained to the judge. i told him how i had been stopped for a few minute and had to pull forward and keep pulling forward, becuz the fence on the left was completely blockin my view of oncoming traffic, and that once I had started to pull out when I had my chance, the cop was driving towards me so fast that I had to hit the gas to get out of the way or he woulda hit me.

Then I showed him the pictures and explained that when the cop saw me pull out, he was at least 30 feet if not 50 feet away at the time. Then i showed him the photo of the interesection at that distance, with the fence blocking it.

Then i showed him the other 2, and pointed out that even only 5 feet away it was still impossible to see if anybody stopped or not cuz the stop sign was completely covered by the fence and that it was also dangerous for people pulling out becuz they could not see the road safely.

After cuttin me off and prety much dismissing everything I said, the judge went to the cop and showed him the pictures. (I had measured the fence, it was like 9 feet tall and CLEARLY was towering above the cars parked next to it and all along it, by several feet.)

The judge asked the cop, "How tall does this fence look to you?"

The cop said "Oh, I think its about....2 feet tall."

Then he asked his prosecutor too. the prosecutor said "Yes, i agree with the cop, it is about 2 feet tall."

Then the judge said to me "We have determined that this fence is only two feet tall, therefore, it could have had no effect on whether or not the officer could see you at the stop sign. He stated that he saw you run the stop sign, and you failed to prove any evidence of your innocence, so I find you guilty."


So then i got 2 points on my license, I had to pay like 300 dollars, AND the court fees of 35 bucks. I asked if i could appeal it, and the only way you can appeal is if you pay them FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS, NON REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT, IN CASH, ON THE SPOT. You cant sent it to them, you cant pay them tomorrow--If you wanted to appeal the decision, you had to have 500 bucks cash in your pocket, and pay it right there on the spot to be allowed to file a appeal.


Tell me that shit aint fuckin crooked as hell , yo. Later on, I got that careless driving ticket and got MORE points on my license for shit I aint do. now my insurance costs more, and when I get pulled over , I am more likely to get a ticket becuz the cop sees that I got points on my license. And I didnt do NEITHER of the things that I got the points for.


That is just one example of the total corruptness of the system here in Jerz.

The cop gave me a un fair ticket.

Then, i asserted my rights and took him to court.

And in court, my rights got shitted on, and I got found guilty of somethin that I was totally innocent of, becuz the judge, the cop, and the prosecutor all agreed that the cop didnt do nothign wrong, and that I was the one who was lying.

Do you see now why I keep trying to tell people about why "asserting your rights" when you get pulled over by a cop in the middle of Newark after coppin dope, and you try to say "I can be in this neighborhood if i want to! you cant stop me! i have a right to be wherever I want!"

You do that shit, youll end up with your ass beat or some drugs on you that you didnt have before or a shitload of expensive ass tickets , or locked up over the weekend in the county jail when you shoulda been ROR'ed cuz it was only a misdemeanor possession charge......You cant win yo, they are all shady, they are all corrupt, and they dont give a shit, THEY ARE ALL IN ON IT!!

When you go to try and fight for your rights in court about wrong shit that been done to you, like planting drugs or w/ever, you aint just fighting the dirty cop. It aint like you can be in court and be like, ahh, finally, I get my say. This judge will see how shady this whole thing is and dismiss the charge against me.

You are fighting THE WHOLE SYSTEM...The cop, the judge, the prosecutor, the DA, EVERYBODY yo.....Thats why u cant win this shit, thats the shitty part of it. most of us cant afford to fight like that. We aint got the money to get the lawyers. We cant take the risk of going to trial, and havin the corrupt ass judge in bed with the police department still find us guilty even after we been proved totally innocent. So we plea out, we just pay the ticket, we just take it, becuz we aint got the ways n means to fight back. That is the position of alot of us here, and why all this "rights" shit that means so much on paper, dont mean shit when its on the bottom of some pig cops boots gettin trampled into the ground. IN practice, our rights aint shit, and its too hard to fight for the right thing, the whole system is geared against us out here, in Jerz at least. It makes me sick, but WTF can i do?

 

[Cyc]

Well Lacey, maybe the next person he does that to isn't as nice as you are. Odds are, you keep doing that to people, your day will come.

 

[Half Cocked]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbFsZNcBeug&feature=PlayList&p=7BC0A695DD67FE1C&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=17

Uh yeah it occurs.

But with 800,000 cops in the us it isn't surprising that a small portion would be corrupt, just like there is a small portion of criminals in the total civilian population.

Lets say that 10% of cops are guilty of this type of behavior (give or take a few percentage points), this is still not an overwhelmingly huge percentage of the total cop population. So don't assume that every cop is dirty.

lets face it corruption is inevitable in any career, especially when power and wealth are involved, but I rather have a few bad cops than none at all.

 

[Sentience]

Sometimes Judges get kickbacks from privately owned prisons that have prison labor. Of course they cant call it that. You cant pay a judge to rule a certain way. However, different parties can have a 'mutual understanding', and there are favors and 'perks' that go back and forth and nobody thinks much about it.

People like to imagine this really clean and morally upright system of government....its not the reality. Getting a fair trail can often times be very difficult.

 

[TearItDown]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbFsZNcBeug&feature=PlayList&p=7BC0A695DD67FE1C&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=17

Uh yeah it occurs.

But with 800,000 cops in the us it isn't surprising that a small portion would be corrupt, just like there is a small portion of criminals in the total civilian population.

Lets say that 10% of cops are guilty of this type of behavior (give or take a few percentage points), this is still not an overwhelmingly huge percentage of the total cop population. So don't assume that every cop is dirty.

lets face it corruption is inevitable in any career, especially when power and wealth are involved, but I rather have a few bad cops than none at all.

While most cops aren't planting drugs on people to charge them, many, many more of them are giving out frivolous tickets. I consider that corruption as well, if not corruption then abusing their power.

 

[Sentience]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbFsZNcBeug&feature=PlayList&p=7BC0A695DD67FE1C&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=17

Uh yeah it occurs.

But with 800,000 cops in the us it isn't surprising that a small portion would be corrupt, just like there is a small portion of criminals in the total civilian population.

Lets say that 10% of cops are guilty of this type of behavior (give or take a few percentage points), this is still not an overwhelmingly huge percentage of the total cop population. So don't assume that every cop is dirty.

lets face it corruption is inevitable in any career, especially when power and wealth are involved, but I rather have a few bad cops than none at all.

Do you have any evidence to support the claim that its a specific percentage and not much higher or lower than your 10% or 13%? For all we know it could only be 2% or it could be 98%.

I am inclined to think that the tendency towards corruption is fairly common...not every cop is blatantly dirty, and they are not ALL just hard asses just waiting to punish people and exagerate to increase the amount of trouble you are in. Some cops are both fair and lenient, willing to let a teenager off the hook instead of bring them to jail for some petty marijuana offense...see themselves as the good guy and really want to protect people from the true criminals of society who rape and murder....

But there are different kinds of 'bad cops'.

You have the hard asses who are by the book....No, they wont plant evidence or take your drugs and use it themselves.....but they WILL profile you for being a young person or cultural minority or for being poor, may have racist attitudes or stereotypes, think nothing of roughing somebody up if they have any excuse to do so, possibly trigger happy, and of course would never question orders to crack some hippy skulls open if they were put on riot cop duty.

Another kind of bad cops are the 'dirty cops'. The ones who will bust you and turn in only half of your stash. The ones who are drug addicts themselves but engage in entrapment to put innocent people away as they use their job as an excuse to support their own habit. Vice cops are notoriously dirty like that. Some cops have mafia ties and get called to take out gang rivals. Some get paid to plant evidence or look the other way....Powerful people do exist and you can be sure they have connections in the departments....That is the classic 'dirty' cop.

Both types of cops are just as bad in my opinion. They are both dangerous and a threat to the well being of normal decent people, the youth and urban poor.

The ideal cops is both fair and lenient, is forgiving of minor offenses but gives stern warnings....He wants to prevent crime and keep people safe, but isnt out just to punish and abuse. He hates rapists and murderers and genuinely cares about people...he hasnt become jaded and lost his humanity or decided that everyone is a scumbag or potential scumbag. He believes in upholding peoples rights and would refuse to assault an innocent protester if asked to by his superiors. If obvious injustice is comiited in front of him, he doesnt participate but more importantly he would actually straighten out his fellow cops or turn them in for obvious corruption.....and this is where most of the so called 'good' cops drop the ball. Maybe they dont go and beat the poor black man who is already in handcuffs until he is brain damaged....maybe he doesnt plant any evidence and maybe he isnt a total hard ass just looking to make some kids life absolutely miserable.....but when he sees abuse in the system he remains silent. He doesnt stop his fellow officers from beating an unarmed man half to death. He doesnt make a report when an unarmed suspect gets shot in the back. He doesnt speak up when he sees someones rights being violated. When he gets called to riot duty, perhaps he holds back, but when the abuse becomes totally obvious and transparent he doesnt throw down his badge and walk away....he holds the line and does what he is told.

The number of cops who would really stick up for what they know is right against their own self interest, who are not racists or hardasses or hypocrites....those are hard to find. I think only a tiny minority would qualify. Most are at least complacent if not the primary problem.

 

[Ramirez]

These stories are more common than many people would care to admit.


This isnt exactly about officers planting evidence, but about them lying....

One time at a protest the police surrounded us on TWO sides...the state park troopers on the other TWO sides. The BOTH ordered us to disperse but would NOT ALLOW US TO LEAVE, even as they were giving the order....peaceful legal permitted protest....being broken up because some other march down the road had an unruly protester who spray painted a political slogan on a temporary wall that was coming down in a few days anyway.....had nothing to do with us....

Anyways, they charged us with "failure to obey" and "Failure to disperse". They claimed that they were not preventing us from leaving because they only blocked us on two sides....together they blocked us on all 4 and would not allow us to escape....next they started beating people with clubs, including old women and small children, used plastic handcuffs so tight that peoples hands turned blue, threw us onto busses for as long as 14 hours with no food or water or bathroom access, then booked us downtown and gave us FBI files after a harsh interrogation....We did nothing wrong besides holding signs in a park and played some drums. Nobody did anything illegal. Nobody was antagonizing the police.

That sounds like the shit that happened on Pitt's campus during G-20. More than likely the guy that caused the shit in the first place was probably an undercover cop posing as an "Anarchist" to give them an excuse to arrest peaceful protesters.

 

[Khadijah]

Well Lacey, maybe the next person he does that to isn't as nice as you are. Odds are, you keep doing that to people, your day will come.

I wouldnt really call it "nice" , yo.....It was just that I couldnt afford to do nothin else. I drained all my time and energy, goin to court 4 times to do somethin that shoulda happened in 1, spendin extra money just to plead not guilty, and then just gettin found guilty anyways, when I coudla took the plea deal they offered me at the begining and not had points and just paid a higher fine.

but no i had to be foolish enough to think that i could actually prove my point and that justice would win. After i seen the way shit went there, I couldnt afford to waste my time again. Wat was i gonna do, pay 500 dollars that I didnt have, just to be able to appeal the decision that was totally wrong and unjustified to begin with, that I never should even have to pay to have another chance becuz I deserved a FAIR trial not the fuckin JOKE that i ended up gettin.

It definately wasnt about me bein nice. It was about me bein shit outta luck, without no more options, knowing that even if i did try to fight the judgement there was a 95% chance i would end up with the same verdict agan and just have lost half a thousandd dollars without even counting the fines i paid and the insurance money that got charged extra cuz the points.....I couldnt afford to fight no more.

I forgot about this story from that day of wat happened to somebody else who pleaded not guilty. i think you will enjoy this one, it is just as ridiculous as mine if maybe not more ridiculous.

So, here is the story:

The defendant was a man who pleaded not guilty to the ticket he got for talkin on his cell phone while driving. He said he didnt do it.

Here is the officers side of the story. He said that he saw the man driving past him from a couple feet away, like 10 feet away where he was parked in a parking lot watching traffic. And that as the man passed him, he could clearly see that the man had his cell phone in his left hand, and he was talking on it.
He said that since it was in his left hand which he could clearly see from his close position, he knew that the man was talking on the phone.

So, that was pretty much the cops whole testimony--guy drove by him from 10 feet away , cop saw him talkin on the phone while holding it in his right hand.

The guy testified that this was impossible, and the cop was lying. In most cases it might be kinda hard to know who was lying since people do lie to try and get out of tickets all the time.

Except there was one little detail that the cop forgot...First of all, the man had been driving a manual, so he needed his right hand to shift and his left hand to guide the wheel while he shifted, which dont leave alot of hands to be holdin a phone with. But that aint wat I was gettin at, its just some background info.

The REAL important detail is that THE MANS LEFT HAND HAD BEEN, AND WAS STILL IN, A SOLID CAST ALMOST ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOPS OF HIS FINGERS.

He showed the judge paperwork from the hospital that showed the cast had got put on him before he got this ticket, so he could prove that he had the cast on while the ticket took place, and it was still on, so the judge and everybody else could easily see that the cast covered almost his entire hand and fingers, and that there was NO WAY IN HELL that he coulda held ANYTHING at all with his left hand nevermind somethin real small like a cell phone.

He also showed papers that pointed out that the parkin lot the cop had testified he was sitting in, where he saw the man talkin supposedly from 10 feet away, was much farther than that from the road, more like 40 or so feet, so if the cop had been parked in the lot that he claimed he was in, he could not have been 10 feet away when the man drove by him.

But still the cop insisted that he saw the man talkin on the phone, holdin it in his left hand.

Then, when the judge asked him again, and said , did you see the cast on his hand, etc, the cop was like , Oh, actually I forgot, it was in his RIGHT hand.

A couple times thru out the questioning, he changed it from left to right. He would be like "Yes, that is correct, the ri--i mean, left, hand. Yes, it was in his right hand."

The judge seemed to totally ignore the fact that the cop seemed to be pretty confused about which hand the phone had been in and went on with the case.

The man pointed out that not only did he have the cast on his left hand, but that he was drivin a manual which the cop had agreed with when the judge asked him. He explained how it woulda been impossible to be holdin the phone with his right hand either, since he had to use that hand to shift AND steer, since his left hand was pretty useless and all it could do was kinda guide the wheel while his right hand was busy shifting. The judge kinda just ignored that part tho.

So, anyways, I think its pretty clear that the guy wasnt talkin on the cell phone. It was clear to me that it woulda been impossible for him to be on the phone, it just didnt work. Left hand couldnt hold shit, right hand was busy at all times drivin the car, and the cop changed his story about which hand the phone had been in a couple times. It looked pretty cimple to me, the guy was obviously not guilty.

Well after hearing both of the testimonies the judge gave his verdict, which was.....Can you guess? GUILTY. The guy had to pay a $100 ticket for talkin on a cell phone while driving, and the cop even gave him a little lecture about how he should get one of them bluetooth headsets becuz its dangerous to tak and drive a thte same time and he lucky he didnt hurt or kill someone so he really needs to stop using his cell phone while he drives. And how hes lucky the cop decided to be nice to him and only give him the phone ticket cuz he coulda hit him with careless driving or somethin like that aswell.

It was totally, 100% obvious to me and everyone in there, that this guy had NOT been on his cell phone. the cop lied everytime he opened his mouth, about which hand the phone was in, how far away he was from the man when he drove by, and the fact that the guy was even on the phone to begin with, and the judge couldnt just find him guilty but had to add the slap in the face of scolding him for bein on the phone while he drove? Actin like he really DID it, sayin some shit like it was really real, like it really happened like that. The shti was just sick, like the judge was playin some kind of fucked up psychological game wih the dude or somethin. I dont know. But anyways ....

That was how the cases went all day long. EVERY SINGLE CASE where the defendant didnt accept a plea and just pay a higher fine, the judge found them guilty. Everybody who requested a trial got found guilty, and just that day alone, several of the cops who hadnt showed up for their cases had a "death in the family" when they didnt show up. The shit was so fuckin crooked yo.

 

[Khadijah]

also, i wanted to say but i didnt want my post to drag on so long, The thing that really pisses me off is how many of these cops is always makin threats to ppl to try and get them to snitch. sayin shit about how the dealers you buy from, the users u use with, the people u know, and everybody involved dont give a shit about u, how they are "scumbags" and wouldnt protect u, bla bla bla....

Ive had cops tell me "why are u protectin ur dealer? He just some gangbanging piece of shit nigga (except the cop didnt say it with the A at the end ) who would turn you in without givin it a second thought. You aint got no reason to protect him, (and then playin the "good cop" role for a second youre just a junkie drug user, you aint hurtin nobody, you just gotta get your high, but you aint like HIM. HE's the real criminal here. Hes out there sellin drugs and shootin people and robbin people and makin the neighborhoods dangerous..He would probably shoot you too if he thought you had enough money on you. Come on, you really think these guys give a fuck about you? They dont care about you, you aint shit to them, your dealer is just some scumbag drug dealing gang member piece of shit who should be locked away in jail, and you really wanna protect him by lying and tellin me you dont know his name cuz you just cold-copped off some random nigga on the street?.......all your "stop snitchin" bullshit, thats all a lie, let me tell you, I arrest losers like that every day, and the first thing they do is snitch on each other, its all a load of crap man, stop this bullshit about 'honor' and all that fuckin trash, youre a dumbass, why dont you just make this easier on yourself and tell me who he is? We can go down there tonight, right now, just ride in the car with me and make the deal and well bust him and you can go free. Come on, thats a good deal, I wanna help you out here, all you gotta do is help me out a little too...."

And so on.....

But yet when some cop "brother" of theirs done some fucked up shit and theres a investigation or some shit like that, all of em, every single one of them pig shits will say they dont know nothing. The notorious "Blue Wall" that suddenly goes up as soon as people start askin questions about a fellow boy in blue doin somethin wrong.

They talk shit to us, insult our intelligence, harass us, tell us we stupid and that there aint no honor on the streets, that we should start talkin and turn in our dealers to save our own asses, and of course to help "FIGHT CRIME" by takin these terrible drug dealers off the streets, you know its just to make the city a better place, its just so you can save your own ass and get outta trouble, aint nothin wrong with it, all that stop snitchin mess is just a load of bull. But then when it turns around, suddenly "no snitchin" seems to be the name of their game. Nobody will say shit, and they openly admit it that they wont rat out their "brothers", cuz its a fellowship. a brotherhood, they trust eachother, they out there every day on the streets, that its like "WAR" out there, and they just some fellow soldiers who gotta look out for each other, cuz wat kinda orginazation would the police be if they didnt stand together?

Its so obvsiouly hypocritical for them to tell all us that snitching is good, that its the smart , good, honorable, intelligent, righteous thing to do.....But for them, its a line you never cross, that if you do snitch out a fellow cop your ass will be shit outta luck....youll get moved to a shittier lower pay job in the department, youll get shunned by all the other officers, youll get mad shit talked about u behind your back, youll get sent out on all the shittiest calls, or stuck as a desk bitch somewhere, doin files and shit, youll be blacklisted not just locally, but anywhere you might go that word can travel to and people know you talked, and your career will pretty much be over once you known as a snitch, na, a TRAITOR, to the rest of the police world.

The shit is mad fucked up. If people in the drug and criminal worlds would be able to stand together stronger, and not snitch so much, and really hold our ground, the cops would have so much harder of a time tryin to get arrests and convictions and make big busts and shit like that. If they didnt have all these lil narc tips comin in all the time, if they didnt have all their CI's and other informants, it would be mad hard for them to make progress. but all they do is sit back and let the work get done for them, take their unfair advantage that they got over us cuz so many of us is turning on our own, and constantly tryina convince the ones who aint already talking, to come to the blue side and start talkin.

meanwhile all of us is screwed, completely fucked, when we try to get anywhere at all against the shady lyin ass cops that wrongly arrested or pulled over or tazered or beat or ticketed or did watever thing to us that wasnt justified. All the lies they tell all the evidence that aint real, all the made up stories and fabricated probable causes and shit like that....Its allowed to pass without nobody questioning, without sayin a word. They all protect each other, stand up for each other, make it easy to lie and lock people away for some shit they didnt do and stomp all over our rights. Its like they got this solid wall that is impossible to even make a little chip in it, nevermind break it down. The shit is so wrong but its totally acceptable in society for the cops to stick together and try and keep us down any way they can, whether or not its legal, and for them to be able to always have one up on us cuz they got all these advantages of technology to spy on us and record us and follow and track us, and they aint even gotta get the proper warrants or cause to do it cuz they know that their fellow officers will always have their back and lie to say anything they need to , to win the case and convictions.we are the 'junkie scum' and its just the natural order of things and its sad that nobody who aint also on the recieving end of all this injustice seems to be the only ones who can see it.

 

[rollingstoned!]

AHHH I just saw a movie on this that was based on real life. It took place in Texas and the whole movie dealt with cops setting up drug busts in black ghettos and planting drugs on people who had never used drugs in their life. I can't for the life of me remember the name of the movie, but it was on Xbox netflix. I'll post if I find it.