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Did pre-loading almost give me serotonin syndrome? Had a crazy 7 hour roll?!?

devorzon

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Hello, I was wondering if anyone can shed some light on this. I roll about every 2-4 months, probably average around 5 times a year for the past 3 years. I've been doing it on the same Molly I got a while back; I bought enough to last me around 10 years since I knew it was of good quality and at the time it was pretty rare to get where I live. I know this stuff is good, i've tested it myself with Marquis and also sent in a sample to ecstasydata to see if there was anything else in there they could detect. I've been doing around 230mg for the last year and decided to increase it to 240mg this last Friday since I could feel my rolls were kind of getting weaker. Also decided to do several other things I read on this site to "preload", hoping to build up my serotonin levels. I started on Sunday, and I was planning to roll 5 days later on Friday night. Mostly what I did was take 5-htp (100mg twice a day, 12 hour slow release formula, Sunday through Thursday morning), Quercetin (500mg/day, Sun through friday morning), L-Tryptophan (500mg once a day, sun through thurs night), ate 2 of those big 70% dark chocolate bars during the week (finished the last of it on Friday morning), ate walnuts and mixed nuts (cashews,mac nuts, almonds, peanuts) every day from sun thru friday afternoon, and even took a walk in the sun after work for three days since I heard sunlight can help increase your serotonin.

Now on the day of rolling, I took a vitamin c in morning and afternoon and drank a pint of freshly squeezed orange juice with lunch. Ate a normal dinner and took another vitamin c. Around 10pm I drank an Odwala juice that claims to have 1500% of the daily recommended vitamin C. So I dropped the 240mg molly around 1:00am, and everything went pretty much as usual. I did notice maybe it kicked in around 10 minutes earlier, like in 50 minutes compared to the usual hour. I was rolling as usual, but it was much more intense and I was very happy thinking the preloading helped. It was one of the better time I had rolling, and as usual around 5:00 I could tell the peak was over and I was starting to come down. All normal times for me. As usual when I can feel that i'll be losing that great ecstacy high, I took 3 capsules of Piracetam (2400mg) and drank it down with Airborne, even more vitamin C. This is where it got really weird. I think around 5:30 I felt a second wave coming, I thought cool, maybe the Piracetam did something to extend the roll. From that point it got even more intense and by 6:15 I think I was rolling harder than from when I originally peaked! Usually by now I would be passed out sleeping. Come 7:00am I it was still very intense, yet it was pleasurable but I was getting scared. My chest felt like it was having an orgasm and even my legs felt kind of paralyzed with that feeling. Thought maybe I was getting Serotonin syndrome so I crawled to the computer to look at the symptoms. I didn't have any of the symptoms except maybe the sweating and nausea. I did try to throw up twice but only water came out, probably because I hadn't eaten in 12 hours or so. My temp. wasn't too high either at around 99 degrees. I was starting to panic and tried to make myself go to sleep but my heart was beating so hard I was getting scared, could here it thumping away so I could not fall asleep. I almost drove myself to the emergency room since I had never felt this way; it was just so intense and since it was 6 hours since i took the pill thought it was strange. If I didn't live in a small town I probaly would've gone to the ER. Anyway that "high" finally did go away around 9am which is crazy for me. Usually if I drop at 1am my high would be over at 5 and i'd be knocked out sleeping by 6am. I felt nausea till around 10 and little head pressure but was able to fall asleep for 6 hours. I could still feel my heart beating faster than normal though. I woke up feeling like I normally do, a little tired. The rest of the weekend and week went by normally except for my heartbeat. I don't have anything to measure it but I could tell it was beating faster than normal on and off for sunday. I was scared I'd end up getting those crazy brain zaps people here talk about or some other weird problems, but really don't feel any differently from when I normally roll.

Is this a normal experience for some of you guys? It really freaked me out and really don't want to go through it again unless I know I'm not doing some crazy damage to my body. I've never had that kind of "second wave", and just the fact that it was so intense and even stronger than my original peak freaks me out. I remember thinking even if i had the strongest orgasm I've ever had I wouldn't even had felt it cause my whole body just felt crazy good. But at the same time I couldn't enjoy it because I was scared I was OD'ing or something. I don't take any other kind of drugs so don't have any experience in this kind of stuff. I appreciate any thoughts about this.
 
Wow lol. Not sure if the Piracetam can do that or what? Iv never heard of someone peaking twice lol. That is very strange though. Id like to hear if someone has experienced this also.....

Im thinking maybe your first peak wasnt really the peak after all. It hit you in waves as MDMA can do sometimes. The waves started to calm down so you thought it was starting to come down. But it wasnt, it just took a bit for the next wave to hit. Still its weird how there could be so much time in between the waves.
 
I don't think the Vitamin C helped your roll, it lessens the effects actually. And for the 5-HTP, I've heard it causes down-regulation of serotonin receptors, so I would only take it for a few days after (not before) rolling. Interesting about what you said happened with the Piracetam though. I have only heard of people taking it before they roll, not while they are coming down.
 
I don't think the Vitamin C helped your roll, it lessens the effects actually. And for the 5-HTP, I've heard it causes down-regulation of serotonin receptors, so I would only take it for a few days after (not before) rolling. Interesting about what you said happened with the Piracetam though. I have only heard of people taking it before they roll, not while they are coming down.

We dont know if the Piractam caused this to happen. Since when does Vitamin C lessen the effects of MDMA? I dont think it really matters bro. I don't think it increases the effects of MDMA, but i also don't think it lessens the effects either.

Also iv not heard of down-regulation of serotonin receptors from 5-HTP. I thought the only time those get down-regulated is after MDMA use. I could be wrong about that though.
 
Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) increases metabolism and excretion rate of MDMA, making your roll much shorter. Just saying.


and yeah, jam packing your self with so many serotonergic agents is just asking for trouble

Also iv not heard of down-regulation of serotonin receptors from 5-HTP. I thought the only time those get down-regulated is after MDMA use. I could be wrong about that though.

Very wrong. They de-regulate naturally overtime for one, SSRIs are known to downregulate them similar to MDMA abuse as well and any other serotonergic agent used too often will do the same.
 
Thanks for the replies. I'm pretty sure the vitamin C and Piracetam had nothing to do with this roll since, except the for the Airborne, I take it like this every time. I read that vitamin C and Piracetam suppose to help with the neurotoxicity so I just take it to hopefully reduce any kind of damage I may be doing when I roll. Pretty much only thing I did different this roll was to try and boost my serotonin with the 5-htp and food. Also I think I may be feeling a little more foggy headed now than I normally do after a roll, but it still minor and not nearly as bad as what I read what people go through here.
 
^ Take the vitamin C after your roll, before it will only make it shorter. Around the 4-5th hour is probably the best time to clear out those nasty


Taking 5-HTP before a roll is risky already though, and I'd say piracetam and 5-HTP have a chance to cause SS by themselves... add MDMA and chocolate (a mild MAOi) to that and you have a recipe for disaster! You're lucky it didn't turn out worse, IE with you dead



Also I think I may be feeling a little more foggy headed now than I normally do after a roll, but it still minor and not nearly as bad as what I read what people go through here.


Good. Don't trick yourself into thinking you have every symptom you read about like some others do :\
 
Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) increases metabolism and excretion rate of MDMA, making your roll much shorter. Just saying.


and yeah, jam packing your self with so many serotonergic agents is just asking for trouble



Very wrong. They de-regulate naturally overtime for one, SSRIs are known to downregulate them similar to MDMA abuse as well and any other serotonergic agent used too often will do the same.

LOL. How the fuck is that "Very wrong"? All I said was I had not heard of it is all. Damn Folley, calm the fuck down dude.
 
You said the only time that serotonin could be down-regulated is from MDMA abuse, I just corrected that!


Perhaps you should look something up if you think it might be wrong, if you google "serotonin down-regulation" the first result is the SSRI Wiki page
 
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