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DMT quality?
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whataboutheforests
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i'm pretty sure the white dmt is more pure, look up dosages on erowid
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I can say from personal experience, but mind you I don't have very much personal expereince in this particular matter, that orange DMT crystals are pretty strong if smoked properly, and shouldn't be thought of as "weak"....but the pure white crystal DMT always seems to give me the most crystal clear DMT trips, and definitely pack a little bit more punch.
I haven't used a lot of DMT in my time...but I thought the orange crystals provided a much more dreamy relaxed state, and it was harder to remember exactly what happened....whereas the white crystals always seem to give the craziest holographic CEV's ever, and I seem to be able to recall all my times using the white DMT a little bit more easily than when using the orange crystals. And by that I mean like immediately after I come down and I'm trying to think about what the fuck just happened.
I haven't used a lot of DMT in my time...but I thought the orange crystals provided a much more dreamy relaxed state, and it was harder to remember exactly what happened....whereas the white crystals always seem to give the craziest holographic CEV's ever, and I seem to be able to recall all my times using the white DMT a little bit more easily than when using the orange crystals. And by that I mean like immediately after I come down and I'm trying to think about what the fuck just happened.
I don't think it makes any difference - they go orange for a few reasons, one is when you re-use the naptha instead of using fresh naptha every time.
but I thought the orange crystals provided a much more dreamy relaxed state
I'm afraid that's all in your mind Wizard - the active component of both orange and white crystals is DMT so the trip is exactly the same. DMT by itself can produce a variety of different effects.
but I thought the orange crystals provided a much more dreamy relaxed state
I'm afraid that's all in your mind Wizard - the active component of both orange and white crystals is DMT so the trip is exactly the same. DMT by itself can produce a variety of different effects.
Using a heavier solvent pulls more stuff from the plant and gives you the darker coloured spice. Personally, I think that there is a real difference in effects, and I actually prefer smoking the orange stuff, and know I am not alone in this. "Jungle Spice" seems more recreational somehow, whereas the pure white stuff is better if you're looking for truly mind-blowing visuals.
Have you ever tried it in a blind test vadar? So someone loads the pipe with either orange or white and you don't see which it is? I've tried DMT from mimosa with xylene, toluene and naptha. Naptha always gives the cleanest but I never noticed any difference if it was orange or white. I always take it orally tho so I spend an hour or two under it's influence.
Isn't smoking DMT the kind of sudden-onset thing that what you have in your mind at the moment you smoke it can set the mood of the trip? Which might explain the "jungle spice" theory?
Isn't smoking DMT the kind of sudden-onset thing that what you have in your mind at the moment you smoke it can set the mood of the trip? Which might explain the "jungle spice" theory?
organicmusic
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someone I know recently accidentally used double the amount as is typical while making DMT straight to base using 400 grams of Mimosa.
Yield was 5.5 grams of orange crystals that I've seen around a lot (typically he makes only white looking crystals) and about a gram of nice white ones.
I really doubt that there could be 6 grams of even 80% pure DMT in 400 grams of mimosa, which makes me think that when stuff is really orange, there must be plant fats or plant material or something that is NOT DMT in the mix.
I'll test the two and see how much a difference in potency there is,
I do know that 40mg of truly white crystals can make me break through completly smoked properly, while 40mg of waxy orange/ yellow stuff never has been able to really get me there.
Yield was 5.5 grams of orange crystals that I've seen around a lot (typically he makes only white looking crystals) and about a gram of nice white ones.
I really doubt that there could be 6 grams of even 80% pure DMT in 400 grams of mimosa, which makes me think that when stuff is really orange, there must be plant fats or plant material or something that is NOT DMT in the mix.
I'll test the two and see how much a difference in potency there is,
I do know that 40mg of truly white crystals can make me break through completly smoked properly, while 40mg of waxy orange/ yellow stuff never has been able to really get me there.
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If you reuse the naptha the crystals have an orange colour even if you freeze precipitate. If you use clean naptha then you get white crystals.
I wonder if the cause is the red dye that sometimes gets added to mimosa to make it look redder and "more potent"?
I wonder if the cause is the red dye that sometimes gets added to mimosa to make it look redder and "more potent"?
I think I read somewhere that juremamine was unstable and destroyed by heat so it couldn't be the jungle spice active component.
Yeah me too, IIRC yuremamine was ruled out. There is a write up about some fractions on the DMT-nexus.
First of all, conclusive analysis cannot be done on sight... as a general rule. The thing making one of your samples orange and having a different morphology can be plant oils which are only impurities, or jungle spice alkaloids making your sample more potent, or even both.
For this reason there are two things to remember, one is that like with pretty much all compounds the higher the purity the better it is but the second one is that the broader the range of alkaloids that is extracted the better it is as well. At that point it is not only DMT anymore though so it depends if you count that. The best DMT I have had was extracted from MHRB by myself and recrystallized. I have made extracts ranging all the way from very orangy and flaky to beautifully white.
I also have synthetic DMT which should theoretically be the best, but I never had entity contact with that (as in: seen the elves and things like that) and I seriously found that a con.
So you see, ideal seems to be to have a mix of alkaloids the major one being DMT but not other things like plant materials. You cannot see that from the outside, but you can suspect it. Always approach a new batch carefully, every one seems to be different (though I doubt synthetic batches seem all that different).
First of all, conclusive analysis cannot be done on sight... as a general rule. The thing making one of your samples orange and having a different morphology can be plant oils which are only impurities, or jungle spice alkaloids making your sample more potent, or even both.
For this reason there are two things to remember, one is that like with pretty much all compounds the higher the purity the better it is but the second one is that the broader the range of alkaloids that is extracted the better it is as well. At that point it is not only DMT anymore though so it depends if you count that. The best DMT I have had was extracted from MHRB by myself and recrystallized. I have made extracts ranging all the way from very orangy and flaky to beautifully white.
I also have synthetic DMT which should theoretically be the best, but I never had entity contact with that (as in: seen the elves and things like that) and I seriously found that a con.
So you see, ideal seems to be to have a mix of alkaloids the major one being DMT but not other things like plant materials. You cannot see that from the outside, but you can suspect it. Always approach a new batch carefully, every one seems to be different (though I doubt synthetic batches seem all that different).
IamMe90
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I read somehwere on bluelight months ago that oxidization of DMT (which causes it to turn into an orange hue) results in some other alkaloid, I can't remember exactly what the name was (o-dmt? idk, I'm really making the name up). This would make sense to me as before I had read this, I had pure white DMT extract that I dosed about 10 times - the effects were consistently different from the orange DMT I had always extracted myself. I inadvertently let it oxidize over a couple of weeks and smoked the orange powder and this produced visuals almost identical to my own orange extracted DMT.
Who really knows though? I've noticed a qualitative difference tho every time I smoked white and orange DMT and I vastly prefer the orange.
Who really knows though? I've noticed a qualitative difference tho every time I smoked white and orange DMT and I vastly prefer the orange.
I personally never had too much trouble with oxidation since I use proper storage methods for most things I have. It's called DMT N-Oxide by the way, and it's a little less potent than DMT itself apparently although I hear it's still active. Perhaps the only difference is from pharmacokinetics and not pharmacodynamics per se.
I would not break my head over the color of my sample and the possible extent of degradation, mostly because I don't think it will do you any good anyway.
I would not break my head over the color of my sample and the possible extent of degradation, mostly because I don't think it will do you any good anyway.
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If you're doing a breakthrough dose, it doesn't matter. You won't be here anyways.
I've came across a few different purities of DMT, and I couldn't tell a difference in effects between any of them.
Do you think these other alkaloids and plant materials and red dye and what not are truly able to influence the brain when it's being overwhelmed by DMT tho solipsis? It's got to be one heck of a powerful drug for you to feel it when smoked DMT is flooding your brain.
Yes, because they only need to be able to synergize with or modulate the effects for them to become subjectively different. There are just too many reports, in my opinion, about certain extracts being more deep/serious/dark/spiritual/... and they sometimes aren't even considered red spice. From what I've heard red spice is another thing altogether. The first DMT that I ever had was actually very red (not orange or brown, but really red), but I had no frame of reference back then. It was quite powerful for something that didn't look pure, it might have even packed a punch synthetic did not have. But synthetic was the cleanest vape imaginable for me which makes sense.
Extracts consistently 'told me a story' that pretty much always involved the elves or at least their realm. With the synthetic though, it was like a lot of the elements were there and in pure or clear form... but the narrating spirit was somewhat lacking or missing. I have come across this phenomenon before and it is with mushrooms, which also tend to 'tell a story', as if guiding. There are two directions you can go from mushrooms which is towards the synthetic side (like synthetic psilocin, metocin or psilacetin) or towards the more spiritual side such as with psilohuasca. Whether I'm convinced of shamanistic principles or not, it really seems like natural products like DMT extracts and mushrooms with or without harmala incorporate modulating compounds like MAOIs but there may be other ones. OK with mushrooms by themselves it might be written off to placebo, but with psilohuasca this is certainly not the case.
Another convincing argument is that some DMT alkaloid mixtures like red jungle spice can become orally active which testifies of either MAOI activity (probably) or wholly different and novel psychoactivity. Perhaps both.
Extracts consistently 'told me a story' that pretty much always involved the elves or at least their realm. With the synthetic though, it was like a lot of the elements were there and in pure or clear form... but the narrating spirit was somewhat lacking or missing. I have come across this phenomenon before and it is with mushrooms, which also tend to 'tell a story', as if guiding. There are two directions you can go from mushrooms which is towards the synthetic side (like synthetic psilocin, metocin or psilacetin) or towards the more spiritual side such as with psilohuasca. Whether I'm convinced of shamanistic principles or not, it really seems like natural products like DMT extracts and mushrooms with or without harmala incorporate modulating compounds like MAOIs but there may be other ones. OK with mushrooms by themselves it might be written off to placebo, but with psilohuasca this is certainly not the case.
Another convincing argument is that some DMT alkaloid mixtures like red jungle spice can become orally active which testifies of either MAOI activity (probably) or wholly different and novel psychoactivity. Perhaps both.