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DMT/Syrian Rue Drug Interaction Question

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WaterRitual

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Greeting travelers. I guess there are two parts to this post.

Part 1 - For many years I have taken piles of psychedelics (especially MDMA) and it has no effect. My friends would take from same batch and trip balls but I go nowhere. There was a hip doctor who explained the possible reasons for this, but I won't go into that.

Part 2- A kind soul layed some straight DMT on me, which I followed directions, smoking like through a crack pipe (I don't do crack but know the drill). I got no effect at all (again). We are going to give it one more try, this time with Syrian Rue ingestion prior to the smoking.

Does anyone know of any dangers of this? I'm on xanax and seroquel, and suboxone, both of which I intend on abstaining from before the trip. I have several concerns, one being that I read that this combination turns a 20 minute journey into a 7 hour trip.

I feel that if I'm too far out there, I could always take xanax or seroquel to bring me back to earth. I will be doing this alone with no sitter and am nervous. I've never experimented with Syrrian Rue at all. Some report altered states just from that alone.

Anyway.... Does anyone have any advice for me? I've taken many many trips but that was years ago. Words of wisdom/experience would be greatly appreciated.

- WR
 
Smoking DMT while on an MAOI will not make it last 7 hours.
More like 1 hour.

The reason you are probably not feeling the drugs effects is the seroquel and xanax.
I dont recomend you absain from any of your meds because they all require you to be weened off.
 
(Things that mess with opiate receptors (suboxone) will almost all drastically attenuate hallucinogens as well.)

All 3 of the things you are on are known to deaden the ability to trip on their own. Together, they have clearly totally blocked all hallucinogenicity for you, unfortunately. You would need to be totally off all 3 of them for maybe like a month and then perhaps, hopefully, you will be able to trip. Sorry dude, but I am certain your pharms are creating a total trip block. But do NOT quit them cold turkey... this can be VERY dangerous.
 
I've experimented enough with abstaining from all 3 scripts to have a good idea of what will/not happen. Certain things bother me.... like not taking my meds for 3 days, downing 500mg+ molly, and watch my friends go into space while I sweat in the tent. I wishI knew the exact chemistry regarding my lack of swirly things and general well-being.

My main concern is mixing the Rue + DMT....are there any hazards. I used to know some really hip doctors but they are not to be found. I suppose a more minor concern is putting xanax in the mix if I want to stop or slow the way I feel. MAOI + Benzo = ?

I'm not concerned in the least regarding my scripted meds (suboxone, xanax, seroquel). If I start to feel buggy, then I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. My plans are to use as little as possible for as long as possible before the event horizon. I've had occasions where I've been out of all these meds, due to red tape or someone else's error and now have a good idea what will and what won't happen.

I consider psychedelics a sacrament and it's a never-ending frustration that my scripts are legal but safe, detailed information is illegal. I can provide many examples. Amanitas are perfectly while psilocybes are taboo. I had a friend who used to pick amanitas on a regular basis - first he needed a kidney transplant and now he is with our ancestors.

I was looking for a flag saying"don't mix the two". So far, it's full speed ahead, with my intentions being to go for it. DMT is rather rare around here. I've wanted to try DMT for almost 20 years. I was told to eat all of it and then smoke all DMT (0.5g - maybe a bit more) 1 hour later.


Peace
- WR






DwayneHoover said:
(Things that mess with opiate receptors (suboxone) will almost all drastically attenuate hallucinogens as well.)

All 3 of the things you are on are known to deaden the ability to trip on their own. Together, they have clearly totally blocked all hallucinogenicity for you, unfortunately. You would need to be totally off all 3 of them for maybe like a month and then perhaps, hopefully, you will be able to trip. Sorry dude, but I am certain your pharms are creating a total trip block. But do NOT quit them cold turkey... this can be VERY dangerous.
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Um, ok. Still even VERY small amounts of trip blockers can almost totally prevent hallucinogenic or rolling effects... its not like you can dial back dosage by 90% and expect a 90% trip. The remaining 10% might block 99% of trippiness.

I would say to really know what their effects are, you would need to be off all 3, at the same time, for at least 4 weeks. Continuously. I would bet huge that then you would be tripping your balls off.
 
Rue has been found to be quite forgiving as it is SHORT ACTING and inhibits only MAO-A. Still, one does need to research it and avoid everything that could cause issues on any type of MAOI, just to be safe as there CAN be cross-reactions.

About 3g of Syrian Rue seed (a slightly heaping teaspoon) powdered in a coffee grinder, which can be consumed straight by splitting in to 5 or 6 portions that are dumped on the middle to rear of the tongue then downed with quick gulps of some sweet strong juice like OJ or pineapple... thats plenty to activate oral DMT, wait about 45mins though after the ground Rue to eat/smoke your DMT; you should start to feel a mild but quite pleasant buzz just from the Rue at 45 mins... then you know you're primed. The ground rue is even easy on the stomach, though it might make your dumps red!
 
What I'm expecting is a given quantity of 10x extract of Rue. I was told to eat all of it and then smoke all DMT 1 hour later. It's not that I mind going into outer space - many IM Ketamine experiences @ 150cc lately - i'm just worried about cross-reactions.





DwayneHoover said:
Rue has been found to be quite forgiving as it is SHORT ACTING and inhibits only MAO-A. Still, one does need to research it and avoid everything that could cause issues on any type of MAOI, just to be safe as there CAN be cross-reactions.

About 3g of Syrian Rue seed (a slightly heaping teaspoon) powdered in a coffee grinder, which can be consumed straight by splitting in to 5 or 6 portions that are dumped on the middle to rear of the tongue then downed with quick gulps of some sweet strong juice like OJ or pineapple... thats plenty to activate oral DMT, wait about 45mins though after the ground Rue to eat/smoke your DMT; you should start to feel a mild but quite pleasant buzz just from the Rue at 45 mins... then you know you're primed. The ground rue is even easy on the stomach, though it might make your dumps red!
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even three days off your meds will not be enough to 'reset' your brain into a trip-enabled state.

the three drugs you are on are VERY POWERFUL maintenance medications, and you need to CAREFULLY TAPER with the ADVICE OF YOUR DOCTOR over the course of ONE MONTH OR MORE.

geez.
 
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