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Dissapointed with Heroin

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Disappointed with Heroin...

So I finally cop some H in miami and quickly go home to get it in my system. I had my 29 guage needles and spoon ready. I come home, put the dope in the spooin, add about 40 units of water, stir, heat gently until a small boiling occurs, draw it up with a small cotton and shoot a whole bag. The H was brown in color and smelled very distinctive. My friend said it was a 5 on a scale from 1 to 10. I did a 10 bag in one shot. It really wasn't that great. I got the sedated feeling pretty strong but the euphoria wasnt AWESOME. I actually think IV oxy was stronger. I did this about 5-6 times, getting sometimes lighter tan stuff and sometimes brown stuff. I really liked the tan stuff but still felt like I was missing out. My friends would be totally TRASHED and I was shooting a bag and 1/2 at once and just getting like a mild ok high. To me, shooting coke was 10x better (just doesnt last at all). Do you think its possible I was expecting too much of heroin ?


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This is not some shit I got from a friend or anything. I went to a KNOWN spot in miami and got it from diff people every time. My pupils go straight to pinpoint when I'm high on it, more so then oxy. Im not doubting the quality of it that much either. I always have had a little of a tolerance to opiates naturally. (Would shoot OC80's with no problem, I'm only 5'5 130)
 
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it is not unusual to be disappointed with heroin with your first couple attempts at using. it is one of those drugs that takes a couple instances of use to sort of "figure out the high." and once you figure out the high you usually then start quite liking the high.

I can definetely say this applies to your position because you said you strongly preferred IV OC to IV heroin. it is very rare to prefer OC to the big H.
 
Yea thats what BLEW my mind. I dont even like Oxy that much, but it still felt "stronger". There was more of a rush for sure with H but seemed a little weak. I dont wanna increase my dosage either, because knowing my luck Ill do 2 bags and end up dead in 5 seconds :). Altho I do know exactly what you are talking about with "getting used to" the high. Took me a long time to ever enjoy any opiates.
 
Do you think its possible I was expecting too much of heroin ?
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Yes, just like I and most people did. There is a big body of literature behind Heroin and Cocaine by several classic authors which makes these drugs to be much more than they really are (that is true for even some of the scientific literature, heh). However, I wouldnt dare say that H is overrated, but more so that people have unrealistic imaginations of these drugs before they try them. I know I did, and pretty much the same goes to almost everyone I talked to.

Although I have not IVed oxycodone (and never will - I only swallow oxy when I have it. Snorting has too many side-effects for me, I can only imagine how horrible they would be with IV!), I can see how a lot of people would think oxy is stronger than high-quality H. The latter (also tan coloured clumpy powder in my experience. Better than pure-looking white powder, actually) is very subtle and seems to need to be learned. One of the best experiences of my life was the 6th or 7th time I injected H. I think dose with opiates in general but H in particular is a bit tricky (as in, too much produces as little euphoria as too little), and having non-standard purity makes it infinitely trickier.

I would normally suggest you back out before you "figure it out," so to speak, but I guess you're already into IVing things so I guess you'll just have to keep trying (carefully) untill you find your sweet spot)...
 
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Around here, I call that BAD Heroin.

29 is a pretty small needle, damn.

I never go above 27s.

Anyway, yes - your standards might be a little to high, and maybe from so much Oxycontin use, you might have thought that H was way stronger then Oxycontin?

I personally find Heroin to be the most euphoric Opiate, much more euphoric then Fentanyl [Fent's to sedating], and it could also be that you had horrible H. You got alot of cut in your shit.

Your buddy could've had better shit, and mistaken yours and his for the same thing..
 
^^^exactly

the only time i was dissapointed with heroin was when i got some low quality tar
 
It could be an acquired taste. Keep trying and post again in a month. I have a feeling you might change your mind.

Also, keep in mind that some people expect way too much from their first time. After they've read about it and talked to people that have tried it, their expectations are completely unrealistic.

For example, take the popular Trainspotting quote from Renton: "Take the best orgasm you ever had, multiply it by a thousand and you're still nowhere near it." Talk to any dope fiend and even they'll tell you that's a gross exaggeration.

I find that on average, it takes people a little bit of use until they until they completely appreciate it.
 
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So you were dissapointed with Heroin. This may not be a bad thing.
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I think this statement is very true. I've already been through IV cocaine addiction and I am actually doing well in life right now. Liking H too much would probably put a spin on things (for the worse:\ ).
 
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Around here, I call that BAD Heroin.

29 is a pretty small needle, damn.

I never go above 27s.

Anyway, yes - your standards might be a little to high, and maybe from so much Oxycontin use, you might have thought that H was way stronger then Oxycontin?

I personally find Heroin to be the most euphoric Opiate, much more euphoric then Fentanyl [Fent's to sedating], and it could also be that you had horrible H. You got alot of cut in your shit.

Your buddy could've had better shit, and mistaken yours and his for the same thing..
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Why go so big? I cant even get 27's anyway if I wanted... The smallest I've used is 31 and they totally suck for me. 29 is definatley my favorite because they dont bruise my arms and still registers nicely. Actually my first time I used a 26 gauge needle and missed like a billion times. Like a bull in a china shop I just kept poking myself till I finally hit blood. Needle was too big and I was too stupid.
 
Shit I can't believe nobody has said this so far----
You already said you have a natural tolerance
you said you shoot 80's.....

its obvious you need more than 1 (or 1 1/2, whatever) bag of H to get the high you want.
Equivalency varies greatly, but if you're still doing an 80 now to get high (or maybe more) you will need a good amount of H.
Try 2 bags. if thats not enough, 2 1/2 or 3.
Just keep it safe (I had to say that so no one would bitch at me)

keep shooting!
 
i was really disapointed with heroin as well... and i had it about 12 times from 12 different sources so i must have had some good dope sometimes but there wasent enough pleasure to get me addicted.

i prefer hydromorphone but even with hydromorphone only the first few times were goog... now its just a was mix of sedation / nausea / some euphoria.

I think opiates gained a good reputation when they were legal and the quality unsurpassed.... there is more chances you will puke your guts out than feel total euphoria if you try heroine theses days.

Edit : i agree about the acquired taste theory too... i would compare it to cigarettes... theses are some stinky disgusting nauseating piece of garbage.. but once you start smoking them regularly they are one of the most addictive drug you can get.
 
i was into oxy before i ever tried H, and i think my first time trying H, i was expecting to feel alot of the things i'd loved about the oxy high. I think there's some little details about an oxy high that H doesn't really have, and vice versa - there's things about the H high that you wont get from oxy. (this is obvious as they're 2 different chems, although both opiates). After doing H a few times i started to notice the subteties about it that were unique to the drug, and for me, i ended up falling in love with the more sedating H. I like the heavy nods i get off H. (im comparing the ratio of euphoria to sedation. it seems like oxy produces less sedation than H for the similar amount of euphoria). Some people might prefer the more clearheaded "awake" opiated feeling from the oxy, while others like the dreamlike heavy nods from the H.

this is just my opinion of the effects between the 2 by the way. im sure some will disagree with me on the way i discribe the highs, but this is the conclusion i've drawn from my experience. maybe it'll make some sense.
 
johanneschimpo said:
Shit I can't believe nobody has said this so far----
You already said you have a natural tolerance
you said you shoot 80's.....

its obvious you need more than 1 (or 1 1/2, whatever) bag of H to get the high you want.
Equivalency varies greatly, but if you're still doing an 80 now to get high (or maybe more) you will need a good amount of H.
Try 2 bags. if thats not enough, 2 1/2 or 3.
Just keep it safe (I had to say that so no one would bitch at me)

keep shooting!
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Maybe I didnt make it clear or not... but all I said was I had shot 80's in the past. I havent done an 80 in over 4 months. Or any other opiate for that matter. The H I shot was with NO tolerance at all coming from an outside source (like doing any other pills before I shoot up).
 
miami dope blows, IMHO. Comes in those litle fucking caps. IF it's good dope, good china, first of all you should have no need to heat it at all--it should dissolve instantly in the cooker when mixed.
You gotta be in the northeast to get really good china, period. I could have an almost unliited supply of oxy through a friend if desired but wouldn't trade even a 160mg oxy for a bag of ny/nj heroin.....just totally different highs, and the euphoria from the oxy is nowhere near that of really good china...
 
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