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Dilaudid & Morphine combined

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merajjj840

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To start off, I am fully aware of the potency of both of these drugs, please do not lecture about it.%) I have a horrific case of tendinitis and carpal tunnel and typing this is a true bitch. friend of mine receives 60 10mg hydroco's (shitty, i know..) per month but lately that aint doin the trick. 30mg of morphine blown maybe once a day, maybe twice. (at one point this person was doing 200mg morphine orally per day. or 90mg oxycodone blown. or 20mg oxymorphone blown. dabbled in fent&h so he knows the game and addiction/tolerance blahlblah) Acquired some dilly 4s. Had em before, but not in a long long time. Did 30mg morph & 4mg at the same time. Not that great. the questions is WHY??

People on here ranted off about morphine blocking opi receptors so other opi's are basically wasted. Is this true? Im confused. Occasionally these drugs are ingested p-1hr after some good ol GFJ. No tagamet, off the benzos. Not looking to potentiate, just trying to use these as effectively as possible so typing is possible (college student)

Also, if pssible, not looking to up doses. Still need the 10hydroco's to work, to an extent. So saying "do 8mg of hydromorphone" isnt what im looking for.

thank you in advance
(happy Zombie Weekend everyone)


the dilly4 & morph30 are blown and chopped with a hose clamp. uses saline solution too..
 
Is that more for a high or overall BA? Shoulda specified, not lookin to nod (not really anyway) more for pain relief. So not lookin for a rush, just a better BA. Never plugged, thats why Im askin.
 
merajjj840 said:
Is that more for a high or overall BA? Shoulda specified, not lookin to nod (not really anyway) more for pain relief. So not lookin for a rush, just a better BA. Never plugged, thats why Im askin.
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I know morphine works AT LEAST twice as well plugged.

dilaudid im not sure but I would assume plugged is better.

wait for "tricomb" to come in here. he has alot more experience than me when it some to pain management and plugging dillies and morph.

I can assure you plugging will last longer so it would be better for pain management
 
dilaudid im not sure but I would assume plugged is better.
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By online-available bioavability reports/studies, it's not. So it'd rather be: rail hydromorphone, plug morphine.
 
Morphine is much better plugged, I have only ever found oral morphine to be effective recreationally or medically in my experience in the form of pod tea other than that plugging morphine is definetly the way to go. Or if you have acess to chitosan (some form of supplement) you could try mixing the two toghether. By doing so apparently you can increase the nasal BA to about 60% sometimes ( do some extra research into the specifics). But definetly plug the morphine rather than snorting it straight.
 
The Dope Man said:
plug the dillies and morph together instead of ralin em.. youll be much better off
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Dope man is correct. Load the two opiates into one syringe and plug the solution. For chronic pain, every morning when I wake up I plug morphine and dilaudid together. I don't want to describe my dosing as I am highly tolerant and have titrated my dose to where I need to be.

When you snort dilaudid, you get around 50% bioavailability, if you're very lucky under absolutely ideal conditions. If I were you I would snort half your hydromorphone dose, and plug the other half. The "average" rectal BA is 33% ranging up to 65% depending on the individual. Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2453226

As far as the morphine, definitely plug it. Morphine is an outstanding pain killer through all ROAs, however I am in the same boat as you and understand the need to make your pills last longer.

Whether you decide to plug the morphine with hydromorphone or not, when you snort morphine, you only get around 10% compared to IVing the same dose. Oral morphine is highly variable, and plugging it can guarantee you at least twice the oral/nasal bioavailability.

I plug the two together in one syringe so I only need to plug once in the morning. I plug the full hydromorphone dose with the morphine because I am sure in my body the dilaudid is being absorbed the same or better than snorted.

Your mileage may vary.

If you plug the morphine, and it's in the form of MS ER (which I'm sure it is, you mentioned a 200mg pill I believe, and instant release comes only in 15mg and 30mg). I suggest you read this guide on how to prep time release morphine for instant release rectal use.
 
For some people yes, but that source you posted is using the same study that I originally included. It should mention that the rectal BA is variable, and they saw 65% bioavailability taken rectally. I am pretty damn sure that I am getting more than ~40% rectally, definitely closer to 65%.

I know this because I've IV'd it (100% BA) and know exactly what hydromorphone should feel like at different dosages. I've snorted it a lot as well, but the snorted BA is also highly variable and is not always as high as 50%, like I said you need ideal conditions for any ROA.
 
Frankly Tricomb, I trust you with what you say about hydromorphine and oxymorphone than I do most others ;) God way more experience with that shit than I do. Shit, I feel like I say this every other post, but alas, I'ma do it again:

different strokes for different strokes (too, as you began with). but yea, BAs can be HIGHLY variable. even though I like to give you a harm time about it all the time, rectal is generally a safe bet in terms of one of the higher BAs (obviously not including IV) - not always, but almost
 
30mg of morphine sulfate and 4mg of hydromorphone intranasally is not going to be as potent as 90mg of IN oxycodone or 20mg of IN oxymorphone. Morphine, especially if an ER preparation has very poor bioavailability. Hydromorphone's BA is slightly better but I think is still under 50% intranasally, and even lower orally.
 
thank you everyone for their responses. I have never plugged anything but i suppose im willing to give it a try. Definitely think I'll give it a go at least once
I should of clarified on the types of pills tricomb as the ones morph is a 30mg and I believe it is an instant release. The 200mg i was referring to was really 3.5 60mg's combined..

To the poster above, yes I know that the doses I previously mentioned arent even remotely close to 200mg. That was a dose I once took, looking back that was about 2 1/2 years ago. Got my tolerance waaaay down from those crazed days.
 
Both are pretty lack-luster unless you IV them IMO (not promoting IV in anyway), but I would go wtih plugging the morphine and insufflating the hydromorphone for best results.
 
IV is just outta the option. only received it in the hospital (valium/ativan/versed) (morphine and diluadid) and i see why people become slaves to the needle.

i attempted the plug, it kinda worked. started off pretty low, as you can always do more but never less.
very heavy, sedated, curious as to duration since i just gave it a shot. (literally)

my question is aside from hypodermic needles (idt you can even obtain them where i live, if you do, i have no idea how to go about the process. very few pharmacies in the area, most are mom&pop shops) what is the best oral needle to use?

bought some crappy Red Cross baby medicine thing that after one use i decided to dispose of. practically fell apart the whole time i tried to use it. what brand works for people? or should i just break down and by a real needle..? any suggestions appreciated
 
pretty sure you can buy em off the web, I've bought a few. They fall apart sometimes but are usually pretty realiable. Oral syringes that is, not hypodermic needles.
 
morphine especially goes through extensive first-pass metabolism where the liver metabolizes the fuck out of it which is why oral morphine is sort of shitty for recreational use. opiates, especially morphine, provide potent analgesia in lower doses than those needed to get off
 
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