dr. dissociative
Greenlighter
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Hi.
This is something that I briefly alluded to in one of the Big & Dandy MXE threads a while ago now but for some reason it never occurred to me to make a formal thread about it. I am including all the relevant information that I can think of in the OP so I don't have to explain myself later, but due to the length of the post I have also summerised my questions in the final paragraphs.
I have had a fair bit of experience with dissociatives over nearly 2 years, and this has been primarily through insufflated ketamine (I have no access to vials and won't IM until I do) and methoxetamine (sublingual and insufflation generally). I have also used nitrous to a lesser extent, and had some brief experiments with diphenedine and methoxphenidine recently.
Despite my love of dissociative drugs for their effects on cognition, euphoria and amazing potentiation potential when combined with psychedelics, when I use ketamine or methoxetamine alone, or with drugs which wouldn't generally cause prominant visual effects on me (cannabis, MDMA etc.), I don't experience any closed eye visuals except from very mild and indistinct visuals at incredibly high doses, nor do I experience any abnormal open eyed hallucinations (beyond the standard non-psychedelic drunken/"things looking different" visual effects that dissociatives bring). This is the case regardless of the dose, and I have takenwell beyond the recommended dosage for a "hole"/OBE effect on numerous occasions. In all of my experiments with dissociatives (too many to count), I can only remember 3 very briefinstances of OBE (excluding combinations with psychedelic drugs), and these were generally in very high doses in combination with MDMA (which I will not count as psychedelic for my purpose here) or mephedrone and cannabis. Each of these was dreamlike in nature, and did not seem to live up to the potential that I have read these drugs have.
I do get all the other expected effects across the dosage range, such as cognitive detatchment, loss of coordination, euphoria, slurred speach, poor short term memory, limited access to long term memory on high doses (i.e. forgetting computer passwords I use everyday) and detatchment from the senses proportional to dosage (although this seems to reach a ceiling, hence I don't hole or blackout even on very high doses).
Some final bits of relevant information which may help me find an answer: I do have a bit of tolerance to dissociatives but nothing insane (I have never used daily for more than 3 around days, and have had periods of considerable abstinence since I began using). Furthermore, this is an issue that I have had since I began using this class of drugs, so there must be more going on than tolerance issues. I believe that quality of the drugs can be safely ruled out as the problem as I have used with a number of friends who have experienced the full range of expected effects, often from lower doses than myself.
TL;DR
I am wondering is whether anyone knows of any physiological reason (not tolerance, or past abuse, see above!) which could be preventing me from experiencing the full psychedelic effects which I have read that dissociatives are capable of (significant CEVs, the OBE "dissociative hole" effect)? Perhaps some unusual nuance with my NMDA system is causing this?
If so, is there anything that can be done to remedy this? Any and all relevant suggestions are welcome.
Is there anyone else out there who is in my position, or knows of someone in my position? I ask this because I have never heard of anyone experiencing such difficulties with trying to experience the full dissociative effect.
Thanks in advance for any wisdom or advice. It is highly frustrating that dissociatives are amongst my favourite recreational substances, yet from what I understand I am only scratching the surface of what they have to offer!
This is something that I briefly alluded to in one of the Big & Dandy MXE threads a while ago now but for some reason it never occurred to me to make a formal thread about it. I am including all the relevant information that I can think of in the OP so I don't have to explain myself later, but due to the length of the post I have also summerised my questions in the final paragraphs.
I have had a fair bit of experience with dissociatives over nearly 2 years, and this has been primarily through insufflated ketamine (I have no access to vials and won't IM until I do) and methoxetamine (sublingual and insufflation generally). I have also used nitrous to a lesser extent, and had some brief experiments with diphenedine and methoxphenidine recently.
Despite my love of dissociative drugs for their effects on cognition, euphoria and amazing potentiation potential when combined with psychedelics, when I use ketamine or methoxetamine alone, or with drugs which wouldn't generally cause prominant visual effects on me (cannabis, MDMA etc.), I don't experience any closed eye visuals except from very mild and indistinct visuals at incredibly high doses, nor do I experience any abnormal open eyed hallucinations (beyond the standard non-psychedelic drunken/"things looking different" visual effects that dissociatives bring). This is the case regardless of the dose, and I have takenwell beyond the recommended dosage for a "hole"/OBE effect on numerous occasions. In all of my experiments with dissociatives (too many to count), I can only remember 3 very briefinstances of OBE (excluding combinations with psychedelic drugs), and these were generally in very high doses in combination with MDMA (which I will not count as psychedelic for my purpose here) or mephedrone and cannabis. Each of these was dreamlike in nature, and did not seem to live up to the potential that I have read these drugs have.
I do get all the other expected effects across the dosage range, such as cognitive detatchment, loss of coordination, euphoria, slurred speach, poor short term memory, limited access to long term memory on high doses (i.e. forgetting computer passwords I use everyday) and detatchment from the senses proportional to dosage (although this seems to reach a ceiling, hence I don't hole or blackout even on very high doses).
Some final bits of relevant information which may help me find an answer: I do have a bit of tolerance to dissociatives but nothing insane (I have never used daily for more than 3 around days, and have had periods of considerable abstinence since I began using). Furthermore, this is an issue that I have had since I began using this class of drugs, so there must be more going on than tolerance issues. I believe that quality of the drugs can be safely ruled out as the problem as I have used with a number of friends who have experienced the full range of expected effects, often from lower doses than myself.
TL;DR
I am wondering is whether anyone knows of any physiological reason (not tolerance, or past abuse, see above!) which could be preventing me from experiencing the full psychedelic effects which I have read that dissociatives are capable of (significant CEVs, the OBE "dissociative hole" effect)? Perhaps some unusual nuance with my NMDA system is causing this?
If so, is there anything that can be done to remedy this? Any and all relevant suggestions are welcome.
Is there anyone else out there who is in my position, or knows of someone in my position? I ask this because I have never heard of anyone experiencing such difficulties with trying to experience the full dissociative effect.
Thanks in advance for any wisdom or advice. It is highly frustrating that dissociatives are amongst my favourite recreational substances, yet from what I understand I am only scratching the surface of what they have to offer!
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