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DMT has HUGE body load. Is that normal?

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Hey,

I thought I'd ask some of the DMT experts here a question:

What is the body load of DMT supposed to be like?

I ask because I have recently extracted some DMT from the "DMT for the Masses" tek. I must note that I skipped the ammonia wash at the end because the author mentioned later that it wastes too much product and that a sodium carbonate wash should be used instead. I have yet to run out and get some sodium carbonate, so I have been smoking the unwashed DMT. Based off of a couple DMT-Nexus posts it doesn't seem like skipping the wash is that detrimental, but I would like a little bit more confirmation than two posts :P.

Essentially, when I smoke the DMT I experience some level of a trip (have yet to breakthrough), but along with that is a pretty uncomfortable body load. I just am pretty overcome by a heavy synthetic feeling, the taste and the smell doesn't help either. There is definitely a not-so-pleasant body load, a physical feeling that is so bizarre that I find that I can't really describe it. It is just a really foreign feeling so I have a hard time recalling describable components of the body load.

My question to you guys is, is this body load normal? Is there a pretty intense body load associated with DMT, or do I need to wash the DMT?

Right now I can't see how it can be anything but the DMT that is making me feel like this. The product itself looks perfectly fine. Nice and white, with the slightest tinge of yellow. There is a bit of lye in the powder. I messed up separating the naptha from the lye by sucking a little lye into my turkey baster, which I was using to skim the naptha off the top. Keep in mind, this couple of drops isn't 100% lye. It's a mixture of water, lye, and whatever the bark decided to add to the mixture. With that in mind, also consider that lye combusts at a very high temperature, VERY high, so it's unlikely to even enter my lungs.


So what's up?! Does DMT have a weird body high associated with it or do I need to wash this stuff?
 
The body load depends on the dose / intensity and also method of administration and purity. Pure product seems to limit the load somewhat... good vaporizing technique also limits it since combustion products and the negative sensation of impurities can give you discomfort...

But there is also a quality that is often compared to an elephant sitting on your chest/head or entire body. With 5-MeO-DMT this is supposed to be even heavier.
Types of body dissociation can floor you which is seen in Salvia, ketamine and DMT analogues as well as other psychedelics. It can be explained but not that easily, part of it is loss of motor function control simulating almost paralysis - the immersion of the experience also just takes you away from your body and overpowers the feedback systems of proprioception.

So I would say it is common but the intensity of the bodyload can range from a pleasurable strong body high to loss of feeling of the body and being floored to massive pressure.

Don't know how others experience this but I've had different effects on different occasions.
 
Solipsis said:
The body load depends on the dose / intensity and also method of administration and purity. Pure product seems to limit the load somewhat... good vaporizing technique also limits it since combustion products and the negative sensation of impurities can give you discomfort...

But there is also a quality that is often compared to an elephant sitting on your chest/head or entire body. With 5-MeO-DMT this is supposed to be even heavier.
Types of body dissociation can floor you which is seen in Salvia, ketamine and DMT analogues as well as other psychedelics. It can be explained but not that easily, part of it is loss of motor function control simulating almost paralysis - the immersion of the experience also just takes you away from your body and overpowers the feedback systems of proprioception.

So I would say it is common but the intensity of the bodyload can range from a pleasurable strong body high to loss of feeling of the body and being floored to massive pressure.

Don't know how others experience this but I've had different effects on different occasions.
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This is the exact way i would describe the body load i get when i smoke dmt, certainly a strange feeling
 
I've had some DMT which has a body load, and I usually think that I messed up extracting somehow and I start over. For me it is a weird head pressure, and I don't like it. Normally DMT has no body load for me, so maybe it is because you didn't wash it.

I've never ammonia washed my STB extractions, and I usually get DMT with little body load. Hope this helps.
 
kinda makes me re-evaluate my desire to try DMT
the elephant sitting on me feeling

if i was going to extract my own DMT, i would be sure to follow all the steps. including the wash. that's my guess as to why it makes you feel like shit. i'm no expert though at all
 
Don't do ammonia wash, that just wastes lots of product. Instead do a sodium carbonate wash, to DMT dissolved in hot naphta/heptane, then recrystallize by freeze precip.

ps. you can get pure white crystal without washing / recrystallizating. It's not necessary to wash or re-X unless you have impure or lye-contaminated product.

The lye contaminant is the most probable source of discomfort at smoking. For me, whenever I've had DMT contamed with lye, smoking it has been really harsh.
 
whatever happened to just plain old drinking ayahausca? why go through all that extraction trouble, I guess I could see someone not wanting to drink aya if they are on other meds because of the maoi factor, but myself I want to try aya the way it's meant to be tried
 
There is a possibility that your final product may have some degree of 5-HO-DMT (bufotenin) in your final product, depending on what plant material you were extracting from. Were you extracting from a plant product that contains any bufotenin, as several DMT bearing plants do? I ask, because the body effects mentioned seemed identical to those of adananthera-based snuffs like cohoba, which have all given me the lead-suit compression-effect to some degree.

Just throwing that out there as a possibility.
 
yeah, I'm also interested in body load, and if the other alkaloids bring about a body load. I use Mimosa Hostilis, and I wonder how much Yuremamine is a part of my product, and how that affects the body load.
 
I panicked abit the first time I smoked it due to the extreme body load (but I smoked a massive dose)

So much so I was scared to try it again! I felt the urge to be sick as well.
 
I never had any body load. DMT always felt really clean for me.
 
I think you may have misunderstood what I mean by body load.

When I smoke it I get some sort of huge rush, but it was so intense I freaked out a tiny bit (until the elves reassured me...)

That rush I get all over my body is what I call body load.
 
I've smoked extracted n-n a few times, including several +++ and one complete breakthrough loss of ego/consciousness.

It's got an amazing body high to me. Absolutely amazing. That's how I (accidentally) had my ++++ experience. I kept hitting it because it was so pleasurable. Almost like an opiate.

This DMT was 100% lye free.
 
The lye causes the smoke to feel harsh at lungs, it doesn't cause other body load or any of the body high.

Personally I find the body high on small doses nothing but pleasurable and relaxing. On large doses I'm too distracted to notice any body feelings...
 
nuke said:
I never had any body load. DMT always felt really clean for me.
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same here. it has a great body high though. and it makes your limbs feel heavy and make you want to lie down and close your eyes :). the heaviness dissipates if you stand up and move around instead.
 
on 5-meo-dmt the body load felt like my veins turned to stone before my head ruptured and my vision shattered into a fractalize pattern of light
 
I gotcha. It's the buzz that's too strong and overwhelming to enjoy. Feels a bit like your skin's on fire right after you hit it sometimes... then smooths into something a bit more comfortable, for me anyway.

Of course this psychedelic-rush, which some enjoy and others learn to enjoy and others simply can't enjoy because it's too intense, is a result of getting so high so quickly. Oral DMT doesn't give such a fast paced buzzy firey rush, it feels closer to a low dose of 4-ho-DMT (Psilocin, the good stuff in shrooms). Very smooth on the body in terms of "buzz" although you may feel some very strange frequencies and variations in the type of buzz as related to your state of mind.

I basically agree though, this is normal. Either you can enjoy it or not. Pure vs impure DMT, there's really no difference here. Impure DMT will make it a harsher smoke but have no affect on how it feels or makes you trip. You could smoke DMT that looks like snowflakes and it will have basically the same effect.

5-meo-DMT may be something to consider. I find it's body rush to be much milder and transparent than N,N-DMT. But also consider that higher doses of N,N-DMT will not really give you much more body sensations... that effect sort of flatlines at the point where the trip can really take off. And it's beyond this point where you're most likely to come to realize most of the benefits of DMT and likely even come to love it's body sensations... which in my experience can range from feeling like you're on fire and want to crawl out of your skin to total and utter ecstatic/spiritual/bodily bliss.

Actually I think once you get past 25mg or so it's unlikely you'll be too focused on the body sensations as it becomes rather synergistic and the beauty of one's imagination can easily transform into bodily ecstasy.

But yeah, Psilocin and Psilacetin feel better and are more useful forms of DMT to me. And 5-meo-DMT blows it away in every category except massive visuals.
 
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