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DMT as a restorative adjunct to MDMA use

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Hello! :) <3

Do you ever use DMT with MDMA? MDMA began to get hard for me on the comedown, emotionally and physically...so draining and tiring actually causing depression.

I stopped for a few years and then started experimenting again. Quickly it returned (the hard crash). I figured I would just stop. Until one time I tried smoking a dose of DMT right as I was coming down. This was a beautiful experience. The euphoria from the MDMA provided a really perfect 'blasting off' point for the DMT. The trip was much more manageable compared to just smoking DMT alone. More happy definitely.

The interesting part about this is, I did not experience the negative comedown effects. I was more happy as the MDMA wore off than normal. Much more actually! <3

The next day was markedly better also. I figured this might be a one time thing...I tried this again after some time away from MDMA...it happened again! Another beautiful DMT trip on the comedown of the MDMA roll...it reset my brain! <3

I'm not advocating this as a way to abuse more MDMA (because surely if you started using lots of MDMA then even this aid would be useless).

But, I highly suggest ya'll try this...it could be very eye-opening. I'm not suggesting you break the laws in your country, but I will say that DMT is extremely easy to extract form mimosa bark (let's not get into the details here, search for 'straight to base' teks elsewhere).

I would be VERY interested in hearing about others' experience with using DMT as a restorative adjunct to MDMA. Knowledge is power! DMT is love! <3

ps mods I know this is a MDMA/psychedelic combo, but I'd really like it to stay here if thats ok with ya'll (rather than PD). I want to reach people in this forum. Thanks! <3


WARNING: DO NOT INGEST A MAOI WHILE ON MDMA IT IS VERY DANGEROUS
 
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I notice a very effective antidepressant effect from DMT, far more so than any other drug.
Could it be that the "afterglow" of the DMT experience means that you don't feel the MDMA comedown or the after effects?
I have never tried the combination, but MDMA does nasty things to me so I don't use it.
 
My first 'E' pill was actually 5-MeO-DMT, which is extremely similar to DMT but gives you a much less visual version of the DMT experience. Anyway, I felt really really cleared the next day. Using it to follow up MDMA seems like it would probably be an incredible experience.
 
I have pretty much always smoked DMT while on MDMA except the first few times. I used it for other reasons, though. I get The Fear from DMT so strongly that it frequently prevents me from enjoying the experience. MDMA does away with that completely somehow, and I feel almost compelled to smoke it as long as I'm in a place where that is ok (outdoors, or at home, or somewhere else safe... no clubs or anything like that obviously... though I never liked taking MDMA in clubs either, so I never really have to worry about that kind of thing).

I always took the two together to make the DMT space more navigable... its like it becomes a tangible place in my fried mind... a physical construct that I can move about in. I can't really describe it.

I can't say that I get the sort of effects you are describing though. Sometimes I get depressed for a few days, usually starting the 2nd day after dosing and lasting the rest of the week... sometimes nothing. More often than not, its just a mild increase in anxiety for a day or so, and feeling a bit tired for a couple, nothing serious or ever enough to discourage use of MDMA.

At one point last year I took it weekly for a little while. Normally that is something I'd never do, but I felt that it was really helping me to deal with some emotional issues. I honestly felt it was helping me, not just me rationalizing weekly use. I continued that for a while... not once every week on a schedule, but on saturdays as it felt right and I was free of responsibilities. I did not use DMT every time (very frequently ketamine as it wore off, though, then a joint&food&cartoons, then sleep), but often. That went on for 8 weeks or so; so maybe 6 sessions in that time, frequently with a top-up at the T+1hr mark. In that time period I (paradoxically) had less hangover type symptoms than when I take it spread 3-4 months apart.

I'm not sure I attribute that to DMT though. I try to take care of myself as far as diet and exercise normally, and take idebenone/NAC/r-ALA/Vitamins A,C,E leading up to and during the MDxx session, then 5-HTP after. When I've not taken that stuff I seem to get more after-effects than when I don't.. I find that pretty alarming, so I never miss it.

I could see DMT+MDMA allowing you to do some sort of emotional work that causes you to feel better afterwards... but a physical improvement seems strange to me. I am interested in hearing more about what you think this has done for you though, and especially the responses of people you know personally that have had the same improvement (if you've known any)... and also those of the ED-dwellers.

I think I am done with DMT for a long while though, so if I see a change towards the negative with my MDxx experiences I will come back and ramble about it. I have no clue when I'll get around to taking MDxx next though.

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My first 'E' pill was actually 5-MeO-DMT, which is extremely similar to DMT but gives you a much less visual version of the DMT experience. ....
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I think you might have meant 5-MeO-DiPT or something? 5-MeO-DMT is not orally active, and it worlds apart from DMT in effect. Its like canned terror to me, and doesn't even come close to resembling DMT in effect.

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my friends, tho not me, would inject K after coming home from a rave in 90-92, and would get the best times of their lives...
yeh, my friends felt it 'balanced' the nites activities and prepped the mind for the week to come... i babysat... and after seeing them do so many wierd things after injecting K, i was not gonna do it myslef... and if there was no K, it was syrian rue, then smoking DMT...
but they always insisted it made them better for the week. i wish i had tried looking back. too many haggard days in uni after a weekend ;)
 
there was some research saying that DMT makes your serotonin receptors more sensitive to serotonin (i think it was on national geographic)
the opposite way is the biggest problem for MDMA...

could dmt reverse mdma's tolerance? any anecdotal reports?
 
DMT is an emotional and cognitive opener. I would not be surprised if it had moderately long-term effects on the behavior profiles of serotonin receptors. For a period of about a month every morning I would rise and ingest 5-10mg of DMT (either vaporized or preferably snorted). This was during a period of slight depression and it helped normalize me tremendously (mind you the doses were so low I was not 'tripping').

After MDMA, my brain feels very scattered and disoriented and just 'fuzzy' (sorry I can't be more technical). DMT 'reminds' me about what is important and also encourages me to make positive choices in the coming week. I also feel like it works on a more fundamental physical level. I also really find helpful the next day laying in bed smoking a bowl of mj with some DMT sprinkled on top. It really is a good way to integrate (especially if you smoked a breakthrough dose of DMT the night before on MDMA).

Medievil, if you have any reference to what you said above, I would be really interested in see that! Sounds correct to me though from my experience.

Fizzy, it doesn't take away the lethargy for me from MDMA use...although its hard to tell if its the fact that I miss most of my night's sleep (I almost always take MDxx's at night) or the drug itself, since I am very sensitive to lack of sleep (one night missing it will throw me somewhat out of whack emotionally and cognitively).

I've only taken MDMA a few times this last year (since I came back to it). Mostly I take bk-MDMA now, since it does not inhibit the enzyme that converts tryptophan into 5HTP in your brain like MDMA does (and thus your brain regenerates serotonin at a much faster rate than otherwise). I also supplement with 5HTP, idebenone (after a friend gave me some), multivitamin, and a protein smoothie (at least) before sleep. Finding very pure MDMA helps tremendously, since a lot of pressed pills these days have methamphetamine (and ever since I abused that stuff it REALLY fucks with my brain).
 
Very interesting. i've thought about trying DMT but i've never had the know-how or resources to extract it.

How much do you smoke on the comdown? Im guessing not enough to have a "breakthrough" effect. Do you dose DMT more than once over the course of the MDMA afterglow? Would you reccomend this to someone who is inexperianced in psycadellics? Should I try DMT by itself before I go mixing it with MDMA?
 
Hello Care,

like I said in my OP, check out the 'straight to base' teks. They are very easy and require a minimal amount of equipment. On to your questions

How much do you smoke on the comdown?
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It honestly depends on my mood. I will definitely smoke at least 25mg but sometimes I will go for a breakthrough dose (for me this is at least 60mg). The anti-depressant effects are quite noticeable at 25mg, however, a breakthrough dose provides the strongest effects.

Do you dose DMT more than once over the course of the MDMA afterglow?
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Again, it depends! I have done this before and it is BEAUTIFUL! I really really REALLY enjoy puffing on a pipe loaded with maybe 100mg of DMT over the course of a couple hours. It is akin to working yourself into an ayahuasca-type state (similar to eating DMT with a MAOI) and is very useful to integrate the trip while still in the DMT space.

Would you reccomend this to someone who is inexperianced in psycadellics?
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Yes! Definitely! <3 I have never understood why DMT has such a rep for being 'hardcore' and 'scary'. I have smoked a lot myself and also dosed quite a few friends. None of them have had scary experiences. Categorically, my friends and I have had beautiful lightfilled trips on DMT...it gets my recommendation for a 'first psychedelic' to try for an inexperienced person. DMT is like a very powerful dream. You 'wake up' from it as if you've been flashed with love and light.

Should I try DMT by itself before I go mixing it with MDMA?
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Either way, whichever you feel comfortable. Smoking DMT whilst on the tailend of a MDMA roll is really good because you're in a very positive mindset and are unencumbered by thought patterns you might have while sober. I think smoking it on MDMA for the first time would be a very good idea since you could start your relationship with the chemical in this positive mindset (hence why I posted here to try to reach folks like you who haven't done DMT or many psychedelics before).

Feel free to ask any more questions.

peace and love and I hope you find the light my friend,
andy
 
DMT increases serotonin in the brain so taking a hit before rolling or while coming down would be very helpful. You don't really need to break through if you use it like this (although you most certainly could), just enough for threshold effects. Also note DMT has cross tolerance with MDMA, but unless you are using either on a frequent basis it's nothing to worry about. The only time I've ever rolled I a small amount of DMT, but I still had the hangover. I suppose it might've been a lot worse without the DMT and I'm sure much of the day-after effects were also do to lack of sleep.
 
a) DMT does not release serotonin in the brain. It is strictly a 5HT2a agonist. It binds to that receptor and modulates the downstream (post-synaptic) activity.

b) DMT and MDMA do not share cross tolerance with each other. MDMA is very very weakly a 5HT2a agonist, but the tolerance from DMT drops off rather rapidly (one or two hours and you can break through again with another appropriately sized dose).

I agree with you that a lot of the day after effects are because of lack of sleep. There's almost no way to get around the lethargy if you're going to be rolling during the time you usually sleep. The only way is to roll in the day time (which can be nice especially outside in the sun, walking in a mountain stream).

peace and love,
samadhi smiles
 
in the Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease, pharmacologist J.C. Callaway discovered an increased density of serotonin reuptake sites in the blood
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do a search for this

it would really be great to see reports of DMT returning E's magic again :)
 
I'll check it out, but to be clear that doesn't look like anything close to DMT releases serotonin. More reuptake sites would actually decrease the amount of serotonin binding to receptors.

I'll check it out though definitely! <3
 
Hi guys!
I ran across ayahuasca on the national geographic website ( http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0603/features/peru2.html ). I found it fascinating, especially the following line:
"Ayahuasca seems to give users a greater sensitivity to serotonin—one of the mood-regulating chemicals produced by the body—by increasing the number of serotonin receptors on nerve cells."
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and i never said dmt releases serotonin :p
 
I have tried DMT on LSD, H, MDMA, and benzos and I find that it ENHANCES EVERY EXPERIENCE. Tho I must say that even sober DMT enhances everything. For days after I smoke I walk around with an afterglow. I havent lost "the magic" yet with E/ MDMA so the come down is cake for me, i never have a hard time at the end of the trip or in the following days so I cant comment on exactly what you are talking about but I have found that DMT is good for my mind.
 
I've had very limited experiance in psyc's so far. I ate 2 grams of mushrooms one time, and smoked salvia once. The mushroom trip was...underwhelming probably because I didnt eat enough.

The one time I smoked salvia I hated it. I treated it like I was smoking weed and inhaled two big ass hits. Big mistake, way too intense, left me feeling like i'd been to hell and back.

How does a breakthrough experiance with DMT compare to salvia?

EDIT: So I did some reading and learned that if you ingest DMT you have to take it with an MAOI in order for it to work. I've also read that MAOI's are very bad for you if you're rolling. Correct me if i'm wrong, but if DMT is going to be suggested as a drug to use with MDMA it should be made VERY clear that it is meant to be smoked, not taken orally with an MAOI.
 
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savior said:
is there any evidence of long term (brain) damage with DMT?
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If DMT was a neurotoxin we'd all be completely fucked up just from sleeping. DMT get's released naturally in your brain every night.
 
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