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DMT as an introduction to psychedelics

ttownlcb2 said:
then DMT is setting them up. Most PDs last hours and if you can't survive the trip and learn how to talk yourself back to a good place, then maybe this is not the drug for you. After starting with shrooms, I took some dot in anticipation of going to a concert (I had never tripped in public and wanted to know what I was facing) it was pretty intense and at a point where it could have turned bad, I remembered my friends advice. Just remind yourself, where you are, and that you are ok. I calmed down and ended taking a bit less at the show and had a great time. I think the short duration of DMT is not indicative of the normal PD experience and if someone really wants to know what it is like to trip you are doing them a disservice by starting them with DMT. If you can't hang, you should not ride.
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I can see where your coming from but I disagree 100% on that if you cant handle the 8-12 hr ride then psych's arent for you. Many people love psychedelics but hate how long they last, im not one of these people but I dont believe at all that im setting them up for a bad experience, im preparing them for what is to come. This may be your opinion but its not mine. These people are very naive toward a lot of drugs, not just psych's, they think psychedelics make you see pink elephants and all that crap. This first experience is basically to see whether they can handle a whole 8-12 hour trip, I believe just giving one of these people acid for their first time would land them in a mental hospital because after 5-6 hours(when they think its been 15 hours) theyre gonna start thinking they'll never come down and the manifestation of negative feelings and thoughts will snowball from there. LSD has a reputation around here that you can end up stuck in a trip i.e the trip never wears off. DMT has a good reputation so at least they will feel comfortable knowing they will come out of it.

I have made my decision and so have the participants and theyve agreed that 20mg vaped is the way to go.

Thanks from the help from everyone.
 
5-MeO-DMT is an incredible psychedelic, its just probably the most "advanced" psychedelic in existence and not something to take lightly by any means. DMT is much more recreational, and much more suited as an introduction. :)
 
the_ketaman said:
Is a small dose of DMT, like no where near a breakthru dose a good introduction for someone because A. It doesnt last as long and B. you can sort or titrate the dose which you cant do accurately with acid or mushrooms.
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Those are exactly the reasons I think low dose smoked DMT is an excellent introductory psychedelic.

That, and the safety profile can't be beat. That, and if they like it, they can always double the amount half an hour later ;)


While I personally find 5-meo-DMT to be an even less threatening-feeling experience than N,N-DMT (easier on mind and body, actually)... it would be much more difficult to predict a proper introductory dose and reactions are likely to be far more varied. Could be a good way to scare people off psychedelics for the rest of their lives if they have no other psychedelics to compare to as a frame of reference.
 
I actually find low dose DMT to be somewhat uncomfortable. I get a weird clammy feeling in my body and in the pit of my stomach accompanied by a generally strange headspace.

I don't really get euphoria until higher doses, particularly the comedown of a breakthrough or slightly sub-breakthrough dose gives amazing euphoria.


I would say that about 25mg would be a decent first experience though. It will give them a good idea of the general psychedelic experience and its potential without having to commit to a 8-12hr trip.

I still think a more traditional psychedelic is preferred for first timers instead of the relatively rare DMT. On the other hand, I also see how it could be good for someone who is apprehensive about the fact that LSD or mushrooms lasts so long that if they end up not enjoying it they would have to ride it out for several hours.
 
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Ketaman, all I am saying is that I don't think that DMT is your "typical" PD experience. Don't get me wrong, I love it. I just think as a first exposure, it is not giving you the whole experience. That said, I hope you and your friends have/had a great time and I hope your friends continue on to other and interesting times.
 
I have only smoked DMT 3 times so far, and all of these were just shy of breakthrough (I was in a different dimension, but didn't crack the veil). At least for these sub-full-breakthrough doses, I don't see how anyone would call this a taste of the psychedelic experience. Don't get me wrong, it was intriguing and I can't wait for a full breakthough, but if I had experienced this before mushrooms (my first psychedelic) or 2c-e (my second) I would NOT have had ANY inkling of what a classic psychedelic experience was like.

DMT may be fine for a first timer... but not as a way to introduce them to psychedelics in general. At least not for me.
 
can't handle the heat? stay out the kitchen.

I hope you don't just give them the drugs without telling them what to expect.
it sounds like you want them to try psyches but don't want them to experience them fully?

what
 
Anyone ever tried 4-acetoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine
4-AcO-DMT fumarate? How does it differ from 5meo?
 
Nothing like it, it's psychedelic mushrooms in pure form, basically... well, it's psilocin anyway. I know people who rate it as there's less nausea than with mushrooms.

Not tried DMT before, but whilst intense I think the short duration might be fairly positive for a first trip, especially as it doesn't seem so.... crushing as something like salvia, which can be fucking scary.
 
Riklet said:
Nothing like it, it's psychedelic mushrooms in pure form, basically... well, it's psilocin anyway. I know people who rate it as there's less nausea than with mushrooms.

Not tried DMT before, but whilst intense I think the short duration might be fairly positive for a first trip, especially as it doesn't seem so.... crushing as something like salvia, which can be fucking scary.
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Cheers for that matey, i never knew it was like mushrooms. Probably wont botehr with it then.
 
Anyone tried the Phalaris? Maybe I'll do a search for Phalaris on this site...what a concept. I have fields of the stuff all around me.
 
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ttownlcb2 said:
I personally think DMT is too intense for first time trippers.
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absolutely not. the thing with dmt is that unlike with virtually every other psychedelic you can titrate your dose very efficiently. with acid or shrooms redosing too early can lead to too intense trips as you can't judge the intensity of the peak during the comeup and if you redose when you can already judge the intensity, redosing is just going to extend the duration.

with dmt: you smoke a little -> you feel some indistinct pleasantness ->
you decide to smoke a little more -> you are feeling quite stoned, see colors as more intense, and have a huge grin on your face ->
you decide to smoke a little more -> you are now tripping properly with visuals, psychedelic thought patterns and a lot of laughter ->
you decide to smoke a little more -> laying down and closing your eyes to watch the colorful cinema is the only right thing to do. you could easily forget about your surroundings ->
you decide to smoke a little more -> whooooooooeeeeeeep, and you're off to hyperspace.

the thing is you can start low and just stop smoking when you have reached interesting effects that are just as intense as you intend (beginners will most probably not go over the 'tripping properly-stage'). with dmt i find the risk risk for over-/underdoses, that's quite pronounced with a lot of psychedelics (and that nearly put me off psychs when i first tried acid and redosed too early), to be near zero.
 
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