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Differentiating MDEA from Methylone or Ethylone?

ShaunG

ShaunG

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So my friend has been getting this white crystal like powder with chunks I it here and there. I was told it was MDMA. After using at several dose ranges I am 100% certain it is not Molly. I thought perhaps it could be Eve or MDE. It feels like a roll with less energy and no desire to dance but when u sit back and let the drug hit you it feels very euphoric as all hell and much like mdma with less speediness and socialability. The body load is heavy as hell like a high Xanax dose. The warmth is comparable to heroin mixed with adderall but at the same time you can close your eyes and almost feel sedated (nod like). The duration is low at about 3 hours or so. You do get the eye rolls and wiggles at higher doses. Too high and jaw clenching sucks pretty bad. Def not a club drug but awesome for chilling with a girl. It's not as lovey Dovey as MDMA but the sense of touch is definitely heightened and feels great (massage and sex). Not as heady as MDMA and def not as much as MDA. I could be fine by myself eyes closed in the couch for 2 hours. To me this definitely seemed like MDE. I have rolled a lot and consider myself experienced. Thr
Majorty was about 12-13 years ago on and off but do not think I have tried the newer bk RCs. I see their descriptions are similar. What differentiates those from MDE? Eye flutters? Speediness? Duration?
 
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I HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt you have MDE if you don't know you have MDE... it's an extremely rare chemical these days, and almost none is available worldwide.


You want a way to test drugs though.. get a Reagent kit. It's basically a color changing liquid that will tell you exactly what's in you pills or powders. It can test more than MDMA too, 2C-B, speed and almost any other drug can be tested with the Marquis.


You can get a kit for $25 at dancesafe.org, a bottle is like 100 tests. You really NEED one to use ecstasy these days..
 
I'm aware of the tests, but they will only confirm MDxx, correct? i guess that would rule out Methlyone, but wouldn't confirm MDEA. If it confirms MDxx i can almost guarantee its not MDMA and definitely not MDA. What else could it be other than MDE? What can I do that once the reagent test confirms MDxx to confirm it actually is MDEA? Boiling point? Is there a test that will confirm this?

Also, why is MDEA so rare these days? From what I understand its just as easy to make as MDMA only requiring a different chemical.
 
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ShaunG said:
requiring a different chemical.
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That's why it's so rare. I can (almost) guarantee you don't have MDE... what else could it be? Methylone, Ethylone, 5-MeO-DiPT, BZP, TFMPP, 6-APB, MDAI, or just straight MDMA could give you those effects.

Even in places where MDMA flows like a river and MDA and extracted mescaline aren't hard finds either, MDE is non-existent.



and you can test MDMA from MDA and MDE with a test kit, the Simons Reagent does that. It can't tell MDMA from MDE, but seriously, the chances of you having it are slim to nothing at all.


Or you could always just send it into ecstasydata.org and find out exactly what it is
 
I think I'll get a marquis kit. While I understand MDE is rare and it could be possible it is a newer RC, my gut says im right. If the kit turns for MDxx I don't need anything to differentiate MDA. I am certain it's not that as they feel very different to me. That would leave MDE and MDMA right? MDMA is possible I guess...just never took MDMA that feels awesome as described but with such a short plateau and really didnt want to dance or couldn't really. I kibda wanted to but felt like a body heavy noodle the entire time. I usually can't stop myself from dancing unless peaking out hard as fuck. This had me thinkin it could be MDE. I have taken what i was told and tested MDE tears ago and remeber the feeling of not wanting to dance but rolling. Ill post back later if I get a kit. I guess it really doesn't matter because it feels like a very clean and very euphoric roll. I am satisfied with it, just not for shows. I am curious though due to the rarity of MDE.

One more thing to add is I can pass out very quickly within an hour of coming down. It's weird bc I can't sleep without Xanax or alcohol every other night. I guess crushing that serotonin makes u sleepy. The last real MDMA I had did this to me also though but that shit made me stomp for 3 days straight hahah.
 
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Well, if you don't have a test kit you can't know if you were just used to taking Methylone or Mephedrone or something and just thought that was MDMA, then you got actual MDMA and you think it's something else because you're not used to it..


http://www.ecstasydata.org/results.php?start=0&search_field=all&s=MDE

These are the sample that have been tested with MDE recently... you'll see that besides the Cross pills, one small press from the UK that wasn't widely circulated, are the only pills since 2006 to be tested to have MDE.


It's seriously RARE AS FUCK. I consider myself an MDxx connoisseur and I have to deal with the fact I'll probably never get to try it again.. and the only time I DID get to try it was when there were just trace amounts in an MDMA pill


If you would send it into Ecstasydata, I would bet you $10 that you don't have MDE ;)
 
From what I can remember, there were none (or very few in the US) of these junk RCs such as mDPV, meph, pipes, or any of that crap in pressies back in the 90s...maybe mda, mde, mdma, caffeine, very rare 2Cs back then, amphetamine, ephedrine, methamphetamine, ketamine, etc but damn I just looked at that data and there is sooooo much junk in pressies and caps these days. I wish i could see the dancesafe pill reports from like 98-01. My friend is pretty solid and I know MDxx but It is true I do not know the new RCs so unless they are VERY close feeling...I likely have MDxx. I guess ill confirm with a marquis. MDE? I dunno. If the Marquis turns dark purple or black...I might bet you $125 so u can cover the cost of the ecstacydata test. :)
 
when I had what I was told was MDEA it was a slow moving euphoric high that reminded me of being in that relm between sleep and awake. I didn't want to move or dance even though I could...but the desire was gone. there was a whole "indifferent" attitude provided. I just didn't care about anything. just laid in a lump on the couch until I came down. there was no reall peak or jump up or down. a smooth ride all the way and a rather enjoyable experience...just not what I was looking for.

MDEA is rare and it was rare back in the day when I was rolling. it is harder to get the precursors without putting up red flags for the feds and it does not demand the premium that MDMA does so chemists stay shy away from it.
 
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So my friend has been getting this white crystal like powder with chunks I it here and there. I was told it was MDMA. After using at several dose ranges I am 100% certain it is not Molly. I thought perhaps it could be Eve or MDE. It feels like a roll with less energy and no desire to dance but when u sit back and let the drug hit you it feels very euphoric as all hell and much like mdma with less speediness and socialability. The body load is heavy as hell like a high Xanax dose. The warmth is comparable to heroin mixed with adderall but at the same time you can close your eyes and almost feel sedated (nod like). The duration is low at about 3 hours or so. You do get the eye rolls and wiggles at higher doses. Too high and jaw clenching sucks pretty bad. Def not a club drug but awesome for chilling with a girl. It's not as lovey Dovey as MDMA but the sense of touch is definitely heightened and feels great (massage and sex). Not as heady as MDMA and def not as much as MDA. I could be fine by myself eyes closed in the couch for 2 hours. To me this definitely seemed like MDE. I have rolled a lot and consider myself experienced. Thr
Majorty was about 12-13 years ago on and off but do not think I have tried the newer bk RCs. I see their descriptions are similar. What differentiates those from MDE? Eye flutters? Speediness? Duration?
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Sounds like you took 4-MMC, but who knows. There's so many different research chemicals you could have taken, the possibilities are endless. Without a test kit, you can only speculate. I will say this, you didn't take MDE. No one is going take the time and risk to make MDE when they could make MDMA.
 
Well it sounds like it was likely
not MDE according to you all which sucks bc I doubt it is MDMA due to duration and lack of motivation and socialability. I also doubt it was Meph. Although I have purposely never tried it, I have seen it and seen people on it. Meph definitely didn't sedate or calm the people I saw on it and they fiend for that crap. This was a very ecstasy like feeling without the need to dance or talk like the person above described their MDE experience. The euphoria was definitely all there at 100mg and even better at 150-200mg with a 50-100mg booster 1.5 hrs in. Def a noticeable heavier body load than MDMA also. I can see it being used for meditation for sure as laying on te couch with music on released all anxieties. I usually am not one to enjoy this style of roll but man it was relaxing. Like God giving me a nice warm hug. Maybe my opiate abuse has lead me to like this style roll now:) One other odd thing I noticed was a very long onset sometimes (1.5 hrs). I really did not eat a lot the last time it was done and onset was 1.5-1.75 hrs which i thought was odd for MDxx. Whatever it is I decided I want to know....ordered a kit.
 
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Well, the results are in. It went straight to dark purple/black immediately with some nice fizzing and bubling using the Marquis test. I'm trying to post a pic but dont see how through my phone. It's definitely MDxx. It's not trippy at all which eliminates MDA. It does not seem speedy enough or have the duration to be MDMA. There literally is no desire to dance at a rave. You feel doped up, body heavy, and wobbly whe u walk. Although its hard to keep attention on anything, your head is pretty damn clear. Duration is short lasting about 3 hours without boosting and the peak lasting about an hour. The warmth and euphoria from the peak feels indescribable. I remember saying to a friend that I don't see how shooting heroin could be better. I've used many opiates but never banged them. This drug has the best euphoria and anti anxiety I have felt from any drug I believe. My vote is still for MDE even with the rarity of the substance. unfortunately my friend will not be getting any more which is a bummer but it was awesome while it lasted. I would really like to know for sure but I'm not dropping 150 to send it to ecstasydata.org. I'll post a pic if I can find where to so it.
 
That sounds like MDMA to me, to be honest.

MDE is a bit trippy, not as much as MDA but more so than MDMA...
A lot of people complain that their (100% pure, lab tested) MDMA is only lasting them 2-3 hours
I don't really get much of an urge to dance on MDxx, even MDMA. I mean, I can force myself and it feels great.. but everything feels great when you're rolling lol. I much prefer to be melting into the floor than running around like a maniac.. if I wanted that, I'd do some speed instead
A lot of people say MDE is inferior to MDMA, it's much lighter in serotonin release than MDMA and you don't really get as high as you would with MDMA. It's a much "lighter" roll overall, so if you really felt that good on the peak I'd again bet you money that it's MDMA ;)
 
Oh, I thought MDE was the least heady. It very well could be MDMA, but although rare, it could be MDE also. It just doesn't feel like MDMA like I knew it back in the day or even Jan or last year. I just remember MDMA making me want to dance much more. I fee awkward trying to dance on this even tho I want to. I did some last January and it seemed much more speedy and I wanted to stomp around. This was tested crystals as well so I am pretty certain it was not cut with anything. Who knows....I guess I will just chalk it up to one hell of a euphoric roll that does not last very long. :D
 
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Yeah, unless your willing to sacrifice the dough there's really no possible way to know. Maybe hold on to 10mg of it, if you ever run across a Robadope reagent you can finally know for sure.


It would react to MDE, and have no reaction for MDMA



Good luck trying to find one though lol
 
I got the same stuff in 2011 bro, in UT. Me and many of my friends tried it, and all thought the same thing, that it wasnt MDMA we were consuming (especially after getting very experienced with MDMA and MDA) we never came across anything like it again. I wasn't a very frequent roller when I was getting it on a regular basis either. It was actually the first stuff my friend Blah and I had ever consumed together (we have been friends for years but hadn't ever rolled together), and everyone at that roll party enjoyed it. but, knew it just didn't hit on all the levels that MDMA does. We were all laid out on the couch or on the patio furniture smoking mad cigs, eye wiggles, slightly clouded thought process, apparent appreciation of music, and were talking about how godly the body high was! No empathy really, just totally relaxed body loaded roll! We actually called it the "body load Molly". We got the same kind of test results doing a full range of reagents (other than robadope). So, just because its rare doesn't mean it hasn't graced some of our presences to all the nay-sayers on this being MDEA! After blah and his friends first encounter with this stuff, they read up on MDxx substances and came to the conclusion of MDEA as well.

Yes, I do realize that this is an old thread BUT, had to validate ShaunG's experience, having aquired similar substances! Obviously its rare but, there isn't a Huge amount of people making these claims now are there...? I know what I experienced, sounds similar to his so I completely back his claims! Some people are just lucky, or are well connected!
 
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