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mtxj30

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I casually take molly. Like i think I have done it under 10 times since my first time using it 2.5 yrs ago.

I planned to roll at edc friday but after reading all these threads about toxicity and serotonin syndrome im starting to get really nervous.

I usually have comedowns that are a little worse then my friends (maybe mine just hit me quick. my friend and i will take molly at the same time and i always comedown firat and mine always seems worse). Ive only had one TERRIBLE comedown

This isnt me trying to brag but how come everyone says they feel like shit for a week after rolling? the next day i do feel like im in a bad mood but it never ruins my day. one day after rolling i woke up and went straight to the gym. another time after rollng i was able to go to my 9am class.

My questions is. Should i not be worried about all the bad problems that everyone talks about on here because i try to space out my rolls atleast 2+ months. sometimes 5 months?

Does all the bad effects usually come from abuse?

i dont have a testing kit but i have somewhere between 300-400 mg for friday but its not tested so its probably not 300 mg of pure mdma.
 
I planned to roll at edc friday but after reading all these threads about toxicity and serotonin syndrome im starting to get really nervous.
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dont let the fear fool you. there are a lot of kids on this forum..
Should i not be worried about all the bad problems that everyone talks about on here
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why would you want to make other peoples problems your own?
Does all the bad effects usually come from abuse?
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abuse does lead to side effects and bad comedowns. some people are just not cut-out for mdma as some are not cut-out for alcohol, or ganja, or penicillin, or (insert substance here)

all the best :)
 
Eh, some of the horror stories on bluelight leave me scratching my head. I've been using and abusing MDMA for years, and I'm still intact, getting consistent results every time. It's up to you, comedowns are never that bad.

If MDMA doesn't seem like your thing, check out Ghb.
 
IMO an overwhelming amount of these terrible side effects are cause from non MDMA RCs that have flooded the market. Then these kids take various different unknown presses and molly that could be god knows what then place the blame on MDMAs doorstep, because hey if its sold as mdma it must be! If people were educated before they hurt themselves and tested their product, many people here would still be enjoying MDMA today!
 
there are 2 reasons you get so many horror stories here. 1 is that this is a harm reduction site and people come to warn others about how they abused in hopes that they will not go down the same path. next is that this is one of the only places in the world to get relatively relyable information and advice on the use, abuse, and cosequences of MDMA.

people come hear because they over did it and are looking for advice from people who went through the same thing so naturally you get alot of "my brain is fried...what do?" threads.

the truth is that this is not a science and it is all anicdotal. the "rules" and advice about usage have been generalized fom years of posts resulting in a guide for safe use of MDMA for the majoity of people....this does not mean in anyway that your results won't very. but if you are looking to use MDMA and have a good time without any regrets, then following the guidelines here is the best way we can gather to do it safely and with little to no ill effects.
 
For the most part yes, it's very rare that anyone experiences problems when they follow this forum's guidelines for use. 2+ months spacing should be adequate, but if you notice your side effects getting worse just bump it up to 3 months.

mtxj30 said:
i dont have a testing kit but i have somewhere between 300-400 mg for friday but its not tested so its probably not 300 mg of pure mdma.
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If you're concerned with safety, you have to get a test kit. Taking untested white powders is never safe and it's probably the number one thing that gets people into trouble. You should also lower your dose- 300-400 mg of MDMA is quite a lot.
 
rollonsafely said:
IMO an overwhelming amount of these terrible side effects are cause from non MDMA RCs that have flooded the market. Then these kids take various different unknown presses and molly that could be god knows what then place the blame on MDMAs doorstep, because hey if its sold as mdma it must be! If people were educated before they hurt themselves and tested their product, many people here would still be enjoying MDMA today!
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So true!!! If only I tested what we took id still be rolling for sure!
 
Ideally, you want to wait 1-3 months in between rolls and try not to redose.

Honestly, a bunch of people on bl are SUPER dramatic. I've been using ecstasy for 8 years and my comedowns are ok (just go to sleep) and the next day I feel a little brain dead. People are just really dramatic and paranoid here so relax--you're fine. Don't over think it-- it's really not a big deal.
 
I remember when I was like "I dont care im taking ecstasy tomorrow"

and like two days later I logged on and was like "yeah so I probably shouldnt have done that"
 
lets not derail the OP's useless question with talk of how cool I am or we'll be here all night
 
Don't think everyone suffering from these side effects are being dramatic and don't think you can put all of these cases down to kids being kids. It is very easy to say these things when you've only had positive experiences and have never suffered a very rough comedown exceeding a couple of months. These threads are popping in ED more than any of the other forums for a reason. I highly doubt the ED forum just happens to attract paranoid kids. Posters may sound dramatic because debilitating anxiety is the primary side effect people complain about - just a thought?

MOST people who have suffered have abused, some are not cut out for the drug for whatever physiological/ psychological reason and some are screwed by an RC cocktail. You will never know 100% if you happen to be one of the unlucky few who cannot handle the drug but you have to weigh that small possibility out against the countless benefits of a wonderful MDMA experience. I personally think the risk is worth taking IF you follow harm reduction practices and can trust yourself not to overdo it.

It is worth considering such a risk though because if you happen to be one of these people, the long term side effects can be very serious. If you can't handle alcohol, you will pass out after a couple of beers and throw up - then it's over (as long as you don't choke on your own puke that is)! If it just so happens that you can't handle the MDMA experience, there is a chance that you will struggle with some pretty serious problems such as anxiety and depression for a month, a year or a few years, as evidenced by several threads on this board. Some will argue this by saying that MDMA merely triggers underlying conditions such as anxiety.. but wtf that mean really? It isn't really possible to know if you are one of these people until the conditions have been uncovered, by which time it is too late. Anxiety used to be a pretty foreign concept to me...

It is also important to remember that most people don't understand what constitutes MDMA abuse until they visit a forum like bluelight. Harm reduction knowledge doesn't seem to go around the offline drug-taking community. Similarly, no one tests until they go on forums such as bluelight and find out with the consequences are of taking some of the dirty cocktails going around.

Having said that, you are a member of a harm reduction forum and have plenty of HR information at your disposal to seriously reduce the chances of anything negative happening. IMO, sensible consumption of MDMA is definitely a worthy risk (within reason - factors such as age, mental health issues etc should be considered). It will change your life for the better if you know the rules and can trust yourself to stick to the rules.
 
Just wanted to add, there are 3 things which concern me about your situation h/w

1. You are worried about rolling
2. It sounds like you are keen on taking 300-400 mg
3. you have not tested

Going into the experience with any sort of anxiety increases the chances of a negative reaction. 300-400mg is a large dose. Not testing is kinda like playing Russian roulette with your brain.

If you are gonna go ahead and take it without testing... at least keep the dose low.
 
I fucking love you dpd! You have nailed the explanation again! Over dramatic or not "MODERATION is KEY and make sure to test the product!!!
 
mtxj30 said:
I casually take molly. Like i think I have done it under 10 times since my first time using it 2.5 yrs ago.

I planned to roll at edc friday but after reading all these threads about toxicity and serotonin syndrome im starting to get really nervous.

I usually have comedowns that are a little worse then my friends (maybe mine just hit me quick. my friend and i will take molly at the same time and i always comedown firat and mine always seems worse). Ive only had one TERRIBLE comedown

This isnt me trying to brag but how come everyone says they feel like shit for a week after rolling? the next day i do feel like im in a bad mood but it never ruins my day. one day after rolling i woke up and went straight to the gym. another time after rollng i was able to go to my 9am class.

My questions is. Should i not be worried about all the bad problems that everyone talks about on here because i try to space out my rolls atleast 2+ months. sometimes 5 months?

Does all the bad effects usually come from abuse?

i dont have a testing kit but i have somewhere between 300-400 mg for friday but its not tested so its probably not 300 mg of pure mdma.
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if you are using *any* drug recreationally (or even not..) you should always be concerned with the possibility of adverse effects.. that being said MDMA is going to be one of the safest experiences in terms of fun vs. potential harm (assuming of course you know that you are getting real MDMA)...

as far as abuse, yes it is the cause of the vast majority of reports of bad effects and we know that anecdotally as a community.... there are a few of us here that have been *very* lucky to have been able to abuse large amounts of MDMA and/or abuse MDMA far too frequently and not experience any real bad effects but I want to be *very* clear that the odds are most people are not going to be able to do this.. The guidelines for MDMA usage amount and frequency are the best the community has for responsible safe use...
 
thelastclubkid said:
if you are using *any* drug recreationally (or even not..) you should always be concerned with the possibility of adverse effects.. that being said MDMA is going to be one of the safest experiences in terms of fun vs. potential harm (assuming of course you know that you are getting real MDMA)...
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I disagree. Firstly, fun shouldn't come into an assessment of the safety of the drug really. If anything, a fun neurotoxic drug is more dangerous than a mild/ boring one lol.

Secondly, any judgements about a drug's safety needs to take into consideration the context in which it is used. MDMA is relatively safe if you follow a set of rules. How many other drugs require that you need to take a 2 month break between dosages, don't redose etc etc to limit neurotoxicity? How many people know that you have to do these things to limit physiological damage? How many people think all aspects of MDMA are safer than alcohol, coke, heroin, ketamine etc?

You even admit yourself that you are "very lucky" to come out of a period of abuse without experiencing "any real bad effects". Surely, if you recognise that you are very lucky, and that most other wouldn't be as lucky if they adopted your patterns of consumption, and consider the fact that MOST ecstasy users have no knowledge of HR rules, MDMA (when taken in context, of course) isn't "one of the safest experiences"?
 
Listen to my story, it probably won't happen to you, but just hear it anyways.

I took 200mg MDMA like two months ago, only 200mg. Back then I didn't even think about the consequences of anything from it. I just wanted to try it once, just to know what it's like... you know?

I thought I would take it, get high, and be absolutely okay later. I felt a little anxiety during the high but I was FINE, I wasn't having any anxiety attacks or anything and I just thought I'd be fine in the morning. Well I was fine, just felt a little weird, until about a week later when I came home for christmas break (about 5 months ago) and had a huge depressive breakdown.

Something got triggered. For 5 months I've had fucking anxiety and problems like I've never had before. It's unbelievable really.

So that is why I will NEVER take drugs again. Before I used to be all "oh yeah, drugs are cool! wanna catch em all! In ma mouth LOL!" and I would try new drugs if I had the chance. But now I realize you don't need any drugs to have fun and live a happy beautiful life.

Fuck all drugs, I'll be lucky if I will be able to drink alcohol (alcohol is cool) again and feel the same joy I did before taking MDMA


Scare speech: over
 
WhatIsWrongWithMe said:
Listen to my story, it probably won't happen to you, but just hear it anyways.

I took 200mg MDMA like two months ago, only 200mg. Back then I didn't even think about the consequences of anything from it. I just wanted to try it once, just to know what it's like... you know?
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Did you test, im willing to bet you did not. Educate yourself first before you make such bold claims about all drugs.
 
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