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DMT substitutes. Any other vaporizable compounds I should know of?

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VelBunny

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So, I was on the verge of acquiring some 5-MeO-DMT when it was scheduled and now it is out of my grasp once more (curses!). I have minor access to N,N and worst case could extract it obviously, but I really wanted to experiment more with vaporizable short-acting psychedelics since N,N DMT is so harsh on the lungs. Yes I know of the machine and yes it is being constructed, but I have don't exactly have lungs of leather so I'm crossing my fingers that it will be enough to allow me to break through. Aside from that, diversity is the spice of life!

Does anyone here have any experience vaporizing 4-AcO-DMT, 5-MeO-DALT, etc? How do these compare? Are there any other compounds I should look into?

Thanks!<3
 
5-MeO-DMT

If I were you, I'd DL a copy of Pikhal and Tikhal, read the Shulgins' trip reports. Not a bad read, and you get a feel for whats out there and what theyre like.
 
freebase DPT, lasts I believe an hour smoked/vaporized. Nice duration if you ask me, though I guess could be potentially a bad thing if in a rough spot. Never personally tried it, but I've heard it has a little darker tone if you will to the overall experience in comparison to DMT. That could be a good or bad thing.
 
Cloudy said:
freebase DPT, lasts I believe an hour smoked/vaporized. Nice duration if you ask me, though I guess could be potentially a bad thing if in a rough spot. Never personally tried it, but I've heard it has a little darker tone if you will to the overall experience in comparison to DMT. That could be a good or bad thing.
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vape'd DPT shattered me in a sense. I was indeed in a dark place, but being broken was what I needed
 
Another vote for DPT. I don't know why you would choose the psychs you do on the basis of smokability though.. not sure what that accomplishes.

Also I don't know why extracting DMT would be considered "worst case". It is affordable, you are assured of the purity, and it is fun imo.
 
i wouldnt suggest replacing DMT with 5-meo-DMT. they really AREN'T the same experiences by any stretch and from what i hear 5-meo is quite a bit more intense.
 
I'm happy to inform you that DMT doesn't have to be a harsh smoke at all!

People are under the unfortunate misconception that you have to smoke enormous lungfuls of DMT to breakthrough. Not true -- you don't ever have to make yourself uncomfortable. Simply keep smoking till you can't anymore. :D One trick is to mix lots of cool air with the hot smoke, by employing various techniques such as breathing through your nose while taking the hit, or opening up your lips a little so you're taking in air from inside and outside the pipe.

But, if you're looking for a DMT "substitute", I'm afraid one does not exist. I think it's very rare that any psychedelic compound has a twin sister.
 
I agree. Also, I find DMT smoke to be less harsh than MJ smoke - maybe I'm crazy, but I can take huge rips and not feel the COMPULSIVE need to hack my lungs up. Whereas when i take a giant rip of MJ, you can be sure that I'm going to cough my brains out for a good 15 seconds. Hm, I guess I just never experienced any of the smoking troubles of DMT
 
I don't think I was quite clear enough on what I meant, but I'll give DPT a try if I can find some as that seems like quite an interesting substance. :)

When I said 'substitute' for DMT, I didn't mean a substance that would closely mimic the N,N DMT headspace/experience; what I meant was simply another psychedelic with a similar effects profile (duration and intensity primarily) when taken with the same ROA. Just to clarify, I'm interested in trying these for the sake of trying them, not just because I'm having trouble achieving a powerful experience on DMT. I'm having some trouble finding information on MET however. Anybody have any links?


Also, I'm sure I'll break through on DMT once I have the machine, though I can say with confidence I've maximized the tools at my current disposal (weed, base pipe, breathing techniques, etc) and I simply cannot approach a breakthrough. I've tried from DMT made by two separate parties and the result is the same; the smoke is simply too harsh, and re-upping with more hits is not a solution as my lungs feel absolutely annihilated after a large hit (for me), and even a tiny bit more smoke is far too painful to be held. I expect and hope the machine will make this a possible endeavor for me though. :)
 
For some N,N-dialkylated tryptamines not only the freebase might be smoked but also the HCl salt seems to be suited. I thought that it was possible for DPT for instance.

DMT, DET, MET, DiPT, MiPT, PiPT,
5-MeO-DMT, 5-MeO-MET,

also 5-MeO-MiPT and 5-MeO-DALT but apparently if you smoke those you get an extremely intense flash that only lasts for a very short time and definitely not everyone recommends it.

There are reports about 5-HO-DMT (bufotenine) being extracted from a source like yopo, but it seems you need to refine it to get compounds out that produce side-effects. Some people have said that you could get a trip from this even more potent than DMT. This compound is quite rare as well as controversial though.

All tryptamines that start with 4-HO seem to be destroyed by fire/heat although it is possible that a fraction survives that might get you a little high. Still, not efficient apparently.

I am not all that sure about 4-AcO tryptamines. Been back and forth about them.
 
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You might wanna try a freeze precipitation on your spice or something, cause all the DMT I've smoked (from yellow boogers, to pure white,) has been much much smoother than marijuana to me.

Yea it tastes/ smells funky, but its never been harsh.

I have always used a "machine" if that changes anything
 
DMT has ranged from harsh acrid plastic smoke to smooth sailing for me and I am convinced it boils down to how well you are vaporizing instead of burning / pyrolyzing.
 
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