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Disaster looms as oil slick reaches US coast

And what I'm saying is that standard of living is relative and subjectve. 300 years ago no one could have imagined a lifestyle that included big SUVs and McDonalds at every corner. The same goes for us; 100 years from now we might have amenities we 'can't live without' but never could have imagined until they became a reality. But that doesn't take away from our living standard, does it? I'm not trying to romantisize the past either--like you said, there were many unfortunate occurences that could have been avoided with access to technology, information, etc... more readily accessible today.

Regardless, the point of my post was to avoid the storm conversation. I get that they've been around forever. That's not the issue at hand. Our 'awesome' modern technology has (and will) create more problems than it solves. That's why I brought up industrial farming and friends. You convienantly only attacked portions of his post. There is more to it than storms and shootings--its the state of affairs that go on behind the scenes of our 'high' living standard. Is it really that high if people suffer just so you can build a bigger house? We can't be so selfish in our judgments.

At least I know I can't judge living standard unless I know where all my amenities come from, who makes them, and how they are made. That's more important than the service that good offers me. And what if, for example (lol), the technology that makes us live longer pushes us to overpopulate the earth which results in mass extinction? Was your living standard really that high? Nothing is free. We don't have it as good as you think. That my friend is the illusion.

Americans continue to push the boundries of depression, obesity, and other endemic diseases of mind and body that were effectively nonexistant at various points in history. How does our new high standard account for that suffering? Oh right, we've got a pill for that.

And no I don't think the world is going to end anytime soon....but our time here as humans surely might if we don't clean up our act. Soil can only be depleted so many times before the Dust Bowl Part 2: The Reckoning is released in theaters for eternity.
 
STOP, let's just stop now.




Mr. moonyham is now carrying the third world on his back and he's got a bone to pick with the evil Americans

let us now reference the thread titled "Let's talk about Racism."
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=441617&highlight=racism&page=4

^^^You reveal yourself to be a hardcore white supremacist.^^^

now we can continue to discuss the oil spill instead of deconstructing your mean spirited bitching about other peoples bitching and how you're greener than most and blah zay blah zay blah.
 
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What? lol. I dont even know how this refers to anything. Cool read though, im always entertained by my own writings, thanks.

I think your mad because your just typical ignorant american scum and youve been hurt by my words. The truth does that. It hurts ignorant people.
 
here's some quality oil spill porn that I found earlier today

Gulf Oil Spill - The Greatest Disaster Since The Flood?
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article20530.html

Joshua S. Burnett writes: Most articles begin with a purpose statement revealing what the author desires to convince the reader of. This article is different. These few paragraphs begin with a plea for someone to tell me that I’ve got the evidence all wrong and that what I see and know is a smoke filled illusion void of reality. I want someone who knows differently to tell me. So as you read this article please understand that I’m not attempting to be a fear-mongerer. Please know I’m no prophet or guru, just a guy who looks at all the evidence he has and draws conclusions. And if you know I’m wrong and why, please write and tell me.

First, let’s review the facts:

1. The spill has continued, unimpeded, for two months now.
2. No advancement has been made on actually plugging the leak.
3. Every attempt at plugging the leak thus far has failed, and failed totally. It’s not as if we’ve made progress and fallen just short. We haven’t done jack.
4. Not only have we not made any progress in plugging the leak, the estimates of how much oil is actually leaking have grown steadily to the point where the official rate is now twelve times higher than initially released (from 5k bbl/day to 60k bbl/day) and the private estimates double the official rate (120k bbl/day).
5. Before this, Exxon Valdez was the worst oil spill in American history. That took months for the initial cleanup and much of the oil spilled was unrecoverable (boom operations, the bread and butter of oil cleanup, only captures 20% of spilled crude) and continues to contaminate the area, years afterward. If current official estimates are to be believed (and they’re on the very low end of plausibility) we’ve got 15 Exxon Valdez’s already spilled in the Gulf. The equivalent of another Exxon Valdez is spilled every four days (every two days if private estimates of leak rates are true).
6. We’re now in hurricane season. We’ve averaged 11 named storm systems per season for the past 53 years.
7. Oil generally floats to the top of the water (exceptions to be explained later) which is the first liquid to be picked up by storm systems.
8. One quart of oil contaminates 250,000 gallons of water.
9. The Deepwater Horizon oil spill is located right off the Mississippi Gulf Coast.

Just considering these facts here’s what I would consider to be the expected outcome (not the worst case): first, we wouldn’t need anything more than a tropical storm (of which we can expect 11 in the geographical vicinity this year) to pick up a massive quantity of oil and rain it all over the coast to an inland distance of several hundred miles (it isn’t uncommon for hard rain from a tropical storm to reach as far north as Tennessee). This oil will destroy all vegetation it lands on and poison any surface water and probably shallow water tables. These water sources are what all local wildlife subsists on and the source for all city water purification I know of. You obviously see the problem here. I can see some of the hardier trees surviving if we get enough pure rainfall immediately following a tropical storm or hurricane drenching, but all this would do is to rinse the oil into ponds, lakes, streams, rivers, and the water table; cleaning this up would be a multiple year nightmare; recovery for the region would be measured in decades.

But that’s not all of it; here’s where I outline my “worst case” scenario. The main reason they’re having such incredible problems capping the darn thing is not because of depth; it’s because of internal well pressure. In the pre-drilling geological surveys a massive methane pocket was discovered coinciding with the oil deposits; this pocket is sitting at a pressure of 100,000 psi. Current engineering technology doesn’t exist to contain something at 100,000 psi, meaning efforts to cap this puppy are useless. The presence of this methane pocket is becoming harder to ignore as 40-70% of the emissions from the leak are now comprised of natural gas (and we’re still blowing out 60,000-120,000 barrels of oil a day). Best estimates put the amount of methane leaking at 2,900 cubic feet for every barrel of oil spilled (with an estimated 4.5-9.0 billion cubic feet of methane leaked so far… and the dang thing is STILL in six digit psi).

The secondary concern here is the pressure and what happens if (more like when) it is discovered that the oil leak can’t actually be capped as it spews with that amount of internal force. The primary concern is what happens if/when the methane pocket ruptures; some estimates put its size at 15-20 miles wide (at 100,000 pounds of pressure per square inch).

If the methane bubble explodes, it would create a tsunami that would wipe out anything within dozens (and possibly hundreds) of miles of the Gulf Coast in all directions (view this animation of the 2009 tsunami in Samoa and how it spread). The tsunami in the Indian Ocean in 2004 wiped out between 150,000-300,000 people, some as far away as South Africa. This was caused by an earthquake that shifted the ocean floor by meters. An explosion of this size would shift the ocean floor for miles. The Gulf is touched by the Mississippi River and opens into the Caribbean where it is exposed to the Panama Canal.

I’ve just outlined what I think would be the worst case scenario. So, for fairness sake, let’s turn our attention to the best case scenario. To do that let’s assume a few things:

1. The oil leak is capped today (a virtual impossibility, since BP’s most optimistic estimates don’t even put sufficient siphoning capability in the region until mid/late July). Or, let’s assume the oil runs out (yet another virtual impossibility seeing how it is still spewing out of the ground at 100,000 psi; this tells us there’s quite a bit more where that came from). But let’s assume one of these two possibilities.
2. We’ve got the equivalent of between 15 and 30 Exxon Valdez’s that have spilled in the Gulf. One of the inherent traits of oil is that it separates from water and rises to the top; but this inherent trait can be temporarily suspended. Think back to grade school when one of your teachers brought in colored water and oil mixed in a two liter bottle; if you shook it hard enough you could get the two to mechanically mix and it would take a period of time for the two to separate. That’s with the strength of a fourth grader. One of the problems revealed in this video is that much of the oil, spewing out at 100,000 psi, is still sitting at the bottom of the Gulf and spreading outward from there. This has severe long term implications for the fishing and shipping industries across the Gulf states. As large a deal as other industries are made of in the Gulf States it is the Gulf itself that drives them; without a living Gulf fishing, shrimping, crabbing, oystering, and tourism are all gone. With them goes the economic viability of the area.
3. With immediate concern I see the possibility of a large quantity of oil being dropped across the coast as virtually unavoidable, and with it goes the large scale poisoning of flora and fauna… and there too goes the long term economic viability of the coast.

Best case? Oil rains down within 300 miles of the Gulf Coast, poisoning flora and fauna and turning the major parts of the Gulf States into disaster areas. Large scale evacuations will have to be made in any contaminated areas simply due to the carcinogenic risk of the oil; this will create large refugee camps outside of the immediate disaster areas and the economic ripple effect will be felt nationwide; this will obviously impact the world economic scene in a negative fashion.

That’s the best case scenario.

Worst case? The methane bubble explodes, causing a tsunami that wipes out 80% of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida. Large portions of Texas are also destroyed. The Gulf islands and Mexico will be in the same boat. All of the oil platforms currently drilling in the Gulf would be torn away from their moorings, creating further oil leaks that would exacerbate the problems already there.

Does all of this sound fantastic and like I’m completely off of my rocker? I know it does to me, and I’m writing the dang article. But I just can’t get away from the fact that this is where the trail of evidence leads me. Three and a half million barrels of oil don’t just disappear. A methane bubble that size at those pressures doesn’t just quit pumping. So I’m asking someone to tell me that I’m nuts, and why. Tell me that none of my reasoning makes sense and what the real answers are.
 
nothing to do with it?

Yeah, ALOT of cool ass shit.

But ultimately, what i mean is. Stop bitching. People need to STOP BITCHING. We have it(we, westerners) soooooooooo good its not even funny. We are literally living like KINGS. 10$ and i can walk to the supermarket and get myself some beutiful peaches from the US, some french chocolate, some iranian pistachio nuts, and some energizers to power my mp3 player which contains thousands of songs that i got for free from a communication portal to the rest of the fucking world.

THATS bad? Thats not even rich shit.. poor people can do that in western countries.

So next time you think you got it so bad. Get 10$, walk to the supermarket, buy some nice ass fruit and nuts, then while you eat it, watch on your computer with an internet connection, some african kids sifting through rubbish heaps for scraps of food that have been left over from YOUR life style.

Fuck heads.. 8) People dont even know what 'bad' is.

PS: We have all this awesome food and technology available to us because of cheap oil, because of lack of taxes and regulations, because BP and other companies drill into the sea bed. This means, if we want cool shit, and if we want to live like kings, then youve got to live with the consequences, which is, oil spills, smog, and general pollution.

here you are shedding crocodile tears for people that who live extreme poverty. But you believe that these men and women live in such conditions because they are genetically inferior to yourself.

nothing to do with it?
 
Best case? Oil rains down within 300 miles of the Gulf Coast, poisoning flora and fauna and turning the major parts of the Gulf States into disaster areas. Large scale evacuations will have to be made in any contaminated areas simply due to the carcinogenic risk of the oil; this will create large refugee camps outside of the immediate disaster areas and the economic ripple effect will be felt nationwide; this will obviously impact the world economic scene in a negative fashion.

That’s the best case scenario.

Worst case? The methane bubble explodes, causing a tsunami that wipes out 80% of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida. Large portions of Texas are also destroyed. The Gulf islands and Mexico will be in the same boat. All of the oil platforms currently drilling in the Gulf would be torn away from their moorings, creating further oil leaks that would exacerbate the problems already there.

Alright, so this best case scenario that this guy wrote about.... is this possible? Would a hurricane do this?

The worst case scenario just seems like fear mongering to me, but I don't know.....
 
sorry I had to derail this train but moonyham...... if you don't want to get knocked off your pedestal then you shouldn't climb so high up on that bitch

Fail at reading in context. It was not to note how africans are living so badly, its to note how our lavish lifestyles cause extreme poverty, and that you have no fucking right to complain about it, atleast not in a 'my life is so shit' sense. 'My country is so shit and being run into the ground' is great however... seen as that is exactly what is happening to your country.

You are basically just.. fucked. You dont even know how to read(or write for that matter). By your lack in judgment in posting, im attaining your very upset and angry with what ive said about your country. Truth of the matter is, your just another american, being ignorant, starting fights out of nothing, steering direction from important issues to trivial ones. Why dont you run along and go work for fox, they'd love someone like you.

(btw, its obvious you know your wrong when you start deleting posts, thank fuck for quote huh!)
 
^^^you're an admitted white supremacist. I'm just putting it out there so no one wastes time with you.

Not really. If you would take the time to read that thread, it becomes pretty clear i just believe that each race has certain strengths and weaknesses. Physically, blacks are superior. There bodies not only are better designed for weather but age slower and last longer. White people have shit physical make up.. thats why we have moles and weird skin and freckles and odd hair colors.

Asians have high morale, and can set themselves a mission and complete it. Hence why we see communist china, but even this has gone on for a long time, the mongols for example. Few races have been as dedicated to the end as asian cultures.

White people are just good at taking advantage. A lazy race that tries to make everything easier. If you look at technology(lets say, kitchen technology), invented by whites vs asians, youll notice the white designs are for ease of use and speed(and looks), but asians are about efficiency and design proficiency. This goes to all aspects of product design, to cars, to houses.

You are simply close minded, ignorant, and generally just.. stupid from what i can tell. I have less white friends than asian/islander/african... so umm yeah, you really dont know what your talking about.

However, thats enough derailing. If you like, bump the other thread youve quoted me on. I dont really care eitherway, but this thread is about oil destroying your country, not about my racial theories.
 
>>PS: We have all this awesome food and technology available to us because of cheap oil, because of lack of taxes and regulations, because BP and other companies drill into the sea bed. This means, if we want cool shit, and if we want to live like kings, then youve got to live with the consequences, which is, oil spills, smog, and general pollution.>>

>>So I ask, which would you prefer: the swift, firm smack from reality when you don't do your duties to survive as a human being, or a slow, painful death that occurs when you become addicted to the lazy, unsustainable lifestyle of 'kings.' I prefer the term pigs over kings myself.>>

nice

unfortunately, they've bockaded us from recieving information that would lead us to informed behavior about this

the consequences of living like kings also seem to include incredible increases in mental disorders like autism, anxiety, depression, etc. pollution? all the chemicals?

my family considers me a radical for saying that all the chemicals we're breathing in while reconstructing/redecorating, all our paints and detergents and other chems, are most likely worse for our lifespan/biology than marijuana and other illegal drugs. just one example of information blockade
 
I think alot of people are just.. stupid. If something smells chemically.. your smelling that because your inhaling small chemical particles, which go into your blood stream. Doesnt take a science degree to figure that shit aint good for you. I have like, Verminophobia but to chemicals.

I have a pet peeve.. which imo isnt really a pet peeve its just, me being rational. I cant stand/understand how people use scraped up/fucked up flaky non stick fry pans. Like seriously.. it says on the box DO NOT USE METAL... so what do people do? Use metal, every time, till it just looks like a fucking bomb went off in the frypan, till you physically get little flecks of teflon sticking to your finger if you wipe it across the surface... omfg so sick.. ive declined many dinners because of this.
 
The Doom Alarm is high as hell for the GULF imo....
I honestly believe they will not be able to stop the leak....
All they will be able to do is evacuate; and treat the people from the "Sickness" and i bet when they do that it will be to late...
Camp FEMA shirts for lots of gulf coasters
 
First Tropical Storm Looms over Gulf—How Oil Spill May Intensify Hurricanes


First Tropical Storm Looms over Gulf—How Oil Spill May Intensify Hurricanes
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June 26, 2010 (LPAC) —The National Hurricane Center said at 2:00 p.m. on Friday that it gives an 80% chance of the low-pressure center in the Western Caribbean, turning into a tropical storm. (It would be named Alex.) The definition of a low pressure zone is anything below 39 mile per hour winds; that or above, is a tropical storm.

In analyzing the likely effect of a hurricane on the massive oil spill, some meteorologists have pointed to the possibility of a phenomenon called explosive intensification. During hurricane season, the warm waters of the Gulf Loop Current can serve to produce a sudden decrease in the atmospheric pressure of a tropical cyclone, a phenomenon known as rapid deepening, or rapid intensification. The lower the pressure, generally the higher the winds and the more destructive the effect of a storm.

The fear is that if a significant amount of oil begins circulating in the Loop Current, the dark surface layer will help to warm the waters, contributing to rapid or even explosive intensification of any tropical cyclone passing over. The National Weather Service defines rapid deepening, or intensification, as a decrease of 42 millibars in less than 24 hours. If the cyclone drops at a rate of at least 2.5 millibars per hour for a minimum of 12 hours, it is known as explosive intensification. The fastest recorded rate of intensification was in 2005 when Hurricane Wilma dropped 53 millibars in less than 6 hours. That same year, Katrina and Rita also underwent extremely rapid intensification.

The current low-pressure center has formed between Honduras and Cuba, and is expected to be at the Yucatan Peninsula within a couple of days. It is not knowable yet, if this storm takes shape, where it might land on the U.S. Gulf coast. It is certain that storm winds and effects would drive oil-laden waters significantly inland in low-lying areas.

Read more here:

http://larouchepac.com/node/14987
 
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