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diphenhydramine Hydrochloride BP AFTER ecstasy use

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mark881

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I got some diphenhydramine Hydrochloride BP for post ecstasy use to go to sleep. However someone on this forum said don't use after X.

I was a bit sick the other night, so I took 25mg for a good sleep, and it was very very good. Next night took 25mg but not as effective.

So what is the deal? Why should I not use post E?
 
FBC has talked quite a bit about the dangers, use the advanced search and under "user" put FirstBadComedown and under "keyword" but diphenhydramine and MDMA

You should find what your looking for. Just use melatonin and weed, there is no worry of Serotonin Syndrome then
 
I didn't find anything using those search terms. But if it's bad news I'll avoid. I'll get some melatonin but I think the valium I have is probably a bit stronger and the most common drug for getting to sleep after rollin.
 
Never had any effect on me. Just didn't work that's all. Zopiclone does though.
 
mark881 said:
Thanks Zopiclone sounds ideal for my purposes, I'll investigate further.
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Be warned that it may be addictive after prolonged use (more than a week or two). Only use it if you have to.

I use it regularly but I use a half dose, and I regularly take a break from use - usually starting on a Friday so that I have two days of restless nights that don't affect work, and then my sleeping pattern is back to normal, and natural, by Sunday/Monday.

Diphenhydramine is simply "Nytol" as sold by pharmacists in the UK. It's an old fashioned 'drowsy' anti-histamine. It works to a degree but it's not truly hypnotic and IMO doesn't really help if the mind is very overactive. It helps you stay asleep once you're off though..
 
carl0s said:
Be warned that it may be addictive after prolonged use (more than a week or two). Only use it if you have to.
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I play to use it just to sleep well after rollin. Does it keep you asleep longer also? I've yet to have more than 4 hours sleep after X use..I'd really want 6-8 hours.
 
In high doses, DPH inhibits the reuptake of serotonin.
This is a pretty basic statement that ignores the true complexity of the brain's most dense and intricate neurotransmitter system.

Stories of heavy DPH use on BL quickly reveal that the experience is VERY difficult and not at all euphoric.
In fact several have commented that they will NEVER try it again.
They are normally taking 150 - 250 mg to 'trip'.
But they experience only VERY very dark and horrifying experiences.
And it just won't end, either!

For me, I never tripped on DPH.
But taking 100mg two nights after MDMA did lead to what I believe to be a near-death experience.
Or Serotonin Syndrome - another poorly defined neurological condition.
Suffice it to say it was the WORST night of my life and it happened 17 months ago.
I'm still recovering.

I have NO doubt that DPH greatly enhanced the neurotoxicity of MDMA for me.
There were other factors, such as rolling the previous weekend, redosing both weekends, and being a long-term cannabis user.
These are ALL things linked to bad outcomes in research of MDMA users.

But it was the DPH that really pushed me over the edge.
Like a catapult.

Just four of those little pink pills caused more euphoria, dizziness, and pleasant sensations than I EVER experienced from it before.
So DPH and MDMA definitely interact in a potentially dangerous way.
But perhaps not in very reasonable doses.

A 'responsible' MDMA user that takes a small dose of DPH is unlikely to experience what I did.
But if you like to redose, the greatest risk factor among MDMA users, then DPH is NOT for you.
At any dose...

I would give anything to untake those sleeping pills.

Note - insomnia is the hallmark symptom of MDMA neurotoxicity.
That means people with serious psychological problems post MDMA ALWAYS report severe disruptions in sleeping.
I can still remember the constant ringing in my head for the first week.
And weeks after that the energy and anxiety would not relent.

It took 7 months to experience REM sleep again!
And there were times that it happened while trying to stay awake...

So next time you find it hard to sleep post MDMA - consider this a sign of neurotoxicty.
And be DAMNED glad it ends within a few days.
You cannot imagine how much worse it can get.

Get a benzo and leave the DPH alone.
Trust me.
 
Yes, thank you. This forum is great. I will try benzo/valium only. Just got myself another V pill for my next roll. Back in the early 90s I didn't need such things, but then people tell me it's 'clean' X that gives u know problems sleeping and I'm guessing todays stuff isn't great.
 
First Bad Comedown said:
In fact several have commented that they will NEVER try it again.
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Not even if I NEED to sleep. I always just use melatonin. Its actually chemically related to serotonin, so Im sure taking after a roll can help the recovery process, unlike benzos/opiates/sleeping pills that usually only put off recovery for another day or two
 
Sounds good. I tried melatonin on the plane, it was a so-so sleeping aid. Worked, but I didn't think it'd be strong enough to counter amphet. I will give it a go. Would you mix melatonin and benzo?
 
Would be no problem at all, a benzo to chill you out, and the melatonin to bring you to sleep...


Thing with melatonin is, since its a chemical found in your brain to make you sleep naturally and your brain releases some every night, you have to take it a few times for it to build up in your system.

After that though its great for getting into a sleeping rhythm
 
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