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DMT Deja-Vu

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Azurite08

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Long time lurker, first time poster here, hello everybody. I often see it mentioned, but rarely discussed, how the DMT experience often seems overwhelmingly familiar, like "you've been here before." I've experienced this many times myself, to the point where even thinking about the DMT trip sometimes can trigger this strange sense of deja-vu (sometimes accompanied by random childhood memories, almost like they fell off the shelf of my unconscious).

To me, this is easily one of the more interesting and mysterious aspects of the experience. Does the human brain form in some kind of DMT state in utero, or something like that? Or is it just the endogenous nature of DMT and its purpose that seems familiar upon taking it in drug form? I just want to hear your guys' opinions on this phenomenon.
 
Unfortunately, nobody knows.. There are plenty of theories though.

I'm quite sure that DMT plays an important role in our brains and I sure hope somebody soon will make some research!
 
Perhaps it is because you have been there before?

I too hope that science will someday conclusively cross paths with these magnificent compounds. What can be found can and probably will change the common sense perceptions of everything, that much I can be sure of.

Who really knows though, it's far too broad and mysterious to speculate with any real validity.
 
Dreams are used to reflect on things that occured while you were awake so maybe this has something to do with it
 
^n,n-DMT feel far from dreaming..
Melatonin, IMO, feels exactly like dreaming and it has been proved to paly a huge role in REM sleep(state where you dream the most).

I think there are some pretty good theories in the documentary "DMT - The Spiritmolecule" about DMT having a great deal to do with consiousness, even shared maybe between animals(and humans) and plants.

The only thing I'm positively sure about, is that DMT isn't just "physical noise". I has to be in all of us for some reason.

//blazR
 
The timing of this thread is rather interesting..

I havnt used DMT in years but I do relate to the familiarity of the experience with the sense of been here before.. well we've always been 'here', DMT seems to act as a reminder.

Anyway, on the topic of deja-vu.. I've been traveling Europe on my own for the last couple of months; and the other night in Barcelona I was standing in the hostel room speaking to a guy from America, and all of a sudden I felt like I had been struck by lightning.. I had an intense overwhelming feeling of familiarity, I realized I had this very conversation in this exact room before, but paradoxically it was the first and only time because time itself seemed to collapse into the now/here.

I was ripped right into the present unexpectedly and lost all sense of self, I almost broke-down because of the realization that I've always been here.

For this to happen so randomly out of nowhere without the influence of substances is just astonishing. It really did feel like an explosion within me, which was triggered by the sense of deja-vu.
 
It's a very powerful, unique experience and you do feel some familiarity with it. Perhaps the intense euphoria and well-being reconnects you to some deep feeling from years ago.
 
i reccomend you read some of rick strassmans book "DMT the spirit molecule"

DMT is released at least twice in ones lifetime, birth and death. PLus with it being the spirit molecule and such it is all around us.
To mee a DMT expierence does not necessarily seem deja vu like but more lucid and clear headed at times than when completely sober. But LSD and other compounds do the same for me.
Maybe the deja vu is real since technically you have expierenced that frame of consciousnees before at least once in this life time. And if you believe in reincarnation than you have expierenced the DMT flash throughout numerous lifetimes.
 
illusion26 said:
i reccomend you read some of rick strassmans book "DMT the spirit molecule"

DMT is released at least twice in ones lifetime, birth and death. PLus with it being the spirit molecule and such it is all around us.
To mee a DMT expierence does not necessarily seem deja vu like but more lucid and clear headed at times than when completely sober. But LSD and other compounds do the same for me.
Maybe the deja vu is real since technically you have expierenced that frame of consciousnees before at least once in this life time. And if you believe in reincarnation than you have expierenced the DMT flash throughout numerous lifetimes.
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There is no evidence to suggest DMT is released at birth and death. The only semi-reasonable rumour perpetuated as fact about DMT is the idea of it being found in the pineal gland, and the only reason I say that's semi-reasonable is because something with as close a structure as Melatonin is found and produced there. That said though: DMT being produced in the pineal gland, DMT being released during dreams, DMT being released during birth/death are all theories, unsubstantiated ones.
 
Agreed! None of the theories are proven, unfortunately.

But IMO it's a pretty damn good theory about DMT being produced by the pineal gland.
 
While I have never personally experienced the deja vu ( though I have with Lady Salvia) My friend today tried some changa while we were on break at work.
The entire time he stared at the trees saying "I know, I know", then when it was all over he had a cig and kept repeating I've done this before and deja vu.

It seems that these extremely altered states are somehow a states that we where "meant" to reach, perhaps this is why it seems so familiar
 
I know what you mean, to me the effects of DMT feel like coming home. I think that the reason it seems familiar is that it is, because a psychedelic drug causes your mind to be altered, but it is still your mind. Those places you visit, those entities you contact, are manifestations of your self, and you recognise them because you create them.
 
I don't think it has anything to do with us having naturally been in a state of consciousness similar to that one before.

What I see is a slew of individuals forgetting that the brain is an extremely complex observing and analyzing machine. These feelings of deja vu are obviously present naturally and are felt under certain circumstances, the similarities and correlations between such we have no idea. But the feeling is produced chemically by receptor agonism/antagonism or changes in neuron transmitter activity, or whatever, this is all speculation.

To say that because we feel the output of certain unknown natural inputs because DMT is correlated and part of those inputs is, in my opinion ridiculous. To me, DMT just happens to produce that same chemical change to produce deja vu in it's course of action.

Also, reading above about it being manifestations of our mind that we recognize, I can support that theory as possible. And label it extremely interesting and thought provoking.
 
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illusion26 said:
DMT is released at least twice in ones lifetime, birth and death.
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In the case of death, I don't think that DMT is "released" - i.e., They are not secreted. I think it's more like that DMT is usually involved in providing "normal" consciousness and body senses. When there is no longer a physical body to run, "our" consciousness is no longer taken up by other things.

With birth I think that it has to do with the fact that the fetus has been operating on the level of an organ and is thus much closer to the nervous system in communication levels.
 
When I first broke through on 5-MeO-DMT it was less of a feeling of having been there before than a feeling of always having been there, of having been there all along. This makes perfect sense if you consider how profoundly your sense of time is altered in such a state. If you lose sense of yourself as a being-in-time then you can only ever have been exactly where you are - you cannot conceive of a time when you weren't there because time itself has stopped existing for you, or at least lost its coherence as a concept. You can't experience the breakthrough as a 'new' experience because the categorical difference between 'novel' and 'familiar' ('present' and 'past') has been destabilized.

Or maybe it's something completely different. :)
 
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