• Psychedelic Drugs Welcome Guest
    View threads about
    Posting RulesBluelight Rules
    PD's Best Threads Index
    Social ThreadSupport Bluelight
    Psychedelic Beginner's FAQ
  • PD Moderators: Esperighanto | JackARoe | Cheshire_Kat

DMT in propylene glycol E-Cigarette ?

Visitor Q

Visitor Q

Bluelighter
Joined
Feb 18, 2010
Messages
342
Location
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.
Good day fellow bluelighters,

I have been doing some amateur research into new and friendly ways of administering certain chemicals, such as DMT and other harder to dose substances such as 5-MeO-DMT and 5-MeO-MiPT.

I stumbled on an organic solvent called propylene glycol. Propylene glycol has many applications, it is used in smoke machines because when heated and vaporized, it produces a thick non-toxic vapor. More recently, it is used in these "E-Cigarette" (electronic cigarette) products. The cigarette device works with disposable cartridges containing nicotine and flavoring in a propylene glycol base.

When you inhale through the device, it heats up the nicotine/flavor/propylene glycol solution and emits a thick vapor making the administration of nicotine healthier, whilst keeping the pleasure of inhaling it. Another advantage is that since it is smoke-free, not only is there no second-hand smoke but also you can smoke in non-smoking areas such as a movie theater.

This is where I got my inspiration. Imagine using this device with a solution of DMT/mint flavor/propylene glycol. Not only does it ensure that all of the drug in question is vaporized and not burned but it also allows for pleasant flavors to be added and makes the whole process a lot less suspicious and a lot more user friendly than regular known methods (like the crack-pipe and "The Machine").

Also, propylene glycol works for dissolving chemicals which are not hydro-soluble (cannot be dissolved in water). And we all know that creating a solution makes the dosing process easier by controlling concentration.

Sounds to me like the way of the future. Hmmmmm... let's see, today I think I'll pop in my 5-MeO-MiPT cartridge into my psycho-cig.

Any thoughts?...
 
It would be nice but the issue is getting an active dose out of one cartridge.
Maybe multiple cartridges would do the trick.

I think 1ml of liquid equals roughly the nicotene content of one pack of cigarettes. The e-cigs are really effiecient and I don't think you could get enough DMT in there. It would be great id it did work though.
Maybe if the make E-cigars you could do it.
 
How about if you just put one dose at a time of whatever drug... I actually thought earlier of trying this with my e-cig and some JWH ... on the back end of the cartridge material, keep it vertical so it does not spill, stick it in the e-cig (this end of the cartridge is what is exposed pretty much directly to the heating element) and inhale hard. The vapor does NOT pass thru the entire catridge... the way they are designed is that the stuff on the media on the cartridge is vaped there then the vapor is drawn out of this chamber by suction and thru little holes around the OUTSIDE of the cartridge and into mouthpiece. Should work.
 
Opiyumphile, you think one cartridge could not hold enough DMT?... You may be right.

The cartridges are designed to hold, like you said, roughly the equivalent of one pack of smokes. That means that you're getting at least a hundred decent lung-fulls, I would imagine.

I don't think the solution is saturated with nicotine as that would be much too strong, nicotine being dosed at around 1 mg per dose. I think the question here is; how much propylene glycol is vaporized in one lung-full? and how much DMT can be dissolved in such a quantity?

If the saturation level is such that you would need to finish an entire cartridge of propylene glycol solution (many, many lung-fulls) in order to consume, say a 40 mg dose of DMT, that makes it rather useless and impractical indeed. But if you can get at least 10 mg of DMT per lung-full... that would be perfect would it not?
 
Visitor Q said:
Opiyumphile, you think one cartridge could not hold enough DMT?... You may be right.

The cartridges are designed to hold, like you said, roughly the equivalent of one pack of smokes. That means that you're getting at least a hundred decent lung-fulls, I would imagine.

I don't think the solution is saturated with nicotine as that would be much too strong, nicotine being dosed at around 1 mg per dose. I think the question here is; how much propylene glycol is vaporized in one lung-full? and how much DMT can be dissolved in such a quantity?

If the saturation level is such that you would need to finish an entire cartridge of propylene glycol solution (many, many lung-fulls) in order to consume, say a 40 mg dose of DMT, that makes it rather useless and impractical indeed. But if you can get at least 10 mg of DMT per lung-full... that would be perfect would it not?
Click to expand...


Yeah I think you're right. Only thing to do now would be to give it a try.
 
greenberryhaze said:
If it's helpful, you can overdrive an e-cig with a 9V battery and get one hell of a big hit. I'm guessing it still won't be enough.
Click to expand...

Damn, so it's just a restriction of freakin' volume....
Cause a gram of DMT (20 - 40 doses) in a cartridge of propylene glycol, ready to vaporize anytime, anywhere in a handy e-cig with a minty taste would be A-W-E-S-O-M-E.

And I thought I was onto something..... :p

Let's create that e-cigar!! Then we got enough room fo-shizzle!
 
Yeah it would be really great to have something like that.
You could then break through on a moments notice virtually anywhere without anyone knowing.

I would think this might be possible with a potent synthetic cannabinoid or maybe even 5-meo-DMT but even then I imagine one active dose would be the limit.

I know there was a lot of talk at the Nexus about using Nebulizers, which in essensce is a vaporizer of sorts I think, and I don't know what came of that but maybe you can find some info there about it.
 
How about those iolite portable vaporizers?...
(No, I'm not giving up... hehe)

iolite-vaporizer-animation.gif


Does anybody have experience with these devices? Can they be used in any way to vape crystals such as DMT or other tryptamines/phenethylamines ? I'm guessing that a DMT solution absorbed in plant matter such as dehydrated parsley and then dried into it might work since I don't think a liquid solution (such as the DMT/propylene glycol solution) can be put into the chamber of these things.
 
I've put JWH-210 in propylene glycol & it worked pretty well. Dunno how effective this would be for things that require a dose of more than a few mg though. You should check out some e-cig mods. There are some that have a chamber with an mL or two of liquid that look kinda like the vaporizers above but smaller. There are entire forums dedicated to mods, i'm sure you could find one that would work.
 
I'll look into getting some propylene glycol and if it's cheap enough and easy enough to obtain I'll run some solubility tests on DMT, JWH-081, -250 and -018.
 
In time the DMT experience will be called 'the businessman's cigarette break trip'.
 
Quite a bit of my e-juice is wasted in the e-cig contraption, but I would like to know how this works!
 
I buy my e-juice at TastyVapor, and they sell propylene glycol 100% USP grade and vegetable glycerin (for improved visible vapor) 100% USP grade. Here's a link to the page: http://www.tastyvapor.us/-c-9.html?TVid=187113554301380aae40fdc72ebc853d. It's easier to use if you can see and feel the vapor. If you hit and hit and hit on it, you can absorb way more of the substance than you intend thinking you're not getting anything. They have delightful flavorings for your gadget as well. Tasty and psychedelic! They're good people; I've been buying from them for some time now.
 
Good idea, but quite frankly the dosage is just way too high, you would have to sit there and puff the entire contents of the liquid to get a single dose, which, if it doesn't make you nauseous first will take entirely too long to properly inhale.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top