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did any of you take LSD back in the early 70s or earlier?

The problem with making comparisons between blotter strenghts is that it degrades very quickly in that media. According to an interview with Owsley Stanley in a matter of hours, days, and possibly in weeks it's almost gone from the blotter.

This is just speculation from me, but maybe in the 70s large numbers of blotters were spiked and consumed sooner after being manufactured, because supply was regular and no one bothered keeping stocks. And nowadays supply is scarce and irregular making people keep them for longer and letting them spoil, this would explain why today's blotter is on average weaker than before. Maybe it's weaker the moment it's consumed, not necessarily weaker per hit the moment it's manufactured.
 
midnitecruiser said:
The problem with making comparisons between blotter strenghts is that it degrades very quickly in that media. According to an interview with Owsley Stanley in a matter of hours, days, and possibly in weeks it's almost gone from the blotter.

This is just speculation from me, but maybe in the 70s large numbers of blotters were spiked and consumed sooner after being manufactured, because supply was regular and no one bothered keeping stocks. And nowadays supply is scarce and irregular making people keep them for longer and letting them spoil, this would explain why today's blotter is on average weaker than before. Maybe it's weaker the moment it's consumed, not necessarily weaker per hit the moment it's manufactured.
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Nah it's definitely laid weaker now than it used to be.

As for degrading it does happen, but I've kept all sorts of blotters for ages and they really don't degrade if you store them carefully. I've come back to tabs after months and months of storing them. Liqqy dropped on cookies as well. Never noticed any loss in potency.
 
Well, the first time I tripped was before the NBOMe's were available and it didn't last long enough to be DOX, so my odds are pretty good. Sure, I'd be more certain if I sent it to a lab, but not by much.

Maybe it was ALD-52? Then again, maybe the stuff your dad took in the 70's was ALD-52.

Simply put, the answer to "Is LSD available for those who want to buy it?" is yes. Unless every producer in the world has switched to making some other similar substance and calling it LSD, thereby fooling us all.
 
As well as fooling testing labs and ensuring that chemists mentioned nothing about it not being LSD in their defences when caught.

Any forensic chemist analysing confiscated blotter would love to make their name by being the first to identify a novel LSD analogue, but that hasn't happened either.
 
this cell phone internet fucks up quotes, sorry in advance.

Question is..where can you legally and reliably send a hit of blotter to test for LSD as well as active adulterants? referring to labs that is

Transform said:
As well as foolingtesting labs and ensuring that chemists mentioned nothing about it not being LSD in their defences when caught.

Any forensic chemist analysing confiscated blotter would love to make their name by being the first to identify a novel LSD analogue, but that hasn't happened either.
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I mean..how do you know there are any legit LSD cooks who somehow have the very expensive ergotamine and diethalymine at their disposal in mass quantities?

Clocktower said:
Well, the first time I tripped was before the NBOMe's were available and it didn't last long enough to be DOX, so my odds are pretty good. Sure, I'd be more certain if I sent it to a lab, but not by much.

Maybe it was ALD-52? Then again, maybe the stuff your dad took in the 70's was ALD-52.

Simply put, the answer to "Is LSD available for those who want to buy it?" is yes. Unless every producer in the world has switched to making some other similar substance and calling it LSD, thereby fooling us all.
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no for the 70's


But East Coast underground in the early 90's had some good stuff. I can say this I have taken many different tabs and at times they were really very different. One time I took something simmilar to what you just described white blotter no perforation they called it white cloud.

many who took it... kid had a sheet available complained of back pain and indicated it had too much stricknine in it. I had some neck pain and agreed it was a really crappy come down. Everytime I did paper I had a slightly different experience not all paper is equal and not all is LS 21 or LS 25 or whatever the numbers they are that get thrown around, in my opinion.


Now on the other hand at Kenyon I did two hit of white fluff.... looked simmilar but was on the same level as liquid it was awsome stuff .
 
first off... to answer your general question: has LSD been circulating since the 1970s. The answer is yes. read up on William Leonard Picard.


MagicalOrangutan said:
it took 30-40 minutes to notice effects and peak was full at 80-90 minutes, yes. How long have you been doing acid robot?
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That sounds exactly like acid to me. as does "coming down after 5 hours but still noticeably tripping"

RobotRipping said:
Visuals are also quite a bit different [between LSD and NBOMe] ... but the state of mind isn't really that different IMO.
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ime it is quite the opposite. the visuals are very similar for me and the overall mental aspects much different.

HCandKROD said:
I feel robot is correct in that you possibly could have gotten something other than LSD.The only anxiety I have experienced on acid was on the come up sometimes I felt I made a bad decision by tripping. But, the anxiety only lasted for 30 to 45 minutes at most till I started tripping then all was forgotten:D.
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and I have always had anxiety throughout every acid trip i've had.

my point is that "your mileage may vary," "different strokes for different folks," etc
acid isn't the holy grail. lsd isn't a perfect trip every time and it's not perfect for every person.
it seems really short sighted, to me, to write off every bad experience with LSD as being "fake blotter" ... especially given the fact that DOx and NBOMe are genuinely enjoyable for some people, and LSD is genuinely not enjoyable for some people.
 
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midnitecruiser said:
The problem with making comparisons between blotter strenghts is that it degrades very quickly in that media. According to an interview with Owsley Stanley in a matter of hours, days, and possibly in weeks it's almost gone from the blotter.
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owsley was wrong.

weadazoid said:
But East Coast underground in the early 90's had some good stuff. I can say this I have taken many different tabs and at times they were really very different. One time I took something simmilar to what you just described white blotter no perforation they called it white cloud.
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i used to get unperfed blotter all through the 90s into the 2000s and it was always good ol' lsd.
 
acid isn't the holy grail. lsd isn't a perfect trip every time and it's not perfect for every person.
it seems really short sighted, to me, to write off every bad experience with LSD as being "fake blotter" ... especially given the fact that DOx and NBOMe are genuinely enjoyable for some people, and LSD is genuinely not enjoyable for some people.
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You seem to be one of the few people who actually understand. The things i hear people blame on RCs are like the classic side effects of LSD too. I had the exact same silly conversations with my friends in 1988 when we didnt blame RCs, we blamed rat poison. We we ignorant. Its like at woodstock when they said the acid was bad, it wasnt bad at all there no such thing bad trip inducing acid. Good acid causes bad trips as well as good. People have recyled the old myths and now blame RC's, because they dont know acid well enough. LSD is going to be vastly different over different trips, thats why i like it. People seem to expect every acid trip to be the same, so they cry wolf about rc's because the trip time was different length, or different visuals or less heady. You just can't predict acid. I am interested in how acid effects are different on my 39 year old body than my 16 year old one. For instance i can sleep now on it. I used to have crap sleep after tripping, not now. But i know enough to not blame something being more or less speedy, i am aware its me, acid is exactly the same.
 
i have tested the 4 most recent batches of lsd to come around my area with http://bunkpolice.org/ehrlichs-test-kit/ and all 4 have tested positive for lsd
two batches where unperforated white on white paper and two perfed prints one was golden butterflies infront of eyes and red and blue checkers, the other was brown screaming faces. all batches i would judge to be roughly 90-110ug with the brown faces on the higher end and the white closer to 90.

i have tested 25c and 25i nbomes to make sure there was a different results so i know it wasn't that or a DOx


its a possibility that you got an analog of lsd as my experiences with these sound very similar to yours. lsd should last strong into the 8th hour and be almost gone by the 12th hour.
 
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Everyone talking about how it could have been nbome are missing the most important fact...

Nbome on tabs only work if you hold them in your mouth, you could up and swallow a dozen nbome tabs and i'm not sure you'd feel a thing.

So, OP, what you got, you said didn't taste bitter (first strike against it being nbome), and secondly, did you swallow it or hold it in your mouth for like 30 minutes? If you just swallowed it and tripped that hard, it wasn't an nbome, plain and simple.

I think there is still LSD out there, but I've only had LSD once. From a liquid dropper, only reason I know it was LSD was that I was with a guy who's much much older and experience than I am, he said it definitely was acid, just a low dose (he also made a comment about how it was "crumby acid", not sure if that just means again, a low dosed blotter, or if he meant something else).

But it definitely, compared to all the things I have tripped on, had a distinct feel to it, a beauty that nothing else had, it felt so true unlike many other RC psychs like nbomes that feel artificial IMO.
 
midnitecruiser said:
The problem with making comparisons between blotter strenghts is that it degrades very quickly in that media. According to an interview with Owsley Stanley in a matter of hours, days, and possibly in weeks it's almost gone from the blotter.
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Sorry what?

I've eaten blotter that according to test results, although I never saw them myself and many online along with people in real life who also agreed that it was LSD even a year later. I didn't even really notice any potency loss to be honest. Multiple types of blotter actually now looking back.

I'd say acid stock was a lot larger back then, when it's about these days it flies out. Grams used to be getting knocked out on the regular, no longer the case in my opinion. With technology these days and things like the Internet/More high-tech computers it's so much easier to chase someone who begins hunting precursors. But personally, I believe for us Europeans the family stuff is a load of bullshit. It's who has the cash and who has the connections.

I'd say it's weaker as less LSD is being made at a time, profit. Simple. But at the same time if you know the right people you could probably get 500ug/drop liquid easily, I haven't, but I don't know the right people either. Just like some of the supposed families/brotherhoods out there were supposedly all corrupted by greed of money, happens with everything once the chain gets high enough. Also, if we do believe those who were originally involved in synthing/selling LSD they believed in 'tuning in' with the chemical, make a change, it's likely they thought that with higher doses it would be easier to achieve. I'd agree with that anyway. Also rave culture, more people were going out to raves on cid, lesser doses needed/less freakouts.

But just like any other drug, maybe less so for weed as it's a growing process. Why would someone wish to go so far to the extent of producing LSD then go for something else? A chemical that they are highly unlikely to have personally tried due to today's circumstances. It doesn't add up. There's a lot more stuff going on blotter these days, especially in America what with the NBOMEs. But at the same time they are psychedelics too, not poison, just an added risk of overdose.
 
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