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(DMT / ~60 mg??) - Second Time - Intense as fcuk

Si-kadelic

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I don't remember the lift off stage, there was a lack of fractals and geometry at the start. I remember being floating totally disconnected from my body, in another realm, space and time were infinite and we're bending beyond what I knew as possible. I remember an overwhelming sense of dread and fear. There was a pervasive feeling of pure evil all around me. I recall thinking that I wanted this to end, I wanted it to just stop. I instantly knew this was not going to happen anytime soon. I felt a sense of acceptance over my destiny and gave into the feeling. I was catapulted through a realm of serpents and reptiles, the snakes were everywhere. They were trying to tempt me to follow them them into a dark, pure black abyss. They kept changing form to try tempt me with them, one nanosecond they were seductive, there was something almost sexual going on but I wasn't reciprocative to this and this seemed to anger the serpents and they took on a more frightening form, then back to seductive, then scary again, this happened many times in milliseconds!


I felt I was lost inside the journey, like I would never find my way out alone and would have to follow the serpents or be stuck where I was forever. At this point I had a memory from my first DMT trip, it was to follow the light. I then sensed myself being escorted / guided through this stage by 3, what I can only describe as guardians, one on either shoulder and one out in front.
The lead guardian was telling me to follow her. She felt female, the 2 at my sides felt male (I think). They were pleased to see me again, I don't know how it was a feeling of again but they definately knew who I was and they were frantically communicating this to me. The 2 male entities were trying to calm me, reassure me that it was all ok, not to be frightened, release myself, lose my ego and surrender to them, trust them!


All the time this was happening, there was "something" happening over to my right, a pure black vortex. At the entrance to the vortex, there was "creatures" that were reptilian in form. I felt a sense of pure evil from them but the vortex looked alluring for some reason. I had to remind myself of loved ones to remain focused and not be drawn in. Then the lead female guardian started communicating with the creatures. She was telling them to go easy on me, they felt mischeivous yet malevolent. It was like they were playing a game with me, almost as if it was part of a test. The creatures were so excited by all this, frenzied, chattering amongst themselves, they seemed amused by their game. The lead guardian told them I wasn't ready, that I had a light within me. I felt like she said I was a good spirit, the creatures seemed angry then that they couldn't play their game. I culdn't help feeling that if I went with the creatures into the black abyss, that it would be a one way trip. There would be no return from that realm. It was scary as hell. Then me and the guardians seemed to progress a little further away from the abyss and the creatures. It was a feeling of leaving that dimension / level and moving onto the next one. I could still see the last one but I was definately progressing to somewhere else.


The next stage was without doubt the weirdest shit I've ever experienced. I was floating upright in infinite space, galaxies looked tiny, they were everywhere all around me but I never seemed able to look behind me. Only forwards and the periphery of my side vision. The guardians at my side were still there but not visible but I could feel them comforting me, reassuring me yet again, that the goal was within reach, the knowledge was almost about to be bestowed on me. The female lead guardian has either gone or transformed into a reptillian form. The reptile was definately female, it appeared right at the side of what felt like my face but I was no longer me, I was something else. The reptile then leaped inside of my consciousness / soul / spirit, whatever you want to call it. It could feel it inside me, searching my psyche to see if I was pure enough for what was to come. This was a terrifying feeling, it was inside and beside me at the same time. It kept trying to scare me outwardly and checking me out inwardly to sense my reaction. It was like if I let my ego get involved, I would have been even more scared. I had to release my ego, leave it behind me, expel it from my consciousness as it felt like totally un-needed, baggage that would restrict me. The reptile could be felt in every part of my spirit. The strangest yet most familar feeling ever. I knew it was a test. That to attain more enlightment I needed to convince this reptilian gatekeeper / guardian. There was a dialog between the reptilian and my guardians, then an agreement. I remember feeling relieved.


Then I was travelling forwards at warp speed through never eneding lines of mathematical code, sacred geometry and pure knowledge from higher beings. This was the first time on the journey that I started to feel at ease, wasn't scared. I think there was lot of guardians / guides with me now. They were super excited, I mean unbelievably excited, that I was back here in this place I didn't know I'd been before. The code was relentless, I had an understanding of it being the key to life, the universe, everything, I instantly understood how ancient civilisations built structures way beyond their capabilites. That were are most definately not alone in these universies. That we are alone being, death equals life, everything is cyclic, it was all a memory I didn't even know I knew.


I was then in what I can only describe as an Egyptian grand hall of knowledge, I was flanked by 2 figures with jackal like heads, like the god Anubis, there was also another figure in the room somewhere but I couldn't pinpoint it, only fleating glimpses, it seemed like Osiris or Horus. I was shown tablets that contained secrets. I knew that I understood them but that also they were beyond my comprehension. This sense of duality was ever present during my journey. I was in this hall for quite a while and the entities that joined me there seemed pleased. They communicated that they were pleased I'd come back, they hoped to see me again soon.


Then I was back with my guardians, we were flying thru the most lush, green vegetation I've ever seen. The speed was immense, almost frightening, it was very disorientating, made me feel nauseous. The lead guardian was encouraging me to fly with them, that we were safe, surrender and enjoy the ride. I did! We flew around what I'd describe as an Aztec / Mayan / Inca type temple, it was huge! I've been to Angkor Wat in Cambodia, it made it feel like a postage stamp in size. The place I was in was inhabited but I didn't see its inhabitants, only signs of their life there, fires burning etc. We flew around the site for a good while, the guardians were saying to me, " Look! Don't you remember, don't you recognise this place?". Somehow it felt like home. They knew it did and they kept repeating to me that this was part of me, of us. Then I remember a feeling of it being about to end. They knew it too. There wasn't a feeling of regret about leaving, to be honest I was looking forward to feeling "normal" again. Can you ever feel normal again after this kind of experience. They were chattering excitedly again, they seemed happy that I'd made this far, they let me know I would be shown more next time but warned me about the others in the spirit world, they told me to always follw the light, never to be scared, it's just a ride! Then I remember them waving as they faded, they were saying goodbye.....but only for now!


I was completely gone for 15 mins this journey. Way longer than my first time.
 
Great description, hell of a ride! I tried DMT myself just jesterday, 30mg poorly vaporised. I met with a unisex shadow who was dancing for me while pink/orange/purple curtains flew in every direction and right in my face. The entity seemed shy, we made no contact, it felt like it's trying to entertain me. Or was it asking me for a dance?.. :)
Anyway, I will attempt a breakthrough in about an hour with better equipment. Wish me luck :)
 
I not really sure of the dosage, we were aiming for 25mg but I suspect we fucked up the maths being stoned. We had a gram of oily DMT. we split maybe half into 4 hits, one each. I went first, initially we thought it been ruined coz it was damp when we got it, so we chopped it up a little and I put it on the radiator not knowing that's the worst thing to do. The oil started leaking out so we had to put it in the freezer for a while. I got my 3 toke in, still nothing although looking back it was probably coming on strong at that point. I hit a 4th toke and thought it wasn't strong enough, then BOOM I was just gone for 15 mins. Then my mate had his 1st experience, tripped the whole time with his eyes open (freaky to watch) but he wasn't where we were haha. Next mate went, hit 4 up, the had a real freaky experience and couldn't wait to get back. Scared himself to death. Mate number 4 had a really good experience, his 1st good one, his first ones haven't been enjoyable.
 
Half a gram divided by 4 comes to 125 mg though, were the maths that fucked up, or do you estimate what you took to be 25 mg because you lost a lot of mass / material?

Thanks for the report, this can be moved to the Trip Reports section of the forum once we get the facts straight. :) So good of you to help.
 
Yeah because of the mass lost, we prob have half left. To be honest we got a bit worried about the oil situation and were more worrying it'd affect the potency. We didn't really think about the dosage properly, we just kind of put a similar amount to what we'd done the first time I did it.
 
I’ve always been intrigued by these DMT posts. They strike me as lucid dreams. Like when I sometimes wake up after a dream that seems so real it takes me a couple of minutes to realize it didn’t really happen. I’m not sure if DMT trips feel anything like that ‘cause I’ve never tried it, but it’s definitely on my bucket list. I think part of the enticement to DMT is the possibility that perhaps there really is some kind of alternate dimension inhabited by more intelligent energies and this is how you access it. A re-affirmation that there is more to life than the confines of our daily existence and limited senses. It’s also interesting that there are such common themes – like the presence of enlightened entities and symbols from ancient civilizations. Perhaps, like dreams, DMT simply facilitates the sorting out of unresolved subconscious issues and makes an entertaining story out of it. And if there are things bugging you in life, then maybe they are expressed as negative images/entities, while if you are in a really good place in your life, you meet God and become Jesus Christ. Or maybe aliens really did help build the pyramids or seed life on this planet and all those geometric images are buried in our genetic codes, only surfacing when the right ‘portal’ is opened. Ahhh, the mystery of it all. Only one way to find out…..

By the way myr, how did that last hit go??
 
Hi Auranova, I've only done DMT twice so far but from those 2 experiences I can safely say I don't think it's anything like a dream, it feels way more real than that. The only way I'd say it's similar to a very vivid dream is that you know you've just an amazing experience but can't quite remember it. I struggle to recollect the experience straight after, only remembering fleeting glimpses and brief flashes of what I saw. It takes a cuple of days longer to actually start being able to piece the experience back together. When I "come back" from a DMT experience, I can usually remember the last part of it, which in my 1st 2 journeys has been a very positive enlightening experience. However getting to this part of the trip has been a bumpy ride to say the least. The latest trip on it was beyond trippy, it's was terrifying for the most part but enlightening at the end.

I've always described myself as a total athiest. After my 1st DMT trip, I've had to question that a little bit. I'm not saying I believe in any god now, but I think there is most definately some higher beings and DMT unlocks a door to their realm. My 1st trip made me not fear death anymore, like it showed me it's not game over, you just move onto the next level. However, duality seems a contast during DMT trips. This was clearly evident during my 2nd trip. If my 1st was life affirming, the 2nd was the total opposite. To say I was scared is the understatement of the century!

If DMT does actually unlock other dimensions, then just as easily as it can open doors to good realms, it's equally adept at unlocking doors to bad ones. I also don't think that personal problems play too much of a role in a DMT trip like they might on say LSD or Shroomz. Leading up to my 1st trip on it, I was / am having some real bad family problems. I've been angry about those for a while. I was apprehensive about trying DMT with this clearly still on my mind. After I came back from my 1st trip, all that anger was gone, and I mean gone! I've accepted my problem, my lack of any control over that problem and although it's still a problem, the anger towards people has left the building. I think the initial onset of DMT wipes all conscious, and a lot of sub-conscious thoughts from your mind. It's way beyond any dream like state I've ever experienced.

Yeah Myr, how was the last hit? Fascinated to know.
 
Most people seem to have even crazier breakthroughs and blackouts at or above 50 mg... considering your description of the DMT being very oily it is not an unreasonable assumption that it was impure, so the dose estimate should probably be taken with a grain of salt. Still it is a serious dose. :)

Moving this report over from PD >> TR !
 
Ok, lets get this dosage thing sorted, 1g of oily dmt, how many doses should it be made into, as a rule of thumb.
Also, how much potency is lost when the extraction is clean?
 
The entity you describe sounds very similar to one I encountered on my first DMT experience. I thought that the effects had subsided a lot at the time. I went to the toilet and just sat down. Then it got trippy again and an entity appeared. Mine was female, don't ask me how I know, she was a pinky / orange / amber colour. Like you say curtains, mine had a transparent cloak type thing around her. This might seem weird but it reminded of a vagina :) She communicated to me that pure love is infinite and the only truth. I had tears running down my cheeks at this point. It was without doubt the most spiritual experience I've ever had.

These common threads that run thru dmt trips are what fascinates me. Why do people with no connections see the same things? It can't be a product of imagination or there wouldn't be these common threads....would they?
 
Haha, the toilet. I've tripped the hardest on 2C-B and LSD in there :D

Yes those common things are fascinating. Also when the first visuals came in, they didn't look like something originated from my mind, the patterns were so unique and alien, I have never seen them before.

I'm not opening a thread for this, just a few questions I'd like to know more about :)

Are you aware of your surroundings when you brake through? Like, does it occur to you during trip, where your body is?
Could you open your eyes if you wanted? What would you see then?
Do you hear anything inside or outside the trip?
 
No I agree, the visuals are not like something invented from the mind, way too complex for that.
When I've broke through, I would say the break through is when I detatch from my body.
1st time I had familar visuals, like the peak of LSD / Shroomz. Then the feeling of lifting off down a tunnel, then I was "there".
2nd time was totally different. Wasn't sure it was working at first, no intense lift off, no visuals, then boom and I was "there" again. Detachment.

Yeah I could open my eyes, if I wanted to. The only time I've opened my eyes during the trip is when it gets too much and I need to check that I haven't crossed over into another dimension with my physical being. The colours and visuals when I've done that are amazing, but I prefer to keep them shut. I find it a smoother journey.

Yeah I can hear things both inside and outside of the trip. Any outward noise seems like a distraction though, not helpful to the experience. I've had music on both times but now i think I'll do it in silence outwardly. It causes my mind to wander from the trip at times.
Inside the trip I can hear things, strange language, higher frequencies, nothing legible but understandable if ya know what I mean.
 
I see, thanks! I found the right kind of ambient music (that doesn't have any tempo or beat, only atmospheric sounds) is really nice, but still grounding me down so I'm also going without music next time.
 
What are your thoughts on more than person tripping at the same time on DMT? I was all up for that until Saturday night. When I was gone, my mate was bopping his head to the music, I could feel his energy interfering with mine inside the trip, also I had my eyes closed, the lights were off, there was no way I could see what he was doing......but in my mind I could see him clear as day. I said out loud "that's not helping mate" he said I thought you had you eyes shut, I did I told him.That when we decided dual trips were a bad idea on DMT incase one persons interferes with the the others trip.
 
I think it doesn't matter if the others are completely silent. When there was the three of us, I could hear them whisper, one of them was eating an apple and when I heard the 'crack' apple makes when bit, that was a grounding feeling and for some reason I started to laugh and the visions quckly faded.
The second time there was two of us, my friend was silent as a grave, meditating. I forgot he was there, no interference.

Now after typing this I realised you asked about simultaneously tripping with others. I have no personal experience about that as we did it each after. But I've read about people feeling some sort of interference, even sense of entities crossing from one's trip to the other's.
 
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