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Health DMT and Schizophrenia

I don't know man. Anything is possible but this sounds like a very dangerous idea to talk about.

DMT certainly played a role in my drug induced schizophrenia diagnosis, along with mushrooms and a few other factors like chronic sleep deprivation. Although, admittedly I was smoking it 3x per day, every day for awhile there.... also combining it with shrooms and LSD. Luckily my brain healed itself after a few years and I can enjoy psychedelics again I'm just not an idiot like I used to be.

Also, judging on what my paranoid schizo friend said happens to him when he smokes a little weed it would scare the fucking shit out of me if he started smoking DMT.
 
What do you guys mean you hear voices?

I talk to myself all the time. But not vocally, in my head. Cannot say I have an imaginary friend. However thinking out loud is quite common.

Do you guys literally have a friend you hang out with? Or is just some voice in your head that won't go away?

I would think some of these drugs (DMT, lsd, etc) wouldn't be good for this as I am pretty certain I did have a side buddy on a few trips and told him to look out for me.
 
TheInvisibleStoner said:
What do you guys mean you hear voices?

I talk to myself all the time. But not vocally, in my head. Cannot say I have an imaginary friend. However thinking out loud is quite common.

Do you guys literally have a friend you hang out with? Or is just some voice in your head that won't go away?

I would think some of these drugs (DMT, lsd, etc) wouldn't be good for this as I am pretty certain I did have a side buddy on a few trips and told him to look out for me.
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One time, after a 3 day meth bender (I dont use meth anymore and have less than 10 times, dont dare touch any stimulants anymore), I was hearing the voices of all my ex girlfriends and old friends in my car while driving. I was talking back to them and they'd respond accordingly. It sounded like it was coming from my environment through my ears. I tore the thing apart looking for a speaker. The voices would stop when I wasn't in the car, and begin again when I was in it. I imagine this is what schizophrenia and having your subconscious turn on you might be like. Seeing my friend struggle, it seemed more like a spiritual battle, and his ramblings didn't make sense in the context of any conversation he could have thought he was having. Many of us also experienced strange phenomenon around him.

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The thing is, the studies are coming in now. -Specifically: the 5HT2a receptor sight studies showing, ( in as little as I may understand ) what seems to be some “nuerogenisis” or rather, brain or signal pathway growth, or lasting potentiation.
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As someone who was put on strong 5ht2a agonists (thats right, inverse action to psychedelics) due to temporary meth induced psychosis (ive done pretty much every drug you could name and then a bunch of alphabet soup ones and meth is the only one to ever trigger psychosis, not even LSD) I can say that shit fucked up my emotional regulation more than meth itself.
 
TheInvisibleStoner said:
What do you guys mean you hear voices?

I talk to myself all the time. But not vocally, in my head. Cannot say I have an imaginary friend. However thinking out loud is quite common.

Do you guys literally have a friend you hang out with? Or is just some voice in your head that won't go away?

I would think some of these drugs (DMT, lsd, etc) wouldn't be good for this as I am pretty certain I did have a side buddy on a few trips and told him to look out for me.
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When I would hear voices during my whole schizo episode I would describe it like this...

that inner voice that everyone has that you use to both narrate your world and talk to yourself with... that voice changed for me. It still sounded like me... in a sense, but would start saying insane things and I would hear myself doing odd things like laughing or growling at myself for no reason. It's as if my inner voice had become someone else... like me, but not me.

I would also hear other voices in my head. They never spoke to me. I would constantly be hearing what I can only describe as an interview between two other people or a game show going on inside my head where I could hear perfectly what they were saying or talking about yet I myself was never part of the conversation. Imagine instead of a song getting stuck in your head you would hear a tv show going on instead. That's kinda the best way I can describe it.

It's impossible to ignore too, you can't just drown it out or get rid of it. It's 24/7. It's a nightmare.
 
Alcoholic psychosis very greatly mimics the symptoms as described here. The odd hallucination for me had such a strikingly accurate appearance that the Fabrik of reality was bent to accommodate it. Thank fucking God I do not really have schizophrenia. Doing psychedelics is about all my life is about at the moment.
 
TheInvisibleStoner said:
What do you guys mean you hear voices?

I talk to myself all the time. But not vocally, in my head. Cannot say I have an imaginary friend. However thinking out loud is quite common.

Do you guys literally have a friend you hang out with? Or is just some voice in your head that won't go away?

I would think some of these drugs (DMT, lsd, etc) wouldn't be good for this as I am pretty certain I did have a side buddy on a few trips and told him to look out for me.
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I believe the difference between schizophenic voices and stuff like having an imaginary friend, talking to "God" or just having an internal monologue is that with schizophrenia you hear those voices when you're not supposed to. Apparently it's a very different thing.
I think this is a pretty good lecture on schizophrenia, a bit long but worth it in my opinion. Kind of amazing, and sad, how debilitating it can be and how the disease keeps progressing (unless you treat it properly) untill the person becomes completely disfuncional... Even the Maasai people (completely different from western culture) understand how problematic it can be.



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Please expand on it if you can. An amnesiac dose of DMT does exactly after the name. Usually one will pass/black out from inhaling too much. I have myself inhaled about two hundred milligrams (half of the methpipe bulb was full of the liquid form before turning into vapour) and there were not any long-term consequences from experiencing the so-called Loop. To focus was very hard and nearly impossible, but the faculty of reason inside the brain was doing its job, or trying very hard to, and my memory of things happening in the journey was nonexistant, unless I tried really hard to grasp, which is seriously not recommended for anyone to do. In any case, this little bit from the experience confirmed for me the accuracy with which Schopenhauer has nailed down madness as the broken string of a memory which has ceased to function distinctly and with proper fullness. I did not suffer from HPPD like symptoms afterward.

The idea of expounding more on my experience is a bit superfluous. Hofmann has cited this type of DMT use in his Sorgenkind. Below I quote the relevant passage for all the others.

... Last week the first 200 grams of a new drug arrived, whose investigation I wish to take up. It involves the seeds of a mimosa that is used as a stimulating intoxicant by the Indians of the Orinoco. The seeds are ground, fermented, and then mixed with the powder of burned snail shells. This powder is sniffed by the Indians with the help of a hollow, forked bird bone, as already reported by Alexander von Humboldt. ... The warlike tribe, the Otomanco, especially use this drug, called niopo, yupa, nopo or cojaba, to an extensive degree, even today. It is reported in the monograph by P.J. Gumilla, S.J: "The Otomancos sniffed the power before they went to battle with the Caribes, for in earlier times there existed savage wars between these tribes. This drug robs them completely of reason, and they frantically seize their weapons. ... Other benign and docile tribes that also sniff the yupa, do not get into such a fury as the Otomacos, who through self-injury with this agent made themselves completely cruel before combat, and marched into battle with savage fury.
 
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4meSM said:
I believe the difference between schizophenic voices and stuff like having an imaginary friend, talking to "God" or just having an internal monologue is that with schizophrenia you hear those voices when you're not supposed to. Apparently it's a very different thing.
I think this is a pretty good lecture on schizophrenia, a bit long but worth it in my opinion. Kind of amazing, and sad, how debilitating it can be and how the disease keeps progressing (unless you treat it properly) untill the person becomes completely disfuncional... Even the Maasai people (completely different from western culture) understand how problematic it can be.



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Thanks. Will check it out. Have seen a few lectures by Sapolsky. Smart guy.
 
4meSM said:
I believe the difference between schizophenic voices and stuff like having an imaginary friend, talking to "God" or just having an internal monologue is that with schizophrenia you hear those voices when you're not supposed to. Apparently it's a very different thing.
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You can also know when the voices are gonna talk. If your schizophrenic symptoms are mixed with ocd
 
4meSM said:
I believe the difference between schizophenic voices and stuff like having an imaginary friend, talking to "God" or just having an internal monologue is that with schizophrenia you hear those voices when you're not supposed to. Apparently it's a very different thing.
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schizopath said:
You can also know when the voices are gonna talk. If your schizophrenic symptoms are mixed with ocd
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It certainly is different and something you can only really understand when you experience it. Just like with any inner workings of your consciousness it's very hard to explain to others.

While I could never truly predict when I would hear voices I could certainly anticipate it based on what situation I was going into. For example, when I was actively engaged in something such has a conversation or busy at work I would almost never hear voices. However, if I was in a situation where my brain had the ability to "drift" or zone out for example driving a car or trying to fall asleep I would always hear the voices. In a way I could definitely predict when I would likely hear them.
 
there are also very high functioning schizophernics out there like the movie a beautiful mind in college we had post doc math researchers who were schizophrenic who could just whip solutions out of thin air for extreme complex cutting edge math.

Mad geniuses have propelled this world foward. 1960's they were able to cure some shcizophernics with LSD by having the therapist also take it medium to high doses and go inside the shcizophernics mind on the trip together and guide them out and rewire their thoughts. Doing this alone somebody is more likely to just damage and disorder their mind more. But if totally done right it is a possible cure but requires a very advanced therapist who knows LSD very well with many trips and is willing to take the dangers of also fragmenting their own mind in healing the other person.
 
There is no cure to Schizophrenia because we do not understand this phenomena adequately. The closest we have got is thinking of the symptoms caused by a dopamine deficiency, yet there is no conclusive proof, and in some cases the contrary comes to light. The only thing one can do is manage it, and certain psychedelics can help come to a better subjective understanding of one's illness, but only in controlled circumstances and even then doing such a thing will not be advisable in the foreseeable future.
 
sdxyln said:
There is no cure to Schizophrenia because we do not understand this phenomena adequately. The closest we have got is thinking of the symptoms caused by a dopamine deficiency, yet there is no conclusive proof, and in some cases the contrary comes to light. The only thing one can do is manage it, and certain psychedelics can help come to a better subjective understanding of one's illness, but only in controlled circumstances and even then doing such a thing will not be advisable in the foreseeable future.
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When I was experiencing schizo I was on 3 different antipsychotics and none of them helped at all. I continued taking them for for a year as some sort of placebo relief.
 
TripSitterNZ said:
there are also very high functioning schizophernics out there like the movie a beautiful mind in college we had post doc math researchers who were schizophrenic who could just whip solutions out of thin air for extreme complex cutting edge math.

Mad geniuses have propelled this world foward. 1960's they were able to cure some shcizophernics with LSD by having the therapist also take it medium to high doses and go inside the shcizophernics mind on the trip together and guide them out and rewire their thoughts. Doing this alone somebody is more likely to just damage and disorder their mind more. But if totally done right it is a possible cure but requires a very advanced therapist who knows LSD very well with many trips and is willing to take the dangers of also fragmenting their own mind in healing the other person.
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I could see this potential. As a crazy person myself, who has trauma-linked auditory hallucinations while sober on occasion (or im being drugged or gaslit idk lol), I really am hoping to experience this some day. I could also see something like ketamine working well for this, though not nearly to the extent of LSD, nd maybe not even possible in the same way.

And I really don't think the therapist should need to take the lsd as well, though i certainly trust people who take the lsd with me better, for a therapist maybe even better they don't. Understanding lsd and having had many trips before sure.

Unless of course there is some application of its telepathic/collective hivemind overawareness side effects?
 
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Ketamine might be bad for trauma linked hallucinations. Ive had schizophrenic thoughts about having multiple personalities on(too much) ketamine. So dont take it as a free way to cure your brain. Right mindset and those kinda things are more than important. Dosing especially.

I had 3-4 really high dose bad trips before getting psychotic for the first time. Just one good is enough to end the cycle, I hope. Be careful.
 
Yeah it just induced a very manic state Recently, still ongoing now like almost a week later. However it does seem to have a sort of "imprinting" effect like lsd does
 
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