^Been there, done that (willing to bet Ismene has as well). What's your point? High dose DMT, done in any ROA, has never made me lose my grip on reality for longer than the experience. Even while high DMT leaves me very clear headed, I always know I'm on a drug.
Ever done ayahuasca or pharmahuasca? You're into the whole "giving psychedelics religious significance" scene, so I bet high dose oral DMT would be right up your alley.
x-sun-x-moon-x (this is more referring to your earlier posts in the thread)
I kinda dig what you've been doing around here, but you're being deliberately enigmatic and you seem to be intentionally pissing people off (not that I don't think that's funny). If you want people to actually pay attention to your posts you should probably participate more directly and less enigmatically, or everyone will just glaze over your posts as "another nonsensical one by that guy."
Maybe if you were a famous author people would wade through your posts to find some meaning, but you aren't, and I don't think the way you're going about it will make anyone agree with you, or even read your posts. I know I was reading all your posts initially, and now I'm just glazing over them.
Eh, just a friendly suggestion though, you do you man. I like your posts and I do think you're contributing something, even though I'm not always sure what it is (which is the point in a way right?). But I also think people are going to miss what you have to say if you don't tone down the weirdness a bit.
Which bit are you struggling with sockpuppet?
Not sure if you've never dosed high enough to leave your body, become aphasic, have sensory reality replaced, have the concepts of language such as "stranger" and "me" vanish, etc, but that's what a high dose does for me and most people I have known all my life.
I dunno, I've dosed pretty high. 20 dried grams of cubensis and 300mg of moclobemide, 500mics of acid and 3 blotters of DOM. Oral DMT at doses sufficient to stun a rampaging elephant
and for all "breakthrough" doses of DMT by definition.
I usually take DMT orally rather than smoke it. I did overdose on rectal DMT once - while it was very extreme and the DMT visuals were overlaid over reality I was always perfectly aware that I was tripping. I've certainly never known I wasn't on a drug and I've taken doses that would leave most trippers on their knees.
I agree with Ismene, I've had many very high dose experiences. I've had language break down to the point where I can't talk, I've "left my body" as ya'll say, I've had my mind eliminated and watched it rebuild. I've seen my life flash before my eyes in forwards and reverse and been left to piece it back together. And I've completely lost sight of who and where I am for periods of days.
And I've always been able to differentiate between sober, objective reality and tripping. I've always known I was high. And my world view, which is essentially nihilism combined with a love of science, has stayed in tact even while tripping, because the same philosophical arguments I use sober work while high.
Actually, all the experienced trippers I know remain fairly lucid and intelligent while tripping, whereas most people new to tripping come up with all kinds of random crazy shit that doesn't make sense, but that's just my experience. I and my trip buddies view psychedelics as tools for looking inwards, not as literally different physical plains or as a realistic way to examine existence in general.
Reality is filtered through our perceptions, but that isn't to say objective reality is non existant. There are plenty of antiquated arguments about form and whether our brains define the world around us, but with modern knowledge of astronomy and physics we know that the cosmos are larger than the human mind. When we die everything else will continue to exist, and the form in which it exists will be objective and have nothing to do with the psychedelic mind state.
People can look at psychedelics as sacraments all they want, but they are drugs that work by fucking with neuro chemistry (not saying the two views are necessarily contradictory either). Without a brain to alter, psychedelics do nothing. And that is where the distinction between tripping and actual, objective reality should become apparent.
I think it's understandable to, while high, inhabit a radically different mindset and world, and I think it's even excusable to believe some crazy shit while tripping. But to continue to believe in these alternate realities once sober is clearly ridiculous. I think psychedelics show us our minds, expose us to the potentials of our brains. I see no reason to believe they hold sway on the cosmos at large.
Humans have always wanted to explain existence in terms of humans. We are always looking to make the universe about us, to have our personal dreams or religious experiences dictate the actual world. Since ancient times this has been true, but I would like to think we are advancing as a species. We should look at psychedelics as useful drugs, to try and turn them into some kind of universal religious experience is silly and I feel it reduces the importance of reality and the cosmos.
Existence is bigger than humans and bigger than any altered mind state humans can induce- we just aren't that relevant, cosmically speaking.
Unoit. 