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Did you drop out of highschool?

THANK YOU FORGOTTEN

That was exactly what i was gonna say.

but my words woula been more along the lines of, "Damn, you really dont know shit about the contracting world do you."

LOL wizekrak no bad feelings. i understand what youre tryina say but that was just a very business corporte professional minded to a field of work that just aint got that in it. Welding companies dont get "bought out" or nothin like that LOL its just a completely different world man.

Thats what alot of peoples problem is. They apply the workforce corporte logic to things that it really dont fit in.

Its simple to me

In the office/corportion/etc world. its their world. You play by their rules. Your rules dont matter.

Buttttt the same thing goes for shit that AINT that business world. yall gotta recognize, that it really relly dont apply to everything. for example, the welder they would choose as foreman yes is the one who commands the most respect. BUT in the welding world, that person would NOT be somebody who is the most business style. The one who 'comands the most respect.'' would be the cat with the biggest mouth and the most seniority, ass crack hangin out and all. see what im sayin?

just recognize that theres a time and a place for everything. alot of these business cats dont realize that their rules only apply in their world. and thats the attitude that got everybody believing in that whole "you NEED TO GO GET A DEGREE, you NEED to dress like this you NEED to do this" bla bla bla. no you NEED to do that in YOUR world.

so like i said before it takes all types and there really turly honestly is shit you can do out there without all that professional shit and rules and dress codes and memo's and shit like that.

props 2 ya though wizekrak. for recognizing. you could have been a dick about it and argued and shit but thats cool that you were open to bein like "aight, i was wrong. whatever its cool." :)

hope it didnt sem like i was saying the whole post @ you cuz you obviously did see what i was talking about.
 
lacey k said:
Buttttt the same thing goes for shit that AINT that business world. yall gotta recognize, that it really relly dont apply to everything. for example, the welder they would choose as foreman yes is the one who commands the most respect. BUT in the welding world, that person would NOT be somebody who is the most business style. The one who 'comands the most respect.'' would be the cat with the biggest mouth and the most seniority, ass crack hangin out and all. see what im sayin?
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forgotten said:
No one is going to lose a job in the construction industry because they lack formal education, that's not how it works. People who perform skilled trades are evaluated on their work performance only.
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People aren't really going to get a bachelors in welding but there are things like certificate courses that apply to construction jobs. I would imagine that having those credentials will help to get a position over an equally skilled candidate.

You don't NEED to get a degree or take classes for many fields (mine being one of them), but it doesn't hurt to have the extra knowledge. And as I said before, having those extra credentials can help get your foot in the door over someone else.
 
you're right. if you want to be a laborer (and remain one) you don't need any college-prep, college education.
 
Not yet. I seriously seriously want to take the get my GED, go to community college for 2 years then transfer route, but I think I'm too chicken to...
 
Originally posted by chrissie
People aren't really going to get a bachelors in welding but there are things like certificate courses that apply to construction jobs. I would imagine that having those credentials will help to get a position over an equally skilled candidate.


There are basically two ways to learn a construction trade. You can either go for the certificate course as you mentioned, or you can apprentice with an experienced tradesman. The former requires some money, and the latter is going to require you to bust your ass as a laborer for a few years. Either one will get your foot in the door, but the person with the most real world experience (the person that opted to bust their ass as a laborer) is going to get paid more. Going the certificate route is usually the best option, because it's hard to find skilled tradesmen that are willing to train people.
 
Well something yall might not know about welding. It aint like alot of other trades.

To become a union welder (and you prolly dont wanna be any other kind) you have to have the certification first. you start your apprenticeship afteryou get certified. it aint like you get a "leg up" over somebody by having it, you gotta have it to DO welding. you really gotta know your shit w/this because its one of the more risky trades....youre dealing with maaaad electricity runnin through those 2 wires (that is if u are arc welding.) and its pretty fuckin easy to catch yourself on fire if you hold the rod to the metal too long.basically theres alot that can go wrong if you aint experienced enough. MIG and TIG welding is a lot easier.

i think technically AFTER you get your certification, in my case cuz i went to a Tech highschool, you can usually be a apprentice after your third year if you work hard at it, but usually (at least where i went) you go for your certification at the end of your senior year THEN you get a apprenticeship
but the starting rate for fresh outta highschool welders is about 18/hr.

w/the union you get hooked the fuck up. its a pretty reliable dependable fact that if u get certified and join the union youre gonna be gettin PAID, straight up. there is actually much less work you gotta put in, much less "what ifs" and much less "if you get this degree you COULD make this much."

its basically, weld a few years in highschool, pay attention, take the AWC (i think that is what its called but that was 4 years of drug use ago so could be wrong) test then youre certified, and proceed to make mad loot.
 
I graduated highschool.

For me personally I'd rather learn a trade and be in the work force making money and hanging out with college kids on my off time than sitting through 4 MORE years of school.

If you pick the right trade (meaning one that isn't going away anytime soon) you can be making A LOT of money in a short period of time. Luckily at my school we had programs like that that would teach kids that wanted to drop out (or kids that wanted to graduate) trades so they would have something productive to do in life that would take them somewhere. {wow, that was a lot of thats hahaha}

It was a really good program and it kept kids in school and off of the streets commiting crimes and getting locked up. One of my friends is already making 20 bucks an hour right out of highschool welding for some company around here. And that money will only double when he gets more experience and can teach other people how to work.
 
no offence taken. It's always interesting to see things from another point of view. Sometimes you can't see the forest from the trees. As long as soneone is commited to what they do, and willing to bust their ass harder than anyone else, there's no reason not to succeed.

But it's definately better to be lucky than smart.
 
i never even went to high school. i got a "good enough diploma" when i was 17. fuck high school. no regrets for me. i got my ass outta my sleepy hometown and headed up to san francisco. let me tell you, i learned a lot more being out in the world then i would have if i'd still been stuck in that shit town in that shit school full of hicks and people who just wanted to fuck off.

i started community college when i was 17 and have worked my way up to a school where i am studying the shit that i want to study. when people say, "oh you probably missed out on the socialization aspect of it." i just let it slide off my back because the shit that i've experienced and the people i've met out there because of my choice to skip what to me is an overrated and unneccessary thing in my life has rewarded me in ways these people will never know.

i was an "at-risk" youth. they like to numb us folks into classrooms where you don't learn shit and you're watched like a hawk. knowing what i would've been subjected to i have no reason to look back.
 
I graduated highschool and am starting college this fall. I think I was probably one of the only kids in the top five percent of my class to have smoked pot all four years of highschool or tried shooting heroin.
 
Ay man, ninth grade was enough for me. after that i bounced that shit so fast it aint even funny. PEACE BITCHES!!! aw it felt so good to know i wasnt comin back.

Mom-dukes said i was but oh no i wasnt. and she said i was again and i said na, i dont think you understand. i aint goin back. and she said well see. and i said no. we aint seein shit. i aint. goin. back. and thats a wrap :D


Jaymie girl so i aint the only one with the fuck it all no lookin back best thing i ever did was drop out attitude. :)

Eternal autumn:
While you were shootin hero' n in your top five percent i was tradin my electronics in the hood for hero'n LOL its amazing how you get into the same shit tho. no matter how different the situations are. dropouts and graduates alike. but its also amazing, the two different worlds that you do that same thing in, when one of yous in high school and the other ones out.


the only one tiny lil thing i kind of almost regret about dropping out is that i coulda made mad loot slanging in there and if i got caught, shit its all good that was back in the day of bein a juvenile, and shit i STILL woulda got took outta school

i guess nevermind i woulda ended up leaving anyways.
 
jaymie said:

i was an "at-risk" youth. they like to numb us folks into classrooms where you don't learn shit and you're watched like a hawk. .
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I was in that class to, what a waste it was.
 
Thanks to getting myself prescribed to the wonderful drug adderall. I gradruated High School.

I did have to go an extra year though, but since i was on hella adderall everyday i was like bring it on Bitches.
 
m885 said:
It is possible to succeed without education, but it is certainly much easier to do so with upper level degrees. I'm not going to stop until I have at least one graduate degree. After all is said and done, I will be about $75,000 in debt, but it is an investment in the future. Once you have a degree, it is a permanent credential that can be used as leverage even if one doesn't find success in a given field.
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I have a friend who recently completed law school.. He's still going to continue with his education, going for another post-grad degree in international business.. or was it international law, im not sure. Anyways, he'll be passing the $200k mark with school debt's shortly.
 
^^^^yea i know
they were just generalazing and it wasnt important enough to call somebody on.

welding can be a construction trade when theyre putting up the metal frameworks of some buildings though and its also considered a part of the construction trade when they are doing demolition. they gotta cut rebar and take down shit, for example my welding teacher was a foreman of the welding and metalworking team at ground zero where the twin towers got knocked down. they spent a long ass time just geting rid of the rubble

so man if it makes a difference then yea technically you are right but who gives a fuck we still understand what each other are talking about
 
You will have to forgive me. All of the welders that I know are ironworkers, so I lumped them into the construction category.
 
I don't know anyone who regrets getting a degree. I know people that don't have a degree and try to say that they're doing ok without one, but I don't know anyone who finished school and regrets doing so.
 
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