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DMT + Moclobemide experiments

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Ismene

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Couple of recent pharmahuasca experients

Day 1

T + 0.00 - 150mg Moclobemide

T + 45 mins 150mg DMT freebase capsule

T + 90 mins. Not feeling much. Decide to take another 100mg DMT

T + 2.5 hours - Feel on the edge of something, very peaceful and content but nothing like the psychedelic arsequake I'd been expecting.

T + 4 hours - More or less over.

Conclusion was 150mg of Moclobemide wasn't enough to activate the DMT and 45 minutes wasn't enough time for the MAOI to kick in.

Trip 2

Decide to try again the following day. Not sure if ayahuasca has any tolerance but my curiosity gets the better of me :)

T + 0.00 300mg Moclobemide

T + 90 mins - 150mg DMT freebase

T + 2.5 hours - Still not feeling much. Decide it's not going to work, eat a bowl of frosties and go to bed.

T + 3 hours - Turn the light off, close my eyes and the DMT kicks in. Deep greens and blues in intricate geometric patters that gradually evolve into ever more complex structures and shapes. After looking at the back of my eyelids for about 10 mins I decide to turn on some soft light and open my eyes. The patterns in the walls are wiggling and the entire room is overlayed with shapes and patterns.

T + 3.5 hours - Deeply immersed in the most intense psychedelic experience of my life. Everything is exploding with open eye visuals, the body high is incredible, music sounds like I'm hearing it for the first time. Absolutely overwhelming.

T + 4 hours - Throw up the frosties I had earlier :\

T + 4.5 hours - Things start calming down to a peaceful, beautiful mental and physical state. Colours still rich but this is a time for peaceful contemplation.

T + 5.5 hours - More or less ready for a great nights sleep.

My first few experiences with smoked DMT led me to form a wrong impression that DMT took you to the same place as high dose mushrooms. Oral DMT has shown me that DMT is a very different animal to psilocybin and has a world unique to itself. Although I've always found psilocybin friendly, oral DMT is friendlier, more animate and ancient and the most psychedelic and cataclysmic drug I've ever experienced :)

Oh, two minor things, DMT also allows you to telepathically commune with chipmunks and to levitate 4 inches off the floor ;)
 
^-- Zoph, my friends who've tried that say it was "almost too overwhelming". .. Course, that's not enough to deter my curiosity (once I get my hands on some more elf spice!) :)

You going to write that up into a full TR?

Ismene: Cool report. I'm surprised, though -- is the Oral DMT trip really that short? (Two and half hours from peak down to baseline?) Or were you still tripping at T + 5.5h when you went to bed?
 
zophen said:
^Nice one Ismene !

Found smoked DMT a little freaky in combo with high dose (?) acid yesterday !
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Are you getting much entity contact? I had the feeling there was something there but it was hiding from me :D
 
Phew there's a question , er, no not with the acid just weirdness of a factor of about 7 on an out of ten scale!
People with faces blacked out etcetera!
Run of the mill I suppose really, but the edge from the acid had slightly unhinged me !
 
elfdancer said:
^-- Zoph, my friends who've tried that say it was "almost too overwhelming". .. Course, that's not enough to deter my curiosity (once I get my hands on some more elf spice!) :)

You going to write that up into a full TR?

Ismene: Cool report. I'm surprised, though -- is the Oral DMT trip really that short? (Two and half hours from peak down to baseline?) Or were you still tripping at T + 5.5h when you went to bed?
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Yeah I think the universe was only exploding around me for a couple of hours or so and then things seemed to calm down to a state that was still tripping but a helluva lot calmer. But it's possible I lost track of time a little. I'm only a novice with this stuff at the moment - need to do a bit more exploring :)
 
zophen said:
Phew there's a question , er, no not with the acid just weirdness of a factor of about 7 on an out of ten scale!
People with faces blacked out etcetera!
Run of the mill I suppose really, but the edge from the acid had slightly unhinged me !
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Agh! Beware the people with the blacked out faces :D

I just had the overwhelming feeling that something was talking to me and asking if I had any problems it could help to sort out.
 
Your description of blacked-out faces reminds me of the film "They live" ...*sorry off-topic*

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I just had the overwhelming feeling that something was talking to me and asking if I had any problems it could help to sort out.
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Yeah I get you on that one!



The photo aint bad to convey the general impression, but by black I mean deep absorbent blackest black!
 
Ismene said:
I just had the overwhelming feeling that something was talking to me and asking if I had any problems it could help to sort out.
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I definitely get the feeling that Whatever there is is All-knowing and that there is an answer to every question. I just wondered whether I'd always be satisfied by it... the answer the Thing was hinting at being a bit too evasive/oracular for my inquisitive restless mind.

sounds like a benevolent force the way you perceived it... do you feel it helped with anything specific or was it just a feeling that you chose not to act upon?
 
Ximot said:
I definitely get the feeling that Whatever there is is All-knowing and that there is an answer to every question. I just wondered whether I'd always be satisfied by it... the answer the Thing was hinting at being a bit too evasive/oracular for my inquisitive restless mind.

sounds like a benevolent force the way you perceived it... do you feel it helped with anything specific or was it just a feeling that you chose not to act upon?
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Oddly enough whereas mushrooms always seem to concentrate on your mental state, the DMT's first concern was any aches and pains I had physically. So I'd think about an ache I had and then I would feel it rush off to check out that part of my body :)
 
zophen said:
^It was weird and freaky (at times) The acid trip is more worthy of a report than the DMT on top of it!!!!
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Are you half-pondering becoming the first human in recorded history to take LSD and DMT pharmahuasca? Or would that simply be too silly? :D
 
Ismene said:
Oddly enough whereas mushrooms always seem to concentrate on your mental state, the DMT's first concern was any aches and pains I had physically. So I'd think about an ache I had and then I would feel it rush off to check out that part of my body :)
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Oh I get your drift. :)

So far, DMT at anything beyond the lowest doses has been too much of a dissociative for me to think much in terms of body... maybe it just takes more experience, I still consider myself a near-novice in the DMT realm. Even though, on some level it does make me aware that I do have a body and that this body mirrors the whole universe... I can imagine zooming into a particular galaxy or something within there and see how it's all connected...
DMT is certainly very "(w)holistic" in every sense of the word, imho :)
 
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Are you exploring DMT through smoking at the moment Ximot? Perhaps oral DMT gives you a bit more time to find your feet and explore things at your own pace. Smoking just skyrockets you out there.

Pretty impressed with the afterglow too - 3 days later and I feel absolutely wonderful physically and mentally.
 
Yeah that's one of the reasons why i'm pondering combining the two, think it'd be a good mix. Probably leave it till about 3 or 4 hours into the Sid before starting with the oral DMT. I think if the DMT kicked in 6 or 7 hours into the acid you'd still be sensitive but wouldn't be pinned to the seat with the intensity.

And I could stake my claim in history as the first man to do it :D
 
LSD helps me much in the same way too. Excellent afterglow for min. 2 days and a tendency to carry this with me in my outlook for considerably longer. Till old habits break through again ...

DMT- smoked only, so far. . .
 
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