DL-MDMA / MDMA, any difference??

[d3rf]

while in discussion on another thread and reading on erowid i seen dl-mdma mentioned, iv been trying to find any information on this and all i can find is some website that claim to be selling it... has anybody heard of it or know if there is any difference between it and mdma? i havnt been able to find any usefull info on this yet lol

 

[Bearlove]

DL-MDMA, from what I know is mdma made from only synthetic precursors?

I dont know any other dl-MDMA? Is the site not offering dl MDMA hydrocloride ?

 

[d3rf]

yea i think its dl mdma hydrochloride... is that the neck of the woods as mdma? do u know how theyr able to be selling it?

 

[d3rf]

is a precursor like the safrole oil? i have heard of cloves being used instead of it but didnt realise it could be done totally synthetic . thats quite interesting.. or have i got the wrong end of the stick? lol

 

[greenmeanies]

DL means racemic (both enantiomers present) instead of pure D or pure L (also referred to as S and R in another naming system)

i'm not sure which (D or L) corresponds to S/R naming, but R-MDMA is supposed to be less potent than S-MDMA which is responsible for most of the positive empathogenic effects. R-MDMA is supposed to be closer to the psychedelic amphetamine side of things (R-DOM is more psychedelic than S-DOM, which is more speedy)

i'm going to guess that MDMA made from safrole is mix of R/S anyway? and whatever site you're reading about D/L is trying to look legitimate by adding more letters, but it's most likely a scam if they claim to sell anything D and L are usually reserved for things like amino acids or sugars while R and S are used for everything else that might be chiral. (biology textbooks use D/L, chemistry textbook use R/S)

EDIT: wiki. The common methods of production of MDMA are nonselective for chirality (they produce 50/50 R/S)

MDMA is a chiral compound and has been almost exclusively administered as a racemate. However, an early uncontrolled report suggests that the (S)-enantiomer is significantly more potent in humans than the (R)-enantiomer[117][118] indicate that the disposition of MDMA is stereoselective, with the S-enantiomer having a shorter elimination half-life and greater excretion than the R-enantiomer. For example, Fallon et al.[117] reported that the area under the blood plasma concentration versus time curve (AUC) was two to four times higher for the (R)-enantiomer than the (S)-enantiomer after a 40 mg oral dose in human volunteers. Likewise, the plasma half-life of (R)-MDMA was significantly longer than that of the (S)-enantiomer (5.8 ± 2.2 hours vs 3.6 ± 0.9 hours). However, because MDMA has dose dependent kinetics, it is likely that these half-lives would be higher at more typical doses (100 mg is sometimes considered a typical dose). Given as the racemate, MDMA has a half-life of around 8 hours.

 

[socalthizzn]

is a precursor like the safrole oil? i have heard of cloves being used instead of it but didnt realise it could be done totally synthetic . thats quite interesting.. or have i got the wrong end of the stick? lol

Mdma is made from the precursor safrole.
Bk-mdma is made from khat plant. Using different pre cursors and trying to synth a particular molecule from them gets you all these other md's i think.

 

[d3rf]

i find the chemistry behind it all very interesting but at the same time its gibberish sometimes haha thanks for the feedback on this, it was really confusing the hell out of me lol god bless those guys in white coats

 

[MarkoPolo]

i doubt "dl mdma" would be any different form mdma in the eyes of the law.

that website claiming to sell it is either a hoax id say, OR based in a country with a lack of laws. cameroon or something!