auto238367
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I fucking hate people that are not cool drunks. When your raging and fighting and screaming for no good reason and fucking the party up, fuck off.
different drugs scenes disliking others
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I don't like the weed crowd that acts as if weed is the greatest drug on the face of the Earth which can cure any illness, improve every function of your body, and have NO negative health effects. And if you don't like the effects of weed then clearly "you don't smoke enough."
I don't like the ravers who think opiates are a waste of time.
I don't like the psychedelic drug users who make claims of the "mind expansion, far out spiritual experiences, etc."
I don't like the ravers who think opiates are a waste of time.
I don't like the psychedelic drug users who make claims of the "mind expansion, far out spiritual experiences, etc."
Ham420
Bluelighter
I drink too much alchol and smoke too much pot. I love my MDMA and moonlight with ketamine every now and again.
I wouldnt want to go down the road of opiates and for that fact meth because I know I have a really addictive personality and already burn myself out with my favorite drugs.
However I have no problems with people who take these drugs and chill with people like that from time to time. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned that he doesnt have a problem with the drug they take but is dubious as to the persons behaviour on that type of drug. For instance I have a freind who used to religiously smoke pot and was adament he would not take any drug harder (im sure we have all thought that at one point) but now hes a full on cokehead hes still my mate and I still hang out with him but he has become prone to flipping out and beefing for no reason, (however he always calms down and appologises) and its kind of pissing me off.
So no I dont have a problem with what drugs someone does but sometimes different scenes dont mix. If im high I dont wanna be chilling with someone thats tweaking his balls off because i just wanna chill. The variations between drugs and how they affect you determine the type of vibes you wanna be around and thus certain drug scenes can clash somewhat.
Swift Serenity
Bluelighter
As long as you stay cool and don't sour the mood I couldn't care less what drugs you're on. That said, most of the stimulant users I know do this more than other drug users. I try to avoid tweakers and cocaine users because their paranoia (insecurity) and rage often make them hard to get along with.
A lot of psychedelic users frustrate me with exaggerated claims of tripping's benefits, but I know that those drugs have helped me a lot to understand myself and how to interact with the world in a positive way.
It's all about the individual and how they allow the drugs to affect their likability.
A lot of psychedelic users frustrate me with exaggerated claims of tripping's benefits, but I know that those drugs have helped me a lot to understand myself and how to interact with the world in a positive way.
It's all about the individual and how they allow the drugs to affect their likability.
i have no problem with people as long as they're not assholes, what sadly most people turn into if they're on coke. i've tried anything from dmt to pills to ketamine to weed to oxy to meth, so who am i to judge?
i still feel most comfortable around people who use psychedelics/entactogens though.
i still feel most comfortable around people who use psychedelics/entactogens though.
gorgoroth
Bluelighter
You sir, are fucking scum.8)
Seriously though I've dealt with all kinds of users. Tweakers and really big coke heads, read stimulant users, seem to be less in control of their paranoia and thoughts then the dope addicts and stoners.
So you're going to call somebody 'fucking scum' because of a different DOC then yours? get real.
Some sort of false superiority-complex issues?
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mr.dopeman
Bluelighter
i dont like o generalize like this, but i kidan dnt like upper fiends, i dnt mind uppers jsut dnt like people who are totally nuts about them. i guess it stems from the fact i lvoe downers and cant understand the deal with people loving uppers. the only group i truly dislike is EX-ADDICTS. specificalyl ex alcoholics. idk but they seem to be sooooo slef-riteous nd quite arrogant. i dnt like alcoholics in general because they belittle thier problems and make any other drug issue seem like u are jsut a fuck up failure and deserve it.
Frank Lucas
Bluelighter
QFT.
I've been around very kind and decent heroin addicts, crackheads, potheads, alcoholics, e-tards, and psychonauts. I've also been around absolutely grimey heroin addicts, crackheads, potheads, alcoholics, e-tards, and psychonauts. Some are only nice when they have their DOC, some are only nice when they're trying to get their DOC, a few are almost always nice people, and many are never nice.
woodandink
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i am sometimes guilty of this. when high on opiates, i don't wanna be around potheads who are giggling every five seconds. need my peace and quit to nod and enjoy the music, you know?
Roger&Me
Bluelighter
I dislike any drug scene that involves violence and stupidity. Grow the fuck up and be positively-contributing members of society for a change.
And pull your pants up!
And pull your pants up!
Dude Man
Bluelighter
I personally like and pertake in the use of every drug. From many years of experince with use and often excess of MANY substances i have come to believe that just as every person has the potentail for good and bad so does every drug (or drug category). The substance, the situation, the persons predisposition, and the persons conditioning are all factors in their behavior and weigh heavily on the end result but in the end free will is what determines how someone acts/reacts.
Hypocritical judgement seems to be often realized to the most extreme example in groups where one or two drugs are exclusive as the primary drugs of choice especailly when others are looked down upon for their drug of choice. I have freinds in just about every catagory who like to talk shit about other groups and therefore miss out on possible freindships with good people who have just made a different choice as to what their primary drug use entails. I have had periods of time where i my self would sway deep into one group from being just a pothead/ drinker to being a coke head, to getting heavy into pharmies, to getting heavy into LSD and MDMA,to incorporating meth, to being primarily a dope feind, to getting way back into physcedleics and embracing all drugs. During each period of my life I was involved heavily with each of these groups of people as my main group and most of them were very judgemental of peole who partied in different ways. Of course i observe the generalities of each group and many of the things each group said about the others was true as many of the things said were false.
The one group that I am guilty of heavily judging is the majority of x-drug users who preach their bullshit. If I want to quit drugs Il fucking quit drugs. Been forced to go to 12-step program rehab twice by the court system and realized what a croc that was. I have been to jail once, prison once and going back to prison. All of this because of POSSESSION of drugs and NOTHING ELSE. People that speak against drugs are part of the problem by keeping them illegal for adults who have jobs, use their own money, are otherwise law abiding citizing, use drugs reasonable, dont give drugs to minors, and dont harm others while on drugs. People that think just alcohol is ok are part of that problem too but I would have to go WAY WAY off subjusect to get into the many reasons for legalization.
Currently my favorite drugs are psychedelics and I enjoy many aspects of the rave scene very much ( lighting, music, drugs, most of the crowd) but i do argree to some extent that the fruity in your face PLURness can be very annoying and so can the judgement about what many in the scene consider hard drugs. I have rolled, done K with, done G with, done salvia with tripped on lots of different shit with, and even smoked weed, took pharmies and drank with many ravers who judge people cause they use other drugs. I on the other hand see nothing wrong with invloving meth, coke, heroin or PCP alongside normal rave drug use.
I enjoy philosophical dicussion and search for meaning in the big picture through psycedelics and other methods alot but I also believe that without indulging in the pleasures that this existance has to offer including those that are forbiden by mainstream society we would be missing out. But anything taken to a level you cant handle can be negative to your life and the lives you affect. And so can living beyond your means in anyway wether splurging on expensive cars you cant afford or shooting up $500 worth of heroin (OR WHATEVER DRUG YOU CHOOSE TO INDULGE IN) everY day when you can only realistically afford $20.
Everyone has the right to make WHATEVER judgements they want about WHOEVER they WHENEVER they want HOWEVER they want. Even if they try their best not to everyone makes judgements. My judgement in the area of drugs and what people have to say about my use is this "If you look down on me for what I do to my own body, what ever it may be, for whatever reason you are just wasting your own time and energy."
Unless you have something to say that you honestly believe may be TRUELY helpfull to someone worry about your own life.
Hypocritical judgement seems to be often realized to the most extreme example in groups where one or two drugs are exclusive as the primary drugs of choice especailly when others are looked down upon for their drug of choice. I have freinds in just about every catagory who like to talk shit about other groups and therefore miss out on possible freindships with good people who have just made a different choice as to what their primary drug use entails. I have had periods of time where i my self would sway deep into one group from being just a pothead/ drinker to being a coke head, to getting heavy into pharmies, to getting heavy into LSD and MDMA,to incorporating meth, to being primarily a dope feind, to getting way back into physcedleics and embracing all drugs. During each period of my life I was involved heavily with each of these groups of people as my main group and most of them were very judgemental of peole who partied in different ways. Of course i observe the generalities of each group and many of the things each group said about the others was true as many of the things said were false.
The one group that I am guilty of heavily judging is the majority of x-drug users who preach their bullshit. If I want to quit drugs Il fucking quit drugs. Been forced to go to 12-step program rehab twice by the court system and realized what a croc that was. I have been to jail once, prison once and going back to prison. All of this because of POSSESSION of drugs and NOTHING ELSE. People that speak against drugs are part of the problem by keeping them illegal for adults who have jobs, use their own money, are otherwise law abiding citizing, use drugs reasonable, dont give drugs to minors, and dont harm others while on drugs. People that think just alcohol is ok are part of that problem too but I would have to go WAY WAY off subjusect to get into the many reasons for legalization.
Currently my favorite drugs are psychedelics and I enjoy many aspects of the rave scene very much ( lighting, music, drugs, most of the crowd) but i do argree to some extent that the fruity in your face PLURness can be very annoying and so can the judgement about what many in the scene consider hard drugs. I have rolled, done K with, done G with, done salvia with tripped on lots of different shit with, and even smoked weed, took pharmies and drank with many ravers who judge people cause they use other drugs. I on the other hand see nothing wrong with invloving meth, coke, heroin or PCP alongside normal rave drug use.
I enjoy philosophical dicussion and search for meaning in the big picture through psycedelics and other methods alot but I also believe that without indulging in the pleasures that this existance has to offer including those that are forbiden by mainstream society we would be missing out. But anything taken to a level you cant handle can be negative to your life and the lives you affect. And so can living beyond your means in anyway wether splurging on expensive cars you cant afford or shooting up $500 worth of heroin (OR WHATEVER DRUG YOU CHOOSE TO INDULGE IN) everY day when you can only realistically afford $20.
Everyone has the right to make WHATEVER judgements they want about WHOEVER they WHENEVER they want HOWEVER they want. Even if they try their best not to everyone makes judgements. My judgement in the area of drugs and what people have to say about my use is this "If you look down on me for what I do to my own body, what ever it may be, for whatever reason you are just wasting your own time and energy."
Unless you have something to say that you honestly believe may be TRUELY helpfull to someone worry about your own life.
XTCpassion719
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Well personally I have friends in all groups, but I categorize myself in the rave group more than any other. Each drug gives people different vibes and depending on what I'm on that night I find that I don’t enjoy certain vibes near me. Like if I’m rollin I don’t like being anywhere near someone drunk, if I’m stoned I don’t want to be near people tweaking out. I think certain drugs clash when in close proximity of each other (unless your combo-ing shit). But other than that, we shouldn’t bash anyone for doing anything….It’s kind of hypocritical don’t you think.
AdOgG0911
Bluelighter
yes this happens, especially to people who use meth, crack, or H because those drugs have been demonized by the media the most. i think its funny that even among drug users who find out that E didn't eat a hole in their brain and they didn't get addicted the first time they railed coke still can't get past the stigmas for those drugs even though they found out with experience that the media and the DARE types were less than honest about their drug of choice.
Dude Man
Bluelighter
I totally agree that there are times when Im on certain drugs when having people around who are really far on other certain drugs is a negative experince. Like if Im trying to nod out on some dope and someone is on a crack binge. Same of the opposite like when I am tweeked or geeked and others are baked or smacked out tot he level where they dont even want to talk. The worst for me is when I am on 2 or 3 different hallocinogens and someone who is ignorantly blasted on alcohol and/or stimulants and/or dissociatives is acting like an ass making the trip very volitile (yeah I like to do uppers, downers and other drugs with psycedelics in the right envoriment at times but there are times when you need to ride with the trip and maybe just some weed). Everything has its place and its time as well as socail interaction between people on different substances.
I am just saying there is no reason to lump all users of a certain drug into a generic stamp and say wether that is negative or positive. For example with heroin I know rich lawyer types who do dope and poor acquantinces I have on the West side of chicago who also do dope. They both consume the same substance as their primary release but they interact socailly in VERY different ways. Not saying one is really any better then the other. But to make it even farther complicated there are variation amoung each of these groups like the rich judgemental assholes versus the open minded rich people that just party or the porverty stricken person who rations their drug funds vs those that murder and steal to get the money for their shit. Now I would chose not to associate with some of those groups because of their actions ( stealing/being judgemental fucks) but the drugs wouldnt be a reason to make that call as to wether or not we could be freinds.
Could keep going with shit but I ramble on way to fucking much....
I am just saying there is no reason to lump all users of a certain drug into a generic stamp and say wether that is negative or positive. For example with heroin I know rich lawyer types who do dope and poor acquantinces I have on the West side of chicago who also do dope. They both consume the same substance as their primary release but they interact socailly in VERY different ways. Not saying one is really any better then the other. But to make it even farther complicated there are variation amoung each of these groups like the rich judgemental assholes versus the open minded rich people that just party or the porverty stricken person who rations their drug funds vs those that murder and steal to get the money for their shit. Now I would chose not to associate with some of those groups because of their actions ( stealing/being judgemental fucks) but the drugs wouldnt be a reason to make that call as to wether or not we could be freinds.
Could keep going with shit but I ramble on way to fucking much....
LivingOnValium
Bluelighter
Some Junkies (heroin users) can't stand tweakers and vice versa. But theres also sum peeps using both in the middle (and possibly might be disliked by both groups).
dankstersauce
Bluelighter
Its hard to explain but basically heroin/opiate addicts are just sooooo much cooler than crackheads or methheads.
but seriously i think different personalities are attracted to different drugs and that's why the groups don't get along. Kind of like the "uppers for up people and downers for down people" thread.
personally i can't stand uppers, i don't like feeling all speedy, geeked out, and paranoid. and tweakers kind of get on my nerves with their shady sex freaked-outness. I don't understand how crack could be someones DOC the high is so fleeting. i just love nodding and itching and the carefree warmth that opiates provide.
So yeah, in short different personalities like different drugs. I have friends that are coke fiends and tweakers but they're not as close of friends as my fellow dope fiends. It's kind of stupid like the skateboarding/roller blading fued.....or the skiing/snowboarder fued. it's stupid and lame and most people grow out of it (i know i've grown past the stupid differences as a snowboarder/skateboarder/dope fiend who gets along with plenty of people who have different hobbies/DOCs. I'm friends with all sorts of people, but I just relate to some people better than others.
but seriously i think different personalities are attracted to different drugs and that's why the groups don't get along. Kind of like the "uppers for up people and downers for down people" thread.
personally i can't stand uppers, i don't like feeling all speedy, geeked out, and paranoid. and tweakers kind of get on my nerves with their shady sex freaked-outness. I don't understand how crack could be someones DOC the high is so fleeting. i just love nodding and itching and the carefree warmth that opiates provide.
So yeah, in short different personalities like different drugs. I have friends that are coke fiends and tweakers but they're not as close of friends as my fellow dope fiends. It's kind of stupid like the skateboarding/roller blading fued.....or the skiing/snowboarder fued. it's stupid and lame and most people grow out of it (i know i've grown past the stupid differences as a snowboarder/skateboarder/dope fiend who gets along with plenty of people who have different hobbies/DOCs. I'm friends with all sorts of people, but I just relate to some people better than others.
mrs_mia_wallace
Bluelighter
i've been on meth for five years and i have never been to a rave. i got into it via the anorexia-dancer-gymnastics-route. i've only ever known one person who got into tweaking through a rave; he was taking tons of meth based e pills and when he stopped taking the meth-based ones realized he wasn't into it at all and just started doing meth.
maybe it's popular on the east coast to do tweak at raves, but my raver friends don't tweak (besides that one). the meth scenes i've always been in are girls and guys trying to lose weight (for personal and sports) and get through school with straight a's.
my friends that are into opiates hate tweak, but what i find odd is that a lot of them do enjoy coke. my general experience is that people who don't tweak hate tweak and usually hate tweakers. there's good reason for that in some ways, though.
i can't even recall how many times people tell me "tweak is so gross, it's like, totally mad in a chemical lab and it's going to eat at your brain and blah blah blah." sorry, but, ALL drugs have chemicals in them. coke may be originally made from a plant, but what do you think it's cut with? flowers? all drugs nowadays are cut with chemicals so get over it. plus, there are def good and bad tweakers, we are not all the same. i really don't mind any drug scene as long i'm into it. i don't want to be around people who are drinking if i haven't been drinking. i don't want to be around a bunch of stoners if i'm not stoned. i REALLY don't want to be around tweakers if i'm not tweaked. and i def don't ever want to be around someone on hard-core opiates if i'm sober because that's just boring.
LivingOnValium
Bluelighter
I got jsut a few tweaker friends i can stand while buzzing my tits off. They're a lot like me. But I can't stand the majority of speedfreaks who've always got some annoying shit like trading stolen mobile/cellular phones, laptops, etc.. to meth/amphetamine/speed or (sometimes) money... Unfortunately these fuckwits need to be seen if you want to get anything else than cut to fuck shit taht'll make you twitch and cramp..
The dopefiends That'll are my friends are generally cooler than random tweekers I (need to) know. But they'll know what I'm like and when I get an urge to tweak shit out of control i don't bother them unless they're up for a conversation, playing XBOX360/PS3, etc...
But yeah.. I lost a bit my point of making this post so don't be too anal and take seriously the fucked up shit i'm producing tonite.
Not making sense? Good.. Typing this is meaningless as well as i got i've got 8 different projects going on at same time...'
I'm out..
Rollin' for life
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Who to hate
I have always been tolerant of people as long as they were, in my eyes, cool. However one group of drug users that I have tried to avoid are the lazy/hippy/stoner crowd. Do not get me wrong I am all for people loving each other and such but what I dislike is the idealism. Lets get real people siting around and having a bong load is not going to make the Hutu stop killing the Tutsi and vice versa.
The dislike of this crowd actually stems from when I first began shooting smack. I was a stoner for a few years and got bored of it, however I had a gf at the time that smoked alot of pot with her friends while I hid my IV drug use. One day we were sitting there and one of her friends was so proud of her "medical card" and the pot she had. She pulled out a little bottle and said in the most annoying stony voice "It's called lambs wool man it is soooo totally groovy." Seriously the sentence was bad with Lamb's Wool in it. Why in the hell did you have to add totally and groovy all fucking drawn out. I mean are you retarded or what.
Since then my dislike of that crowd has grown, however it does have its merits. I remember running into guys while in school who would get stoned and discuss higher level mathematics and physics. I met them in class and they always wondered why I had to run to the bathroom every hour, but that is neither here nor there.
WHat is interesting is the social stigma of Heroin and Crack, my substances of abuse. I always have to do my drugs alone as I can never find anyone with my appetite for destruction that is not a sscummy person. This might explain the social stigma but there are those of us who are not complete douches. I have in my day done some seriously messed up stuff but I try to make up for it with action now.
Anyway I will end that rant. Basically it seems as if drug users are more prejudice than non drug users in alot of ways. Non dtug users dislike drugs because they are drugs and illegal or unhealthy. Whereas drug users dislike other drugs users because the substance on or the other uses is not "acceptable" to them and gives them a holier than thou attitude. "I only snort coke I dont smoke crack, you dirty crackhead etc...."
Why such biggotry? We all are using substances which are not good for us therefore why this stigma? I guess it goes back to opening sentence as to the Hutu and Tutsi tribes killing themselves off.
I have always been tolerant of people as long as they were, in my eyes, cool. However one group of drug users that I have tried to avoid are the lazy/hippy/stoner crowd. Do not get me wrong I am all for people loving each other and such but what I dislike is the idealism. Lets get real people siting around and having a bong load is not going to make the Hutu stop killing the Tutsi and vice versa.
The dislike of this crowd actually stems from when I first began shooting smack. I was a stoner for a few years and got bored of it, however I had a gf at the time that smoked alot of pot with her friends while I hid my IV drug use. One day we were sitting there and one of her friends was so proud of her "medical card" and the pot she had. She pulled out a little bottle and said in the most annoying stony voice "It's called lambs wool man it is soooo totally groovy." Seriously the sentence was bad with Lamb's Wool in it. Why in the hell did you have to add totally and groovy all fucking drawn out. I mean are you retarded or what.
Since then my dislike of that crowd has grown, however it does have its merits. I remember running into guys while in school who would get stoned and discuss higher level mathematics and physics. I met them in class and they always wondered why I had to run to the bathroom every hour, but that is neither here nor there.
WHat is interesting is the social stigma of Heroin and Crack, my substances of abuse. I always have to do my drugs alone as I can never find anyone with my appetite for destruction that is not a sscummy person. This might explain the social stigma but there are those of us who are not complete douches. I have in my day done some seriously messed up stuff but I try to make up for it with action now.
Anyway I will end that rant. Basically it seems as if drug users are more prejudice than non drug users in alot of ways. Non dtug users dislike drugs because they are drugs and illegal or unhealthy. Whereas drug users dislike other drugs users because the substance on or the other uses is not "acceptable" to them and gives them a holier than thou attitude. "I only snort coke I dont smoke crack, you dirty crackhead etc...."
Why such biggotry? We all are using substances which are not good for us therefore why this stigma? I guess it goes back to opening sentence as to the Hutu and Tutsi tribes killing themselves off.