Benzos Did your benzo habit render opioids ineffective?

[Vieno]

Haha!
Think it's time to take a break from internet use.

Haha don't worry bro, just answer my question now :D

I just made a post with reference to this. I have been caught up in using Alprazolam for the past 3 weeks and, maybe 2-3 days w/o using, using about .5-1.5 mg a day (often snorting half and eating half, so might not be getting the full bang for my buck). I just today noticed I can't seem to get high off my heroin, it is odd. It could just be a tolerance spike, or a weak bag, but I find it weird and think it could be minor benzo w/d rendering the heroin much less useful.

Let us know how the heroin is working tomorrow. In addition to heroin not working well, have you noticed diminution in pleasure generally? Like for example, when listening to music or eating something good or having an orgasm? (Go jerk off to test...) If the benzo WD is fucking with your opioid system, it could cause inability to experience pleasure too. This has happened with GHB/phenibut. Also how's the benzo tolerance now, any idea?

 

[Halif]

Haha don't worry bro, just answer my question now

No! I'm too upset now

(actually, I don't really know the answer, because I used opiates way before I ever touched a benzo).

Sorry for wasting more space in your thread.

(I'm not really sorry - at least I bumped it for you so someone might answer it finally)

 

[Tommyboy]

This thread is a great example of how people lack reading comprehension skills.

I wouldn't say that. The question could be interpreted a few different ways, so not everyone was wrong. Plus they asked two different questions in the OP, one was just asking about the effectiveness of opiates after chronic benzo usage, and the second was asking the effectiveness of opiates while in benzo withdrawal, as seen here:

Basically, some folks who abused GHB or phenibut found themselves almost immune to opioids after quitting the drug and entering withdrawal (possibly after the acute phase). I'm now trying to find out if this happens with benzos too.

So one question seemed to be if opiates still worked the same for people that have been using benzos for a long time, and the second question was how they worked for people in benzo withdrawal. If they asked how they worked for people that have been using benzos for a while then I don't see how it's bad reading comprehension skills if they answered how effective opiates are while taking benzos, because a lot of people that are using benzos chronically will have used the combo.

I am not interested in the combination of a benzo and an opioid. I'm interested in if you noticed diminution in opioids' effects after chronic benzo use. Read the headline again. Some of you did understand my question correctly but I gotta say most of you answered something I never asked I hope I get more answers to my original question (headline) but thanks for all the answers so far!

When I was still taking benzos, no. Since I stopped, yes, but it might have to do with PAWS. I only did opiates a few times since detoxing from benzos, but those few times they weren't as enjoyable as usual, but that might have been from feeling guilty too, since I had stopped opiates too and the times I got high were relapses.

 

[DeLee]

Have not experienced this.
I love my benzos with my opioids. They go hand in hand.
Maybe if you want to lay down and smoke opium and dream away benzos might not be optional
but if you are a junkie that just wants to get fucked up and feel fucking fantastic benzos or barbs are great in combination!

I would say alcohol is something that ruins opioids. I love GHB but I don't take it much with opiods,
WAY to easy to OD and pass out and stop breathing or pass out and choke on your vomit.

 

[Tommyboy]

Have not experienced this.
I love my benzos with my opioids. They go hand in hand.
Maybe if you want to lay down and smoke opium and dream away benzos might not be optional
but if you are a junkie that just wants to get fucked up and feel fucking fantastic benzos or barbs are great in combination!

I would say alcohol is something that ruins opioids. I love GHB but I don't take it much with opiods,
WAY to easy to OD and pass out and stop breathing or pass out and choke on your vomit.

See to me it's more of 'if you're a junkie that just wants to get as fucked up as possible and feel nothing' then benzos a great in combination. It's not a combo to take if you want to take it and go out and do something, it's a combo for just nodding then passing out, which was never my goal with opiates.

 

[catching fish]

I am not interested in the combination of a benzo and an opioid. I'm interested in if you noticed diminution in opioids' effects after chronic benzo use. Read the headline again. Some of you did understand my question correctly but I gotta say most of you answered something I never asked I hope I get more answers to my original question (headline) but thanks for all the answers so far!



Second to that.

Sorry mate I was just chiming in with my two cents on the topic of benzos and opiates. My benzo use was never as chronic as yours so I can't help you out.

However, I might just add (with absolutely no malice intended) that you don't need to get antsy if the discussion veers ever so slightly away from your original question. I mean the majority of posts are still on topic and nobody is being a troll or a prick, and at the end of this is a forum - a place where people come to share and discuss!

I hope you find the answer you are looking for mate.

Peace

 

[Vieno]

So one question seemed to be if opiates still worked the same for people that have been using benzos for a long time, and the second question was how they worked for people in benzo withdrawal. If they asked how they worked for people that have been using benzos for a while then I don't see how it's bad reading comprehension skills if they answered how effective opiates are while taking benzos, because a lot of people that are using benzos chronically will have used the combo.

Oh shit, now I see how all this confusion is my bad too - I was being unclear. I had only one question in my mind, "did your benzo habit render opioids ineffective". By referring to GHB/phenibut withdrawal I was simply referring to the effect of GHB/phenibut habit. So WD or no WD, all I'm interested in is how chronic benzo use changes the intensity to which people feel opioids. I feel like an idiot now, I'm a bad writer, can't get my point through!

When I was still taking benzos, no. Since I stopped, yes, but it might have to do with PAWS. I only did opiates a few times since detoxing from benzos, but those few times they weren't as enjoyable as usual, but that might have been from feeling guilty too, since I had stopped opiates too and the times I got high were relapses.

Would you say they were merely less enjoyable or were all the effects (sedation, analgesia, respiratory depression, miosis, constipation, itch etc.) less pronounced?

E:

Sorry mate I was just chiming in with my two cents on the topic of benzos and opiates. My benzo use was never as chronic as yours so I can't help you out.

However, I might just add (with absolutely no malice intended) that you don't need to get antsy if the discussion veers ever so slightly away from your original question. I mean the majority of posts are still on topic and nobody is being a troll or a prick, and at the end of this is a forum - a place where people come to share and discuss!

I hope you find the answer you are looking for mate.

Peace

Nah not getting antsy at all, just hoping to get more answers to my original question

 

[Tommyboy]

^ I would nod, feel no pain, smoke mad ciggs, but the euphoria was lacking.

 

[tricomb]

^ I would nod, feel no pain, smoke mad ciggs, but the euphoria was lacking.

I wanted to comment on this because I've noticed that benzodiazepines especially in combination with opioids, lead to drastic increases in the amount of cancer-sticks I smoke. Bad.

 

[Vieno]

^ I would nod, feel no pain, smoke mad ciggs, but the euphoria was lacking.

Thanks. So at least this is not the same as it is with GHB/phenibut abuse: in rare cases, they have made opioids completely ineffective.

 

[MrsMorphine]

I know what you were talking about and I've still never heard of that happening. I know tons of chronic benzo users who love opiates.

I'm one if those "chronic benzo users," but I'll qualify my love for opiates by saying that I love being to dial down my ferocious chronic pain... down to nearly nothing, if I'm lucky, for awhile.

In my experience, benzos and opiates have a synergistic effect, taming panic attacks/severe anxiety/PTSD, while the opioids chip away at physical pain.

The two kinds of drugs help make life possible. I haven't noticed them working at cross purposes at all.

 

[DexterMeth]

Thx for the responses, keep 'em coming

@M.Scagnattie, yeah surely they do usually synergize well but what I'm intersted is the effect of chronic benzo use on opioid effects. I'm not talking about using benos and opioids simultaneously. I'm curious if chronic benzo use can change the brain in such a way that opioids do not function well anymore.

I would think that this could happen in the case of someone that experiemces occasional threshold seizures from heavy BZD use. They probably wouldn't even know what was happening, thinking instead that they are "just spacing out".

 

[RTrain]

Let us know how the heroin is working tomorrow. In addition to heroin not working well, have you noticed diminution in pleasure generally? Like for example, when listening to music or eating something good or having an orgasm? (Go jerk off to test...) If the benzo WD is fucking with your opioid system, it could cause inability to experience pleasure too. This has happened with GHB/phenibut. Also how's the benzo tolerance now, any idea?

Well firstly I did not do the "test" you asked me to perform, well I might have that day but I can't remember. Firstly I think that it was a case of a weak batch of heroin, I have since been getting much better stuff and things have been alright. I actually saw my guy 2 days after posting those initial posts about the alprazolam and a mild w/d keeping me from getting high. But when I saw my guy he specifically asked me what I thought about the stuff I was getting and I told him it was so-so, and I seemed to need a lot more. He told me the stuff now is better and he was right, plus hooked it up cause of the weak shit so that made it much. I thought I was having benzo w/d but I still have been taking the alprazolam around 1 mg, sometimes less/sometimes more, about 2 out of every 3 days. But on the days I don't take it I am not in desperate need of it, I just get a bit irritable and some rebound anxiety.

So basically I don't think the alprazolam use was effecting my high, and I can tell you right now I don't need benzos to enjoy my H like I have always. The issue of tolerance and the magic that fades with each day of use is the only thing I attribute my lessened enjoyment of the H. That is not to say I still enjoy taking the benzos, but its not cause without them the opiates are worthless, its b/c with them I can relax even more, and the deeper I get into a period of time of using the more on edge I become so it stands to reason.

also don't get on me about bumping this thread b/c the OP asked me to follow up on one of my past threads, so I granted his wish.

 

[Vieno]

Okay thanks for your info, very useful. In conclusion, no-one in this thread so far has experienced benzo habit rendering opioids ineffective.