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DMT and me

3dmusic

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I came into drugs late, say in my 30's.

Others say I am highly intelligent and was seen as bright at school, but I had a bizzare upbringing where my parents did not want me to grow up.
There was a lot of abuse and I only realised lately at age 45 that my parents had stunted me possibly deliberately.
I must have been so badly stunted, I wasn't even aware of the fact that I was stunted.
I was like a lost sheep in the world, highly intelligent in the school classroom, but a dummy in the school playground.
I had no zest for life and was far too easily intimidated just by the fist sign of annoyance in another person.

When it came to psychedelics I resented the fact that emotionally unstable people should leave well alone, as they could miss out on the healing properties of respectfully used, psychedelics.
I knew really strongly that i needed to mature, so the world was a manageable place, and I thought the healing element of these drugs could help me catch up on decades of lost emotional development.

Conservative use of these drugs in a solitary setting with introspective intent (going with the flow and letting whatever comes up to come up.
Importantly I was made aware of the sheer pain my own parents felt, I was more creative, and my solitary trips helped me begin the slow process of emotional healing.

I looked up online, the things that came up in my trips, things about geometry, energy, etc, etc, and much of my experiences, particularly shrooms was described eloquently by people describing their DMT trips.
This prompted me to read up on DMT a lot and I learnt loads of stuff just by reading about it.
I also read online negative experiences with DMT.

Still, being emotionally fragile from deep and pervasive wounds, I just ruled DMT out of the question as I was sure my mind "could not take it", and I resented this bitterly, because why should something that wasnt my fault (abuse) stop me from experiencing a much more richer and meaningful world?

They say DMT has to come to you, other wise you are not ready for it.
I don't know if this is true, I just read it online.
DMT came to me the first time, but I turned it down for reasons above.

A few years later, during an emotionally hard time, it came to me again.
I told the people I was with about my concerns, but as I trusted them 100% and felt totally comfy in the environment I was in, I knew I would be in safe hands if anything went wrong.
I also told them that while I was concerned about bad experiences, DMT has crossed my path once before and I ended up deciding to go for it as I had questions that needed answering because I was hungry to learn.

Anyway, we did it in a waterbong. Another person held the bong and lit it, and then told me to lie back.
I was on a comfortable bed in a van with some others at a rainy summer solstice celebration.
I lied back and tried to go with the flow like in mushrooms where you are tense and uncomfortable on the comeup but you know that just 'sitting there on the ride' will relax you.
I just could not go with it though. I had closed eye visuals, like acid, rows and columns of a colourful motif, escher style, but my body felt undescribably awful.
I told the others I was glad it was only a short trip because I felt 'awful physically' not sick, not aching, but a wierd tense claustrophobic experience.
I didn't go off to any other places, in fact I panicked and had to get outside.
My friend and me sat on the step and she held me until it wore off.
I looked across the countryside which looked like some giant moving geometric painting.

I don't know why I didn't breakthrough, maybe I didn't get enough of the vapour?
It just seems odd that DMT has crossed my path twice, yet when I did try it, I didn't breakthrough.
I said at the time that I wont do it again, but I think/hope I will, sometime in the future as I need that emotional leg-up to make life more meaningful and to become a productive member of society, who makes a difference, instead of a nervous wreck of a child stuck inside an adults body.
 
Perhaps it's that body load is more of a psychological phenomena than anything (at least the type you are describing). Body load is your invitation to the abyss. It is a way of forcing you to let go of your physical body so that you may experience something beyond your immediate perception of the universe. You have to let go to get rid of this body load, but you have to be willing to give up everything that makes you a human being in order to do that. This is ego death.
 
I know what you mean about the claustrophobic element. The times I didn't break through I had that feeling too.. like being encroached upon by invisible presence. It was quite eerie and I really didn't like it, luckily it didn't last very long.. it was one of my first attempts by myself and I only took a small breath.

Possibly this is a mimicking of the death experience we go through at real death.. like your body-mind ego is about to be stripped away for all time and it knows this, and it recoils in horror.

The times I broke through I remember the same feeling for about 0.5 seconds.. that is until this world of colour just consumed my experience and I was no longer concerned with the body.. infact I felt ecstacy.

3Dmusic said:
I said at the time that I wont do it again, but I think/hope I will, sometime in the future as I need that emotional leg-up to make life more meaningful and to become a productive member of society, who makes a difference, instead of a nervous wreck of a child stuck inside an adults body.

Hmmm I think you're better off trying to find that 'something' in the real world. Obviously you'll do what you think is the right thing to do.. but I'm just saying that it might not give you what you want and is potentially a gamble better off not taken. I won't lie, the breakthrough experiences were enchanting and beautiful, I felt really good.. but upon reflection it merely posed more questions than it answered. It also left me with the impression that it's not something one should seek to repeat, that you won't always be protected in that 'state'.
 
Also, you seem pretty convinced of the efficacy and validity of psychedelic drug use for healing. I think, though, you right be.. "putting the pussy on a pedestal" so to say. Lol. DMT isn't a magical solution to social ineptitude and is not a cure for damage done already. In fact, my experiences with DMT were, although intensely hallucinogenic, generally solely recreational, even despite my intentions for usefulness. I don't know, all I really wanted to say was that, you need to work on yourself sober. That will carry over naturally into psychedelia. And that drugs won't fix what ails ya.
 
Your just telling yourself you need dmt to be a mature adult...we can't believe everything we tell ourself..we tend to self-deceive.

Maybe you just need more time to be a mature adult, and varied life experiences..not nessarily dmt. Maybe dxm would help you more like it helped me..maybe not. You sound like your moving in the right direction to me. Be patient.
 
In my experience psychedelics can be helpful in reminding you that you have the potential to heal if you so choose, the hardest truth is realizing it all begins with you; because this forces you to recognize you are responsible for everything, every thought, every emotion, every action. You come into 'being', but it's entirely your choice.. as long as you hold blame against someone other then yourself for your circumstances you are continuing to create a separation between yourself and the moment.

You are, the moment you choose to be.
 
Take it orally. I could never smoke enough to break through either - unless you're a regular smoker it's going to be tricky.
 
I came into drugs late, say in my 30's.

Others say I am highly intelligent and was seen as bright at school, but I had a bizzare upbringing where my parents did not want me to grow up.
There was a lot of abuse and I only realised lately at age 45 that my parents had stunted me possibly deliberately.
I must have been so badly stunted, I wasn't even aware of the fact that I was stunted.
I was like a lost sheep in the world, highly intelligent in the school classroom, but a dummy in the school playground.
I had no zest for life and was far too easily intimidated just by the fist sign of annoyance in another person.

When it came to psychedelics I resented the fact that emotionally unstable people should leave well alone, as they could miss out on the healing properties of respectfully used, psychedelics.
I knew really strongly that i needed to mature, so the world was a manageable place, and I thought the healing element of these drugs could help me catch up on decades of lost emotional development.

Conservative use of these drugs in a solitary setting with introspective intent (going with the flow and letting whatever comes up to come up.
Importantly I was made aware of the sheer pain my own parents felt, I was more creative, and my solitary trips helped me begin the slow process of emotional healing.

I looked up online, the things that came up in my trips, things about geometry, energy, etc, etc, and much of my experiences, particularly shrooms was described eloquently by people describing their DMT trips.
This prompted me to read up on DMT a lot and I learnt loads of stuff just by reading about it.
I also read online negative experiences with DMT.

Still, being emotionally fragile from deep and pervasive wounds, I just ruled DMT out of the question as I was sure my mind "could not take it", and I resented this bitterly, because why should something that wasnt my fault (abuse) stop me from experiencing a much more richer and meaningful world?

They say DMT has to come to you, other wise you are not ready for it.
I don't know if this is true, I just read it online.
DMT came to me the first time, but I turned it down for reasons above.

A few years later, during an emotionally hard time, it came to me again.
I told the people I was with about my concerns, but as I trusted them 100% and felt totally comfy in the environment I was in, I knew I would be in safe hands if anything went wrong.
I also told them that while I was concerned about bad experiences, DMT has crossed my path once before and I ended up deciding to go for it as I had questions that needed answering because I was hungry to learn.

Anyway, we did it in a waterbong. Another person held the bong and lit it, and then told me to lie back.
I was on a comfortable bed in a van with some others at a rainy summer solstice celebration.
I lied back and tried to go with the flow like in mushrooms where you are tense and uncomfortable on the comeup but you know that just 'sitting there on the ride' will relax you.
I just could not go with it though. I had closed eye visuals, like acid, rows and columns of a colourful motif, escher style, but my body felt undescribably awful.
I told the others I was glad it was only a short trip because I felt 'awful physically' not sick, not aching, but a wierd tense claustrophobic experience.
I didn't go off to any other places, in fact I panicked and had to get outside.
My friend and me sat on the step and she held me until it wore off.
I looked across the countryside which looked like some giant moving geometric painting.

I don't know why I didn't breakthrough, maybe I didn't get enough of the vapour?
It just seems odd that DMT has crossed my path twice, yet when I did try it, I didn't breakthrough.
I said at the time that I wont do it again, but I think/hope I will, sometime in the future as I need that emotional leg-up to make life more meaningful and to become a productive member of society, who makes a difference, instead of a nervous wreck of a child stuck inside an adults body.

Don't really know what you are asking here, maybe this would be more appropriate in trip reports or your blog.
 
Take it orally. I could never smoke enough to break through either - unless you're a regular smoker it's going to be tricky.

^ I think this might be your best option really.

You're not alone OP, I too find DMT incredibly difficult to smoke because as it starts to come on I get panic stricken and feel like the world is closing in on me and I have no escape. I think it's one of the ego's defences against what's about to come - the difference with taking a drug orally is that you can't stop the intensity from increasing past that point to the more relaxing and healing peak.

With 4-AcO-DMT for example I used to get this fear just before ego death, but as the ego death came on it was impossible to feel any fear or anxiety, just bliss. I'm sure the same would happen with DMT it's just with smoking it, it's easy to get the fear and expel the smoke, avoiding smoking any more. This is why I plan to take DMT orally as soon as I get the chance.
 
I feel the same way about vaporized dmt. Its really hard to work with its duration being so short and intense. I find ayahyasca/pharmahuasca far more useful, and oral/sublingual harmalas with low dose vaporized dmt spaced out 5-10mg at a time is far easier to work with too. Same goes for changa w/ freebase harmalas. DMT by itself is incredibly difficult to work with, but throw some harmalas in the mix and its becomes alot more navigable imho. It stretches out the come up/down, and makes the whole experience less jarring.

One thing to remember, at least something i do habitually before considering dosing vaporized dmt is to let go of ANY expectations/anxiety's/doubt about doing so. If i can't i just don't go through with it, out of every psychedelic I've tried dmt requires the most mental preparation before dosing, even orally.
 
Hi Thanks for all of your replies, and sorry for the late reply.

I don't know much about the chemical side of DMT, i.e. what is NN dmt, and 5meodmt, etc.

I did not take it for social ineptitude.

I took it because it felt right.

I am higly intelligent but due to a bizzare upbringing where I wasn't allowed to grow up, I feel my lack of emotional intelligence was bringing me down.

I also knew that I was doing certain things to attract negativity into my life, but I did not know what, because it is on such a deep subconscious level.

I was hoping the spirit of DMT would guide me and make me aware of mistakes I am making which currently are spoiling my life.
A friend also did it the same time as me and he said he got a lot of questions answered, and did not have that horrible body load.
 
It sounds like a boast, but people have told me I am.
I am very low on self esteem though, and very low on emotional intelligence.
I mentioned my intelligence becauase I thought it was relevant to the thread.
 
I have difficulty with the fast come-up of the short acting psychedelics (smoked). No matter if it's DMT, 5-MEO-DMT or salvia, I don't like the sudden transition. DPT was the only one of them I liked. It's very personal which psychedelics works better than others for you. Some people prefer shrooms, some acid.
 
Whats dpt?

As for DMT. I never knew what it was until I researched aspects of my shroom experiences online and found lots of similairites to other people's DMT reports.
People's dmt experiences were similar to my shroom experiences, although, obviously on a much smaller scale than DMT.
I'm dissappointed that I never 'broke through'
 
I'm dissappointed that I never 'broke through'

Don't be disappointed, just take it orally if you're interested.

If you have no more interest in it than trying to smoke it a couple of times and failing then perhaps DMT isn't for you?
 
It sounds like a boast, but people have told me I am.
I am very low on self esteem though, and very low on emotional intelligence.
I mentioned my intelligence becauase I thought it was relevant to the thread.

lol, you missed my point, you spelled highly incorrectly :)

Spelling mistakes are not usually a problem or worth correcting in the forum, but when used in this context "I am higly intelligent" I couldn't help myself in saying something.
 
Then again I'm not sure making a spelling mistake while tapping a message into a drug board reflects on your intelligence - it might reflect more on your typing ability.
 
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