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Stimulants Did meth blow your mind/can quality ruin it

soneal97

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I hate to ask a question that might be virtually impossible to answer, but I've had my mind wracked and perplexed with this since my very first meth experience. Of all the drugs I've ever tried, I still consider methamphetamine to have been the most disappointing. And I want to know what's wrong with either me or my drugs, because I've always been underwhelmed. The first time I touched it, I did a decent line. I felt no mood lift, but a strong body euphoria and the urge to talk. I don't exxagerate when I tell you that my initial reaction was "What's the big deal?" I was expecting my mind to be blown by this drug, to feel that ungodly euphoria everyone speaks of when they refer to its dangers and its addictive properties.

Instead, it was very, very underwhelming. Reminded me of ecstasy, but without all the smiling. That had me perplexed for a while, though I'd snort a little every once in a while when I couldn't get ahold of cocaine. But I was strictly wired on it. Like caffeine enhanced. Then a friend offered to teach me to smoke it one night. I thought for sure this would be what I had been looking for. That I would finally understand all the addicts and the fear and the reputation and get a rush that would terrify me with it's strength. And despite the tremendous hits I took, having my friend initially roll the pipe for me, I still felt nothing special. Now, the body euphoria was much, much more intense when smoked, and I enjoyed it. As far as a body high is concerned, it was God. But I've felt more mentally euphoric off of weed. I wanted that rush that is coke x 3, or whatever it is they say. I've snorted and smoked one unfortunate and unhealthy amount of meth since then, but the high's were never any less underwhelming. I think that's the reason I approached my use so casually and fearlessly afterwards, smoking a lot more frequently than I should have for a while. Around friends. It didn't feel risky because it never felt like anything other than what I would consider a light high. I learned to smoke properly and had dope from various different dealers, usually those of friends of mine. But still. The stuff never even compared to ex for me, much less quality cocaine. I'm sure I technically have to be getting the rush. I certainly do get sleepy after taking too many hits, and wouldn't that be the dopamine rush tiring me out eventually? But even if the dopamine is there, I swear to you that I do not feel it. It's like the euphoria I'm supposed to be feeling is blocked or something. It never has me smiling incessantly, never gives me confidence. Hell, just doesn't do what stimulants are supposed to. I started thinking it might be the result of a tolerance in general I had developed for stimulants, but nope. I got ahold of some good coke, did a huge rail, and WHAM! I was in heaven. Brain tingling, breathtaking euphoria. Everything I was accustomed to feeling, and expected to feel to an even greater extent on meth. But then I go back to the pipe and get the same confusing results.

Never seemed to get a cross-tolerance, either. Smoked almost every day for a good while with a couple of friends who had jumped on the bandwagon with me. And even when my tolerance for the drug became very evident and alarming, I could still get sober and go get totally blitzed on coke. And just like the first line after a long break. As if I hadn't been consistently using another drug that releases dopamine. It's like the meth doesn't even matter when it comes to my head. I can be wired like crazy and up for a couple of days, then do a line of cocaine and.. there it is. Suddenly I'm actually high and not just speedy. I swear this is the truth, and it drives me crazy that I've never been able to understand what my problem is. Someone else has had to experience this. It's ridiculous. I don't even feel an ex-like mental high from the seratonin to go with the body high. I'll be wired and talking, for sure, but I don't understand why because my mood remains perfectly normal. I feel no confidence, no "everything is alright", nothing at all that would take me out of character like coke does. To be completely honest, I think it levels me out a little bit. I can be ridiculously happy when I'm sober, grinning at everyone, and after the meth everything is pretty much "pleasant enough". Almost like a mood DROP. Kind of crazy, eh? And it's been the same since the beginning. There's energy and there's focus, but I feel that Adderall would probably get me to the same place. I've tried everything I can, and I can't figure out what it is that's preventing me from fully experiencing what is this allegedly most euphoric drug known to man. Any ideas at all would be very, very helpful. I want to understand the legitimate cause of this so that people will believe me when I insist that, for me, meth is not the stronger of the drugs.

Could it be I was getting nothing but terrible quality stuff throughout all those months? But no.. I've seen my best friend get scarily intense and egotistical off the stuff often, with this cartoonish full grin on his face the whole time he's rattling off. And though we'll do the same amount (and even though his tolerance is considerably higher. Years of use, sadly), I'll get frustrated and jealous trying to keep up with him and wondering how the heck I managed to snort my lines incorrectly. Why? Just why? Could the other side effects be overtaking the high, in my case? Forcing the euphoria to the background? I slowed down use after a while in consideration for my brain, but I was doing it for such a good while, so frequently, that cravings should have been inevitable. But nope.Not once have I craved it sober or drinking or otherwise. And yet I still find myself having cravings for cocaine, a drug I was much more careful with and did much less often, overall. But seems to make sense.. in an odd sort of way. How can you crave a euphoria you've never noticed? I'm going to give it up soon partly because my group is doing the same, but mainly because it seems ridiculous to suffer all the negative side effects of a drug that I even have to remind myself that I'm on, at times. I've sat at a table smoking with guys all night and then it suddenly comes to me that I'm wasting his dope, cause I have to think too hard about how I'd even know I were intoxicated if the pipe weren't right in front of me, letting me know I'd been smoking.
 
I know I'm not crazy and alone here. There has to be an logical/neurological explanation.
 
It seems like you're expecting way more out of it then what it offers. Meth is just a dopaminergic stimulant, it's not gonna blow your mind to bits. Perhaps trying it orally would give you better results. But, some people just react poorly to stimulants while others love them. Such was the case with MDPV. My buddy would just redose and redose and talk his face off, but I just didn't really get the high or euphoria that he got and so therefore i stopped using it.
 
But I adore cocaine. It's the highest high I've ever experienced, personally So I'd expect to get off on stimulants. And I usually do. And do meth and coke not work with the same neurotransmitters? I don't get why one can scare the hell out of me with how much I love it, while the other has virtually nothing to offer
 
I have yet to meet anyone who actually enjoys being tweaked. Yet, most users I know would sell their soul to get their next dime bag. I don't understand this drug at all.
 
I mean, some people say what you're saying. That it's a much milder drug and they aren't particularly overwhelmed by it. But there's another half of people who swear it's the most intense and most dangerously addictive high one can experience. Even more intense than crack. Crack or enough coke, I can't maintain myself in public. The euphoria is too on top of me. I've never felt out of control or cracked out after smoking meth. I don't really lose my head the way I like.
 
I do know some guys who just enjoy being ridiculously wired. One pal of mine refuses to smoke it because it doesn't "get him off". He doesn't really care for the high as much as he does dropping or snorting large amounts and moving at 100 mph all day. Just doesn't understand why anyone would want to smoke and get relaxed instead. Clean coke is so much more pleasant to get wired on, though. More clean, less sketchy. After enough meth, it just FEELS like you're abusing and overdosing on a pharmaceutical narcotic. Weird drug, man. So a lot of people do know where I'm coming from, I guess. The experiences are just very strongly divided between "It's just meth, man. Nothing special" and , "It's Satan" The guys who do think it's the greatest thing on earth just seem to think you're insane or lying when you say you can get higher elsewhere.
 
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I agree with you here, it's just not what one expects going into it. I expected Adderall x10, to be blown away heart racing like I just smoked a big hit of crack or big shot of coke, but nope. Nothing like that. I felt relaxed, yawning even, wanted to take a nap at lower doses even smoked. Then I upped the ante and did about an 1/8 of a gram IV at once, just to get that overwhelming euphoria of coke or crack that I expected, and still, nothing but leveled out and calm. I walked out of the bathroom and just laid down on the floor like I did a shot of heroin or something. Part of it might be my ADHD, and maybe you have something similar, who knows.

I expected IV to be an intense rush, but it seems to come over me slowly. Like I know I'm high, but the overwhelming euphoria isn't there. After I did that 1/8 gram IV, I smoked a good bit more, and then I felt like I was on ecstasy, king of the world type shit. Drove around feeling like I was on the edge of orgasm. I don't know, tolerance might have something to do with it, but I totally agree that coke or crack blows it out of the water as far as rush and head euphoria. I just didn't get that bellringer from meth that I did from coke, not the same.

Personally, that's why I like it better. It's far more subtle, and I feel much more like myself. On a coke binge I can turn into a monster, but doing meth I don't know it just isn't the same obsession that comes with redosing every 5 mins on blow. I can be high for 12 hours from a good shot or hit from the pipe. It's probably a personal thing though too like I said, everyone looked at me like who the fuck lays down after shooting a bunch of meth? lol
 
meth does not give u the instantaneous up feeling that coke does. it keeps you up and wired or whatever much longer, but coke and its variants provide a much more intense, short-lived type of feeling.
 
I agree with you here, it's just not what one expects going into it. I expected Adderall x10, to be blown away heart racing like I just smoked a big hit of crack or big shot of coke, but nope. Nothing like that. I felt relaxed, yawning even, wanted to take a nap at lower doses even smoked. Then I upped the ante and did about an 1/8 of a gram IV at once, just to get that overwhelming euphoria of coke or crack that I expected, and still, nothing but leveled out and calm. I walked out of the bathroom and just laid down on the floor like I did a shot of heroin or something. Part of it might be my ADHD, and maybe you have something similar, who knows.

I expected IV to be an intense rush, but it seems to come over me slowly. Like I know I'm high, but the overwhelming euphoria isn't there. After I did that 1/8 gram IV, I smoked a good bit more, and then I felt like I was on ecstasy, king of the world type shit. Drove around feeling like I was on the edge of orgasm. I don't know, tolerance might have something to do with it, but I totally agree that coke or crack blows it out of the water as far as rush and head euphoria. I just didn't get that bellringer from meth that I did from coke, not the same.

Personally, that's why I like it better. It's far more subtle, and I feel much more like myself. On a coke binge I can turn into a monster, but doing meth I don't know it just isn't the same obsession that comes with redosing every 5 mins on blow. I can be high for 12 hours from a good shot or hit from the pipe. It's probably a personal thing though too like I said, everyone looked at me like who the fuck lays down after shooting a bunch of meth? lol

WTF adderall 10s is not meth last time i checked........LOL WTF
 
I agree with you here, it's just not what one expects going into it. I expected Adderall x10, to be blown away heart racing like I just smoked a big hit of crack or big shot of coke, but nope. Nothing like that. I felt relaxed, yawning even, wanted to take a nap at lower doses even smoked. Then I upped the ante and did about an 1/8 of a gram IV at once, just to get that overwhelming euphoria of coke or crack that I expected, and still, nothing but leveled out and calm. I walked out of the bathroom and just laid down on the floor like I did a shot of heroin or something. Part of it might be my ADHD, and maybe you have something similar, who knows.

I expected IV to be an intense rush, but it seems to come over me slowly. Like I know I'm high, but the overwhelming euphoria isn't there. After I did that 1/8 gram IV, I smoked a good bit more, and then I felt like I was on ecstasy, king of the world type shit. Drove around feeling like I was on the edge of orgasm. I don't know, tolerance might have something to do with it, but I totally agree that coke or crack blows it out of the water as far as rush and head euphoria. I just didn't get that bellringer from meth that I did from coke, not the same.

Personally, that's why I like it better. It's far more subtle, and I feel much more like myself. On a coke binge I can turn into a monster, but doing meth I don't know it just isn't the same obsession that comes with redosing every 5 mins on blow. I can be high for 12 hours from a good shot or hit from the pipe. It's probably a personal thing though too like I said, everyone looked at me like who the fuck lays down after shooting a bunch of meth? lol

You expected adderall to be like IV coke or crack? :\
 
@trocious: I think that ADHD people react differently to amphetamines than everybody else, hence the reason why Adderall is the choice treatment and speed calms them down (ADHD = not enough dopamine; amphetamines = dopaminergic drugs). Sadly, I have ADHD, but I am not medicated and have no access to street speed either, so I cannot speak from personal experience...

@LonE1 & Mr. Scagnattie: I guess he meant he was expecting meth to be something like 10 times better/stronger than Adderall, not that he was confusing Adderall 10s with meth... :)
 
One Dose:

Cocaine: Very short lived high: 15-45 minutes depending on quality. Moderate euphoria. Extreme energy. Makes you want to talk and fuck. (I consider cocaine to be more of a head high, after the rush). Major ego boost. If you take more than 1 or 2 lines be sure to fiend.

Meth: Very, very long high: 4-12 hours. Depending on quality the euphoria of Meth rivals MDMA, without all the false love. I have sniffed and smoked meth. It is incredibly addicting to smoke meth. I think many users are more addicted to the "ritual" of loading, smoking, and twisting their pipe, watching the "Crystal Ball" as my buddies used to say. But who knows. Back when I used stims I used to prefer sniffing the meth, gave a better rush to me. Major spine tingles. For me, the problem with Meth is the desirable effects go away after an hour or tops, then you have to deal with all this extra energy and anxiety, all the while craving more meth to get that orginal high back. And you won't be able to sleep, and you won't want ot eat. Least fiend-indusing stim for me.

Crack: Better rush than cocaine and meth put together. But that's all it is, a rush. Then you only think about redosing.

Adderall (my favorite stim) : Reminds me a lot of meth, minus most of the "tweak" side effects. I get mild euphoria that lasts quite a while. Nose doesn't burn. No needles in arm. Cleaner. And energy for the day. If it didn't make me sweat so much I'd take it multiple times a week.

My point is, don't do cocaine and expect meth results. Or anything for that matter. Hell, even switching from OxyContin to Heroin I was still sick for a day or two, even with the heavy opes in my body.
 
I am the exact same way. When I do coke, particularly crack, it feels so good. I am smiling, chatting, and my lady-bits are so stimulated I can hardly control myself. But with meth, it's basically like adderall.

Do you have add/adhd? I've always had some attention issues and adderall will give me an insane focus, while allowing me to stay up. Not exactly enjoyable but I always used it while studying. Meth seems equivalent to adderall to me. Maybe it's the association with focusing and studying, or maybe my brain is just wired differently, but I would take coke over meth any day of the week, hands down, no questions asked.
 
The first time i tried it 3 years ago in Arizona, yes, it blew my fucking mind. I had always thought it would be a "speedy, amphetamine-type high similar to adderall", but fuck no. I was NODDING on the shit, seriously. I couldn't move. I was paralyzed with euphoria, and it felt like MDMA times a thousand.....
Now, that was AMAZING QUALITY.

A year later, i did some shit in OREGON, that was HORRIBLE quality, and it felt really speedy, energetic, almost like a caffeine times ten.....

To answer your ?, YES, quality has everything to do with this drug. Really good quality is NOTHING like regular amphetamine or other uppers.
 
This is true, anecdotally at least. I had a boyfriend who was definitely ADHD back before it was being diagnosed. He was so beautiful, but impossible to be around because he was either racing around like a deranged chimp or obnoxiously drunk, trying to self-medicate. Then he came over wired one day, and it was like he was a normal person. It was insane. I was accustomed to people being more crazy on crank, but he was totally cool. Other people commented on it too. Then I started hearing about ADD and adderall a couple of years later, and thought, ah. That is one guy who should really be on medication for that condition. His personality changed totally for the better, which -- in my experience -- is nearly unheard of with crank.
 
Omg spent 4 hours on a post here and its gone, copy paste *poof*. fuckkkk...

To summarize (the below is my opinion and prob not good HR):

A reward stim like drug manifests its desired effects in activity and is less noticeable trying to determine effects with conscious thought while doing nothing else.
When its working is when you are engrossed in some activity without a single thought to monitoring the effects.

Now subjectively coke feels more obvious then meth, its like it has another more noticeable layer to it, like a drunkeness or mild MDMA type effect. I feel it sways towards goofy, social or entertainment needing behavior. More of a natural hedonistic high, a party drug perhaps.

Amps and meth are more pure and seemingly more unnoticeable, pure reward based mostly meaning its very subtle until you get engaged and forget. Its why its so useful. It rewards you for doing that shit assignment you didnt want to before.

Anyways, my feeling about measuring the quality or euphoria of a stim dopamine high is based on the sensation of time passing or the frequency of checking it.
A strong reward drug should keep you focused and attached to a single task for the longest without distraction since its constantly rewarding you to do so.
Meth has kept me doing simple things for 12 hours or more forsaking food or survival. Its scary. Coke is not really comparable at all.

Now, amps in low doses cause anxiety, speedyness, jitteryness, caffine high and all those other bad effects i hear about and thats at similar doses usually recommended or deemed safe. Meth in "recommended" starting rec doses sucks really and im sure this is why it has a bad name out there as being low quality or subpar to coke.

But where coke might have 3 levels of high, low, medium and fucked, meth has like 15 in comparison. There is a large dose range with a large range of effects, from speedy anxiety to "I am god". I know this because was stupid and took large doses not knowing better. My body would be broken in pain and i never noticed once until i reduced dosages and realized what painful side effects i was going through that never even registered through the "perfection" of the godlike high.

You dont want to go that far but i can confirm that meth is more of a tool that can provide differing experiences based on knowledge and risk level allowances.

Usually any bad effects from meth are resolved by increasing dosage. This has never failed me to be honest. Dangerous yes but i always found if there was anything uncomfortable mentally like anxiety, increased dosage resolved it.
 
It was more likely garbage, Ive been in many situations were people were given garbage and acted like they received the best stuff ever!! If you were with @ least one person who you deemed not a total idiot and his experience was the same as yous then there's your explanation! But if you think back and you were @ a party or wherever with a bunch of mindless idiots, you need to find a new source and do it again but don't bring a mindless idiot with you!!
 
Hmm, the first time was gonna be the only time; telling myself all this stuff about no matter how amazing it was it was the one drug I would only do once, lol. Took two hits off foil and was really underwhelmed. Occured at a homeless encampment under a bridge. Watched a guy talk about how he was a navy seal since age 8 and an Apache (he was blonde hair- blue eyed). I was unimpressed to say the least. A month later I was with a girl who broke me down a quarter gram line; as soon as I took a drip of water up my nose I experience something I would never experience on meth again. Full oneness; akin to the peak of a salvia trip. (exactly the same, I WAS GOD). That was 3 years ago and since then I've gone through huge spells of addiction at one point going through at least an ounce a month and have started injecting. I normally have a pretty clear mindset and what not (at least it seems that way to me) unless I've been up for hella days. A lot of the attraction is the focus increase and body high/sexual aspects of the drug. At least that's how it is for me.
 
Well I've got a meeting in 10 so I'll be brief. For amphetamines there are recognized genetic factors which can significantly reduce the subjective effects. IIRC it's mutations in the DAT and D4, but I know there are a ton of other factors involved. Also, dopamine is more of a wanting/ priming for reward factor than actual euphoria. IIRC most of the subjective "euphoria" effects of amphetamine can be blocked after 3 hours with a mu opioid antagonist.

Also, duration and kinetics play a huge role in subjective effects, generally the faster and shorter a drug is the more intense it is. Cocaine is also far more than a simple 5HT/DA/NE reuptake inhibitor as well so that could play a role.

Also, that is one hell of a wall of text. Surprisingly well written though.
 
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