Foreigner
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My experience, knowledge, and teachings I've received all guide me toward the general advice that it's foolish to mess with high level psychedelic use without adequate protections. People will call this new age mumbo jumbo but I don't really care. You need only consult traditional mystic cultures on their protective methods to see there is a common trend among all of them. The real ayahuasqueros who are lineage practitioners - you know, the ones who aren't selling tourist packages to anyone who will pay - know about these protections and use them. If you don't have protections in place prior to entering the trip, then you are inviting trouble. I mean, think about the jungle. On the physical plane it's already the most biologically dense place on Earth. It's pretty much that way on the non-material too. These lineage practitioners have been taught protections from the time they were born... if you aren't dealing with a strong lineage practitioner in that environment then you might get fucked up.
I do believe in modern science and diagnoses like psychosis, but I also know experientially that people get messed up in other ways that are beyond modern science's comprehension. These people end up in psych wards on anti-psychotics and benzos but the problem never truly goes away.
The other half of this equation is that there are rare people in our world who are more "open". Some might call these people shamans. They are born this way, with a lot of natural talent and ability. They are natural seekers and most of them will dabble with mind altering in their lifetimes because it's their inherent inclination to do so. These people are especially open to entity contact, and entity attack. You could take 100 mundane people and give them psychedelics, and they'll never report an entity experience. It's that one rare person who is special, who will have the contact. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's terrifying. The traditional paths that groom these people to become shamans teach them how to interact with these beings regularly, and call on them for sacred practices.
I'm not one of these "shamans". Most of the entity contact I've experienced on psychedelics has been transient, and harmless. Try to think about it from their perspective. They're wandering through their equivalent of an eco-system, and suddenly they see the appearance of a life form (a human) that normally doesn't exist in their realm - a human who is there as a result of a consciousness shift brought on by a psychedelic - so they move to check it out. These humans are essentially "lit up", like a beacon. Mostly the entities are neutral, sometimes they are nice, sometimes they are bad. In general if I'm having an extremely blissful contact with something, I'm extremely suspicious. It's the blissful ones you have to look out for. They know how to take on forms amicable to you so that they can get what they want. This is why protections are super important. It gives you the control to invite something in or dispel it. If you have no protections then it's the luck of the draw if you have entity contact. All of these modern plastic shamans who are dealing koolaid at high financial cost do ZERO to protect the space they are providing for their clients. They might light some sage or some non-sense, and then call the place "cleansed".
Also... if you're using a whole plant extract, then you may be in contact with the plant spirit itself. DMT extracted from mimosa, or combined with caapi, often has a female presence. Most people report that the "vine of the soul" is a jungle mother. (That's what the lineage practitioners say anyway. I've personally never done ayahuasca, it's not something I gravitate to.)
About what the OP is saying, about incongruent experiences due to religious input, I agree that's true. People mistake what is happening due to koolaid they are taught. They also walk away from traumatic experiences with patch-work counseling from these fake shamans. Not everything that happens in a trip is necessarily part of your personal psychology. There's an entire energetic framework at work that can impact you. However, there are consistent reports across many demographics, many of whom are atheists. Real shamans don't generally prepare you for a trip with elaborate stories or sermons. They give you the medicine and then you take the plunge while they hold space and keep vigil for you. The ones who drone on and on about theology are just so fake it's really sad.
I do believe in modern science and diagnoses like psychosis, but I also know experientially that people get messed up in other ways that are beyond modern science's comprehension. These people end up in psych wards on anti-psychotics and benzos but the problem never truly goes away.
The other half of this equation is that there are rare people in our world who are more "open". Some might call these people shamans. They are born this way, with a lot of natural talent and ability. They are natural seekers and most of them will dabble with mind altering in their lifetimes because it's their inherent inclination to do so. These people are especially open to entity contact, and entity attack. You could take 100 mundane people and give them psychedelics, and they'll never report an entity experience. It's that one rare person who is special, who will have the contact. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's terrifying. The traditional paths that groom these people to become shamans teach them how to interact with these beings regularly, and call on them for sacred practices.
I'm not one of these "shamans". Most of the entity contact I've experienced on psychedelics has been transient, and harmless. Try to think about it from their perspective. They're wandering through their equivalent of an eco-system, and suddenly they see the appearance of a life form (a human) that normally doesn't exist in their realm - a human who is there as a result of a consciousness shift brought on by a psychedelic - so they move to check it out. These humans are essentially "lit up", like a beacon. Mostly the entities are neutral, sometimes they are nice, sometimes they are bad. In general if I'm having an extremely blissful contact with something, I'm extremely suspicious. It's the blissful ones you have to look out for. They know how to take on forms amicable to you so that they can get what they want. This is why protections are super important. It gives you the control to invite something in or dispel it. If you have no protections then it's the luck of the draw if you have entity contact. All of these modern plastic shamans who are dealing koolaid at high financial cost do ZERO to protect the space they are providing for their clients. They might light some sage or some non-sense, and then call the place "cleansed".
Also... if you're using a whole plant extract, then you may be in contact with the plant spirit itself. DMT extracted from mimosa, or combined with caapi, often has a female presence. Most people report that the "vine of the soul" is a jungle mother. (That's what the lineage practitioners say anyway. I've personally never done ayahuasca, it's not something I gravitate to.)
About what the OP is saying, about incongruent experiences due to religious input, I agree that's true. People mistake what is happening due to koolaid they are taught. They also walk away from traumatic experiences with patch-work counseling from these fake shamans. Not everything that happens in a trip is necessarily part of your personal psychology. There's an entire energetic framework at work that can impact you. However, there are consistent reports across many demographics, many of whom are atheists. Real shamans don't generally prepare you for a trip with elaborate stories or sermons. They give you the medicine and then you take the plunge while they hold space and keep vigil for you. The ones who drone on and on about theology are just so fake it's really sad.
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