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Cocaine Dimethocaine

Hitman1977

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What’s the deal with Dimethocaine?
Has anyone tried it and how Would you rate it ?
I found a company in England which sells it so was thinking about getting some
 
Years ago a few people suggested it had similer effects to cocaine if snorted. But much less potent and with more side-effects.

That p-amino lowers the LogP and is only required for LOCAL aneshesia. So a few analogues popped up but none were ever popular.
 
Is anything else out there worth trying ?

Oddly, clofenciclan is known to have undergone human trials as part of an compound medication (Verisan) that contained an antipsychotic and clofenciclan, the latter intend to offset the sedative effects of the antipsychotic. But it turned out to be TOO potent as a stimulant and more specifically as a DRI.

I've often mused on why it's never turned up as an RC since as far as I know, no nation explicitly prohibits it's distribution.
 
I would be surprised if someone went to the trouble of producing a homologue when dimethocaine is commercially available.

The trip report sounds exactly like dimethocaine. Did you have instumental data or was it simply packaged with the name you mention?
 
I seem to recall cardiotoxicity being an issue. Swap that aromatic amine for a -Cl or an -NO2 and potency goes up. Of course, solubility goes down and in the cases I mention, the sufate was the most soluble with the phosphate being a close second.

I guess the one positive of the hydrochloride was that the MP was still low enough to vape.

But whatever the details, I would avoid. If it's turning up again, test-strips WILL save lives. Pure dimethocaine may be misrepresented as low quality coke and you know my views on misrepresenting ANY 'mystery white powder'.
 
I believe you were right and cardiotoxicity was 3x that of regular cocaine per mg where the potency is about 1/3.

I kept reading on here that IV was the only way to go -- but realistically I dont even like coke so its a hard pass lol --- FOMO!
 
I have tried both DMC and dpDMC. Insufflated, oral and sublingual ROA. Up to 300 mg per dose. Didn't noticed any effects besides local anesthesia that I'd be sure werent placebo.
 
I am unaware of any local anasthetic that does not impact vascular function. But empirical evidence suggests that cocaine remains the safest.

We simply lack sufficient information to judge if clofenciclan is a safer alternative (or indeed if it is AT ALL SAFE). As far as I can work out, Dr Kurt Stach and his student, (Dipl-Chem) Werner Winter set out to find novel agents that could treat Parkinson's disease and the and the Parkinsonian side-effects of the first generation of antipsychotic medications. Later researchers continued the work that might suggest it had some merit as a potential treatment.

But I lack the technical German to really understand their work. IF it is indeed a selective dopamine releaser, it somewhat marries up with the case of Barry Kidson whose failure to read a patent properly rendered him the first victim of MPTP (MPP+ being the toxic metabolite) which as we all know, produces severe Parkinsonian symptoms within a matter of hours at high doses. Kidson was apparently caught abusing the medication he was initially given to control the symptoms but evidently worked out that injecting cocaine was a viable alternative. Now the episode of 'Horizon' titled 'The Case of the Frozen Addicts' does not reveal what medication Kidson was but at the time levodopa was just about the only option BUT I note abuse of levodopa is now recognized (but thankfully rare).

So while I have NO IDEA what the sought effect of levodopa might be, we do know that it has a narrow theraputic window which inevitably gets narrower and narrower. So I suggest that MAYBE it is euphoric in the short-term, it's something of a one-way street and not something that should ever be consumed outside clinical neccecity.

Likewise, sorry to say but in the late 1950s, new medications were being introduced with shockingly poor prior testing and pharmacovigilance. Thiopropazate was patented in 1956, introduced in 1957 and seemed to disappear rather quickly (Tonquil and Verisan being brand-names of the combination). If you have to add a second medication to offset the side-effects of the first medication, that's generally not a good sign, but even today, levodopa remains the 'gold standard' for advanced-stage Parkinson's disease.

So when I council caution, it's because I have some understanding that sooner or later, it's inevitable that an RC will have some unforeseen chronic toxicity.
 
^Truth -- the last time I was at the dentist idk what kinda caine he hit me with but he accidentally hit a blood vessel (?) I was having a bit of a tough time listening because my heart rate had just about doubled and I had began to sweat. ( I am pretty stimulant sensitive ) -- to the point he noticed and asked "Your heart rate just pick up"

"Yeaaa forsure, you sure you hit me with the right caine product?" - Got a small laugh.

Than I missed my next fckin appointment and now I dont have medicaid or dentist. (Sorry had to bring everyone down, its what I do) lol
 
Oddly, clofenciclan is known to have undergone human trials as part of an compound medication (Verisan) that contained an antipsychotic and clofenciclan, the latter intend to offset the sedative effects of the antipsychotic. But it turned out to be TOO potent as a stimulant and more specifically as a DRI.

I've often mused on why it's never turned up as an RC since as far as I know, no nation explicitly prohibits it's distribution.
Interesting! I would love to try it for the novelty even though I’m not a big stim person
 
^It does jack shit snorted --- hell I even tried mixing it up with 4-fma for a "Coke like" experience --- not even close. Ended up giving many grams of both to umm a garbage disposal we shall say ...

Than reading that IV it gives you a 5 minute bell ringer. Damn it "Hey garbage disposal you still have that by any chance -- yea yea I know its been like 10 years but ?? " lol

I find it tough to believe though really -- the stuff was garbage nasally -- I woulda preferred the same amnt of novacaine tbh lol
 
was it the stuff turning green when freebased ? I remember something about it sometime ago this strange coke going around

0.6 on a gram when freebased, very green in the spoon hit good and right when smoked. As I was told, but back then all the coka out there was shit. Was too young to smoke any.
I just remember that this session ended up with a guy drinking ammonia sitting in a beer and ended up in ER.. he survived though, one die at some free party doing the same shit... Always label the fucking bottle
 
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