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different types of mdma

oi812many

oi812many

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I have heard on forums across the internets that there are a couple of different types of mdma, the isomers are different offering a different type of experience. Is there any truth to this and could someone go into a little bit of detail explaining to me, if there is any truth to this, the differences between the different types of pure mdma crystals? Thanks so much and pardon me if my newbieness is frustrating to you folks who are more advanced to me.

I have been rollin since around 1998 or so, not so much in the past 5 because there is virtually none to found on the streets in my home town, but Im still very interested in the subject and one day she'll find her way back to me. Thanks for the knowledge and any info you have to offer,,oi812many
 
I remember reading somewhere that inexperienced local cooks make mint style (big, crumbly, and usually without a logo) ecstasy pills that contain MDMA fumerate (I think) instead of the MDMA HCl that is normally consumed. This meant that people only were at the peak for half the time as normal MDMA HCl.
 
Great thread/question! I would sure love to hear someone chime in who is knowledgeable in this subject.
 
The isomers you're talking about refer to the two mirror images of MDMA, the stereoisomers. All MDMA made by all synthetic routes used by for-profit chemists will be racemic (containing a 50/50 mixture of each stereoisomer). The different appearances of MDMA (crumbly, brown, white, chunky, etc) all result from the thoroughness of purification of the crude MDMA.HCl product. How much it was washed, whether it was re-crystallized, and the amount of water present at the time of the crystallization all have some influence here.
 
cyberius said:
I remember reading somewhere that inexperienced local cooks make mint style (big, crumbly, and usually without a logo) ecstasy pills that contain MDMA fumerate (I think) instead of the MDMA HCl that is normally consumed. This meant that people only were at the peak for half the time as normal MDMA HCl.
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I highly, HIGHLY doubt anyone is making anything other than racemic MDMA.HCl. Nearly every other form of the drug is inferior
 
cyberius said:
I remember reading somewhere that inexperienced local cooks make mint style (big, crumbly, and usually without a logo) ecstasy pills that contain MDMA fumerate (I think) instead of the MDMA HCl that is normally consumed. This meant that people only were at the peak for half the time as normal MDMA HCl.
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Sounds about right. I remember having some nicely pressed pills, they felt EXACTLY like MDMA except the high was almost cut in half. You would literally feel the high drop off suddenly at the rave and know it is time to pop the other. Looked the pills up on pill reports and people reported the same thing, nice clean feeling but very short over all high.
 
^ Why would anyone make MDMA fumrate though? Hydrochloric acid is easy to find and MDMA.HCl is one of the most stable forms of the drug out there. MDMA fumarate can absorb moisture from the air and I don't believe the high is as good as the HCl form anyways.



I'm pretty sure you remember hearing that from Futura, and he was speculating in that entire thread. Not exactly the most reliable info..
 
Folley said:
I highly, HIGHLY doubt anyone is making anything other than racemic MDMA.HCl. Nearly every other form of the drug is inferior
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from what I have read, some of the other salts are much stronger and can last longer than HCL but are harder to source precursors and are not nearly as stable and need special care for them to not degrade into nonactives.

basicaly they are harder to make and harder to work with so the HCL is more economical in the long run.
 
Doesn't OP simply mean the differences between MDMA, MDA and MDE?
If not, please ignore me ;)
 
I can't imagine how the salt of a drug would affect it's duration significantly?

Stereoisomers will hit receptors slightly differently due to their 3D structures so there will be slightly different effects from each isomer but as said already the MD you're likely to get will be racemic - both stereoisomers and so will have the same effects as every other racemic batch.

You're really going to have to simplify "different types" OP, could mean all sorts of things from the appearance (pill, crystal, cap etc) right down to exact chemicalar shape and composition.
Interesting, chemicalar doesnt show up as an incorrect spelling.
 
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Salts can have some small degree of effect on the rate of onset of a drug. Basically giving it a more rapid run to the peak or a slower, more gradual come-up. This is the reason Adderall is formulated as a mixture of salts. They have different rates of conversion and absorption in the digestive tract. This is not something that would significantly effect duration or the overall experience, though.
 
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