Leprechaun
Bluelighter
This is the long term review to the original experiment posted here -> https://www.bluelight.org/community/threads/dl-methamphetamine-whats-all-the-fuss.949406/
INTRODUCTION
I was first introduced to meth-amphetamine when I was around some friends who smoked it, before that I had done a few pills which were likely loaded with amphetamine and/or methamphetamine.
My smoking friends gave me some to try now and then, the first couple of times, I think it was back around 2004/2005. I enjoyed the effects and found them nice, but they lasted a ludicrous amount of time and the following week was always a train wreck of tired feeling and low mood. I never saw any reason to do it again.
Some of those friends I saw continue to use and use, I could never understand why they did so, it just had no appeal to me.
Again in around 2008/9 I got to know a dealer who would run ounces around town. He was a good friend and gave me a few tries. Same thing, it felt nice, followed by anxiety and really poor mood and tired effects following smoking. Doses were likely around maybe 50mg or so I would say. Never had a real appeal. The environment around people smoking was also bizarre and unpleasant, people who were rather unkempt and often referred to paranoid ideation.
For a long time I didn't even think twice about it until around 2017, during which I had been experimenting with various compounds and was using coca tea to self medicate a relationship which was torture. I was able to get out fortunately...
So I decided to order what I remember was 500mg. I snorted, around 50-100mg and also dosed 2C-B. It was fascinating. I couldn't stop writing and was full of creative output for 6-8 hours nonstop.
The following days were horrendous, I binned the remaining amounts I had. A few months later, I ordered some again, and this time I used lower doses at parties for prolonging sex while playing the scene. Soon after I met a girl and dropped it again. Always had the same problem with it having terrible effects the following week and never worth it.
Fast forward again to 2025, and after reading Dr Carl Harts take, I decided to research more into the history and pharmacology of the compound.
This time I decided to run a thorough set of pre-dosed experiments from 5mg - 50mg. Over the course of about 6 months I tried it at various doses, only orally and never more than 30mg in one dose, and no more than 50mg in one day.
After all those experiments and my previous experience, I realised a number of things, which tell me that dl-methamphetamine is not a "nice" or "predictable" drug, and I don't see any reason ever to try it again, with the exception of an emergency event requiring focus throughout a 12 hour period overnight. Even then, I would doubt it's need.
COMPARING TO AMPHETAMINE
The desire to redose is the same, the effects almost the same also. However, the duration is far shorter, so there is far less chance to lose sleep.
EIther of Amphetamine or Methamphetamine have little better effects than that of a good nights sleep and regular exercise.
DOSAGE EFFECTS (Oral)
5mg Morniing - Mild alertness throughout the day, no mood effects, no change in concentration. Some minor sleep disturbances. Equate to 40mg of Caffeine.
10mg Morning - Moderate alertness through the day, mild mood improvement, increased focus. Obvious sleep disturbances. Desire to want to dose more. Some increased sexual perception.
15mg Morning - Same as 10mg with more mood improvement, however, after 6hrs there is increased anxiety. Increased desire to redose.
25mg Morning - Very nice mood feelings. Also, significant post mood lift anxiety. No real desire to redose. Sleep is completely messed up.
20mg + 20mg - Prolonged nice feelings, panic/anxiety effects after 12 hrs. No sleep.
THE PROBLEM
Well as you can see, anything where the effects are nice you have a number of fundamental issues. These include major sleep disturbances requiring a cycle of sleep aids. And also, the desire to redose during the effects simply leads you to use amounts that will destroy your sleep and then later add significant anxiety.
THE ADDICTION
The worst part of it all, is the subtle changes to your perception of the world around you in the 2 weeks following. The more I experimented, the more I noticed
1. Thinking of using.
2. Less enjoyment in generally enjoyable activities.
There in lies the trap.
I never considered how it could be addictive if you slam high doses on yourself, as the after effects are so terrible.
However, if you use low doses an work your way up, the addictive/habituation potential is real. It has significant impacts on sleep and if you do not plan your doses, and end up using more than 100mg-200mg will little to no tolerance. Without tranquilizers, you're going to end up in a bad place, likely needing to be sedated.
The highest daily dose I tried was 40mg day 1 and 40mg day 2. It was absolutely horrendous anxiety the end of the second dose. I couldn't stand it, and scary thing was I was still thinking of how I could maybe do 10mg only and be ok. When it was obvious, rationaly that there is no benefit at all to using it. It scared me.
So yeah, after all that experimenting. Sad to say that dl-methamphetamine is not an ally and I won't be experimenting with it ever again... I'll stick with Phenypiracetam and Caffeine.
INTRODUCTION
I was first introduced to meth-amphetamine when I was around some friends who smoked it, before that I had done a few pills which were likely loaded with amphetamine and/or methamphetamine.
My smoking friends gave me some to try now and then, the first couple of times, I think it was back around 2004/2005. I enjoyed the effects and found them nice, but they lasted a ludicrous amount of time and the following week was always a train wreck of tired feeling and low mood. I never saw any reason to do it again.
Some of those friends I saw continue to use and use, I could never understand why they did so, it just had no appeal to me.
Again in around 2008/9 I got to know a dealer who would run ounces around town. He was a good friend and gave me a few tries. Same thing, it felt nice, followed by anxiety and really poor mood and tired effects following smoking. Doses were likely around maybe 50mg or so I would say. Never had a real appeal. The environment around people smoking was also bizarre and unpleasant, people who were rather unkempt and often referred to paranoid ideation.
For a long time I didn't even think twice about it until around 2017, during which I had been experimenting with various compounds and was using coca tea to self medicate a relationship which was torture. I was able to get out fortunately...
So I decided to order what I remember was 500mg. I snorted, around 50-100mg and also dosed 2C-B. It was fascinating. I couldn't stop writing and was full of creative output for 6-8 hours nonstop.
The following days were horrendous, I binned the remaining amounts I had. A few months later, I ordered some again, and this time I used lower doses at parties for prolonging sex while playing the scene. Soon after I met a girl and dropped it again. Always had the same problem with it having terrible effects the following week and never worth it.
Fast forward again to 2025, and after reading Dr Carl Harts take, I decided to research more into the history and pharmacology of the compound.
This time I decided to run a thorough set of pre-dosed experiments from 5mg - 50mg. Over the course of about 6 months I tried it at various doses, only orally and never more than 30mg in one dose, and no more than 50mg in one day.
After all those experiments and my previous experience, I realised a number of things, which tell me that dl-methamphetamine is not a "nice" or "predictable" drug, and I don't see any reason ever to try it again, with the exception of an emergency event requiring focus throughout a 12 hour period overnight. Even then, I would doubt it's need.
COMPARING TO AMPHETAMINE
The desire to redose is the same, the effects almost the same also. However, the duration is far shorter, so there is far less chance to lose sleep.
EIther of Amphetamine or Methamphetamine have little better effects than that of a good nights sleep and regular exercise.
DOSAGE EFFECTS (Oral)
5mg Morniing - Mild alertness throughout the day, no mood effects, no change in concentration. Some minor sleep disturbances. Equate to 40mg of Caffeine.
10mg Morning - Moderate alertness through the day, mild mood improvement, increased focus. Obvious sleep disturbances. Desire to want to dose more. Some increased sexual perception.
15mg Morning - Same as 10mg with more mood improvement, however, after 6hrs there is increased anxiety. Increased desire to redose.
25mg Morning - Very nice mood feelings. Also, significant post mood lift anxiety. No real desire to redose. Sleep is completely messed up.
20mg + 20mg - Prolonged nice feelings, panic/anxiety effects after 12 hrs. No sleep.
THE PROBLEM
Well as you can see, anything where the effects are nice you have a number of fundamental issues. These include major sleep disturbances requiring a cycle of sleep aids. And also, the desire to redose during the effects simply leads you to use amounts that will destroy your sleep and then later add significant anxiety.
THE ADDICTION
The worst part of it all, is the subtle changes to your perception of the world around you in the 2 weeks following. The more I experimented, the more I noticed
1. Thinking of using.
2. Less enjoyment in generally enjoyable activities.
There in lies the trap.
I never considered how it could be addictive if you slam high doses on yourself, as the after effects are so terrible.
However, if you use low doses an work your way up, the addictive/habituation potential is real. It has significant impacts on sleep and if you do not plan your doses, and end up using more than 100mg-200mg will little to no tolerance. Without tranquilizers, you're going to end up in a bad place, likely needing to be sedated.
The highest daily dose I tried was 40mg day 1 and 40mg day 2. It was absolutely horrendous anxiety the end of the second dose. I couldn't stand it, and scary thing was I was still thinking of how I could maybe do 10mg only and be ok. When it was obvious, rationaly that there is no benefit at all to using it. It scared me.
So yeah, after all that experimenting. Sad to say that dl-methamphetamine is not an ally and I won't be experimenting with it ever again... I'll stick with Phenypiracetam and Caffeine.
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