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Disaster looms as oil slick reaches US coast

BP has gotten smaller oil companies also involved in the oil rig explosion to agree to contribute to the 20 bil fund along with BP. companies that had plenty to do with the safety equipment etc. the boat was a joint venture, even if mostly BP

also... lol @ first lol of thread. aan you do seem to keep missing all of his points yet still manage to get rants out

Yeah I said awhile back that if other people are responsible, they'll be brought into it too. That takes time to determine responsibility. I never said BP would or should take 100% responsibility. Volundr was upset that BP was being held responsible. I simply said BP has already been shown to cut corners so they're being fined. As other parties are brought into it, they'll be fined too.

Please feel free to explain his points or contribute any of your own. I'd be happy to hear more irrelevant reasons for why BP shouldn't be paying 20 billion.
 
^we need the energy, but BP needs to profit from our energy. they pushed the profit lever up, ignoring the satefy-meter reading falling as the profit reading soared up

you're right that our materialist culture is partly to blame, though, of course. but the actions that resulted in nonsafe drilling were in the hands of a company, and the company gave no thought to personal worker safety or global ecosystem safety
 
I recognize that my whole "ride a bike" ethos seems oversimplified...

But I am trying to say there should be an element of buyer beware kinda thinking. Know who you are buying from.

lol stoner moment "when i buy weed i usually try to support ethical upstanding marijuana salesman rather than shady drug peddlers...because i know the way the drug peddlers get their business done. sure the better dope costs more, but it is worth it in the long run to go with sustainable dude than volatile unstable dude. its a matter of principle. "
 
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And it's twice as big as Lake Erie. It would probably take about 8-10 hours to drive from one end of it to the other... it's huge.

Anyways this is pretty good speech by a Senator about how the oil companies took over the agency that was supposed to regulate them, and how most other parts of the government are the same way. Everybody is looking at BP right now, but that agency was also at fault. He says maybe the attorney general should have the power to investigate agencies and fix them if they are corrupted by their industries.
 
This slick is bigger than you have all seen. They use a type of chemical that causes some of the slick to sink below the surface. Not only is it coming out of the broken well head, but here are also additional fissures in the ground where it is coming out off.

A few decades ago some Russians discovered that numerous wells they had that were the deepest ever were being topped off with oil... From the bottom. They speculate that there is a layer in the Earths crust that is an "oil reactor" if you will. It has made many scientists rethink where oil exactly comes from and has even made some believe peak oil is nothing but hogwash. This is also why Russia does indeed have more oil than the Middle East.

Now this oil well BP drilled is one the deepest ever. They drilled into directly into this layer the Russians had been researching. The Russians never drilled into it because they lacked the technology to safely do so. BP decided to throw safety out the window and try to one up there Russian oil competitors. They got to greedy and drilled to deep. The pressures of the oil, the sea, and harsh conditions caused the cement job for the oil rig to fail and this along with the dead battery on the blowout preventer caused the rig to blow up.

Not only is oil coming out but sulfur, hot mud, and other chemicals associated not just with oil but with volcanic activity. Not only did they drill into that oil producing layer of the Earth, but they drilled into a basulith, a pocket of volcanic activity, where the Earths mantle is closest to the crust. That's why the water is turning into sulfuric acid and why the plumes underwater are just not black, but gray and white and all kinds of gasses are being released.

My cab driver used to be in business with Halliburton. He used to own and drill wells before his drug addiction lost him everything. One of of his friends who now works for BP has told him what exactly is going on. This disaster is bigger than you think.
 
And it's twice as big as Lake Erie. It would probably take about 8-10 hours to drive from one end of it to the other... it's huge.

Try the size of PA, of course they wont show you that, and that's just the surface. What lies beneath is even worse. It's like an iceburg. And the water is like fucking cake mix.

Wait until a hurricane or tropical storm comes through and it starts raining oil and sulfuric acid.

This disaster is going to get worse before it gets better. Not only the environment is fucked, but this is going to be the blow that knocks out our economy. Usually when the stock market fails, people begin investing in energy because it's all that left, this investment should of began already but with this disaster, nobody wants anything to do financially with drilling for oil, leasing land for natural gas drilling, etc...
 
And it's twice as big as Lake Erie. It would probably take about 8-10 hours to drive from one end of it to the other... it's huge.

Anyways this is pretty good speech by a Senator about how the oil companies took over the agency that was supposed to regulate them, and how most other parts of the government are the same way. Everybody is looking at BP right now, but that agency was also at fault. He says maybe the attorney general should have the power to investigate agencies and fix them if they are corrupted by their industries.
wow somebody making sense from the inside of gov... with obama in power and the way congress behaves, i doubt anyone will listen to him
 
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/06/gulf-oil-spill-two-deaths-reported.html

Gulf oil spill: Two deaths reported [updated]
June 23, 2010 | 9:27 am

U.S. Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, incident commander of the Deepwater Horizon disaster, said the deaths of two spill workers were reported Wednesday. One of the dead was from the "vessel of opportunity" program in which local boats are enlisted to help the cleanup effort. The other involved a swimming pool accident. He gave no further details.

[Updated 10:21 a.m. Staff at the Baldwin County, Ala., coroner's office said they were investigating the death of a vessels of opportunity worker who collapsed before leaving the dock at Fort Morgan. The man's name has not been released. Gulf Shores police are investigating and plan to release information after 5 p.m. staff said. The detective handling the case did not return calls.

A spokeswoman for the Gulf Shores joint incident command said they were not investigating and had not been notified by authorities about what caused the man's death, or whether it was work-related. Spokeswoman Cortnee Ferguson said the man was a captain operating his own boat."
 
This is such a joke but it is not funny... As much as I dont like to admit it, the earth has been dying for awhile. This spill is just way out of control, just wait till mid summer when more problems keep piling up on top of this one eventually things will break. Sooner the better is what I say. 50 shot in chicago last weekend, insane storms here, earthquakes, oil spills, wars, a complete perfect storm waiting to happen, well its happening. I have a couple nice tents?

peace.
seedless
 
This is such a joke but it is not funny... As much as I dont like to admit it, the earth has been dying for awhile. This spill is just way out of control, just wait till mid summer when more problems keep piling up on top of this one eventually things will break. Sooner the better is what I say. 50 shot in chicago last weekend, insane storms here, earthquakes, oil spills, wars, a complete perfect storm waiting to happen, well its happening. I have a couple nice tents?

peace.
seedless

Oh yeah, remind me of all those times in human history where there wasnt any storms, wars, murders, pollution.

Oh wait you cant because thats never happened. Its always been like this, only usually its far worse. You think war is bad NOW? Dude, 10's of thousands of men would charge at each other with swords and hack each other to death daily. Plagues would nearly wipe out entire continents. Storms would cause millions to starve to death. Murder and rape was a common occurance and had to be watched out for constantly.

At this point in time, humanity is doing VERY WELL on the death/badbuzz scale.
 
indeed. let's be thankful for what we have

our materialist empire has afforded us all this cool ass shit, like the internet

just sayin :)
 
Yeah, ALOT of cool ass shit.

But ultimately, what i mean is. Stop bitching. People need to STOP BITCHING. We have it(we, westerners) soooooooooo good its not even funny. We are literally living like KINGS. 10$ and i can walk to the supermarket and get myself some beutiful peaches from the US, some french chocolate, some iranian pistachio nuts, and some energizers to power my mp3 player which contains thousands of songs that i got for free from a communication portal to the rest of the fucking world.

THATS bad? Thats not even rich shit.. poor people can do that in western countries.

So next time you think you got it so bad. Get 10$, walk to the supermarket, buy some nice ass fruit and nuts, then while you eat it, watch on your computer with an internet connection, some african kids sifting through rubbish heaps for scraps of food that have been left over from YOUR life style.

Fuck heads.. 8) People dont even know what 'bad' is.

PS: We have all this awesome food and technology available to us because of cheap oil, because of lack of taxes and regulations, because BP and other companies drill into the sea bed. This means, if we want cool shit, and if we want to live like kings, then youve got to live with the consequences, which is, oil spills, smog, and general pollution.
 
Oh yeah, remind me of all those times in human history where there wasnt any storms, wars, murders, pollution.

Oh wait you cant because thats never happened. Its always been like this, only usually its far worse. You think war is bad NOW? Dude, 10's of thousands of men would charge at each other with swords and hack each other to death daily. Plagues would nearly wipe out entire continents. Storms would cause millions to starve to death. Murder and rape was a common occurance and had to be watched out for constantly.

At this point in time, humanity is doing VERY WELL on the death/badbuzz scale.
Why do you need to go out of your way to compare two or more completely different periods in human history? No moment in time is better or worse than any other. Different yes, better/worse absolutely not. Too many factors to take into account to gain an objective perspective. In fact, I'd venture to say that such comparisons do more harm than good simply because they hold the potential to allow someone to rationalize irrational behavior.

Regardless, you took that post and marginalized it by pointing to various points in human history completely out of context. You even disregarded the part of his post that points to the build up of this disaster over time. Nothing exists in a vacuum.

For the sake of argument, I'll entertain this comparison business. You seem to convienently leave out the devestating nature of the current human condition. Why do you think your food is only $10? Industrial agriculture fueled by cheap oil and cash crops (GMOS are taking over the world). You think that the earth can sustain that? HA. And do you think being able to walk to the supermarket is a privlidge when you walk home eating an apple doused in Round Up? And what happens when there are no mountaintops left to supply the dirty coal that powers your precious home? Oh and you know where that computer goes when you want a new one? China where it is dismantled for parts by unprotected children and then dumped in rivers, fields, etc... where it becomes toxic waste which makes it back to US soil not long after your new computer is sitting at your doorstep.

He's not bitching, he CARES. Being grateful is one thing, but sitting idly by while the world turns to shit and then some is pathetic. We can't just get up and leave this life behind simply becase other people don't have it as good as us. We stay and make change because those children would not be starving in Africa if of wasn't for greedy governments and corporations that feed off our addictions.

So I ask, which would you prefer: the swift, firm smack from reality when you don't do your duties to survive as a human being, or a slow, painful death that occurs when you become addicted to the lazy, unsustainable lifestyle of 'kings.' I prefer the term pigs over kings myself.
 
Why do you need to go out of your way to compare two or more completely different periods in human history? No moment in time is better or worse than any other. Different yes, better/worse absolutely not. Too many factors to take into account to gain an objective perspective. In fact, I'd venture to say that such comparisons do more harm than good simply because they hold the potential to allow someone to rationalize irrational behavior.

Regardless, you took that post and marginalized it by pointing to various points in human history completely out of context. You even disregarded the part of his post that points to the build up of this disaster over time. Nothing exists in a vacuum.

For the sake of argument, I'll entertain this comparison business. You seem to convienently leave out the devestating nature of the current human condition. Why do you think your food is only $10? Industrial agriculture fueled by cheap oil and cash crops (GMOS are taking over the world). You think that the earth can sustain that? HA. And do you think being able to walk to the supermarket is a privlidge when you walk home eating an apple doused in Round Up? And what happens when there are no mountaintops left to supply the dirty coal that powers your precious home? Oh and you know where that computer goes when you want a new one? China where it is dismantled for parts by unprotected children and then dumped in rivers, fields, etc... where it becomes toxic waste which makes it back to US soil not long after your new computer is sitting at your doorstep.

He's not bitching, he CARES. Being grateful is one thing, but sitting idly by while the world turns to shit and then some is pathetic. We can't just get up and leave this life behind simply becase other people don't have it as good as us. We stay and make change because those children would not be starving in Africa if of wasn't for greedy governments and corporations that feed off our addictions.

So I ask, which would you prefer: the swift, firm smack from reality when you don't do your duties to survive as a human being, or a slow, painful death that occurs when you become addicted to the lazy, unsustainable lifestyle of 'kings.' I prefer the term pigs over kings myself.

My point was in reference to the other poster, is that bad shit is ALWAYS happening. A bad weekend in chicago and a couple storms doesnt mean jack shit. Typical american only thinking about there own country. 50+ people are probably murdered every day in some cities. Oh but wait, there not in the states so who cares right.

Storms? Humanity has always had to deal with them. Infact, nowadays they arent jack shit because now we've got the technology to be able to survive for long periods of time from a average sized backpack. We also have the UN and govt to come save us when that shit happens too. Didnt have that 100+ years ago, not nearly as good atleast.


My point was not how good we have it in the western world, but how bad it is in the rest of the world. Its just so stupid to start talking about tents and the world ending when in reality.. the world is still ticking on over, it just now has an oil spill. Oh wait, we already have massive oil spills ALL THE TIME they just dont effect the US, so they dont matter, right?


Personally i am VERY concious of my actions and i do everything i possibly can to keep my country beautiful. However, i cant do anything more than that, i cant fly over to the US with a big cork and put it in that fucking hole bp has made. Thats not in my power. Whats in my power is picking up rubbish when i see it, using the right trash cans, using paper instead of plastic, recycling things, using minimal power, from hydro at that. Buying locally grown food. Catching public transport everyday. Planting trees.

You fucking name it, i do it. Im more green than most people you'll ever meet. But saying that, i can only do so much. I am forced to create waste because of the environment im in, because of my job, because of my country. Everyone is. Its the actions you chose to make in those set of limitations that dictates what kind of person you are.



What i was getting at with the 'on the bad buzz scale', is that crime is VERY low and living standards very high(all through out the world) compared to all other times in history.

Human rights, international law. These things never existed till recently.
 
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