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Did 4-aco-dmt turn me into a shaman?

IME, the 4-substituted tryptamines don't produce delirious hallucinations of such magnitude.

What kind of dose did you take? You lowered it for this ROA, correct? I have IV'd 4-AcO-DMT as well--it can be intense at first but nothing like you describe.
 
The wierd thing was my effect on the room around me. lights would flicker depending on my concentration. I became stressed very quickly, and as soon as I felt that panic, and I felt it very strongly very briefly, the DJ did a spinback - the sound matched my emotion perfectly in both timing and what I'd called the synesthetic 'sound' of my emotion.
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I think this (and feeling like all the event around you are happening on a "soul level" like being "tested") is quite common during strong psychedelic experience. I've also experienced this anyway.

But I think that it's how you are in your everyday life that make what you are. A strong trip can open you like a "shaman" (or whatever an open being is) for a few hours but it doesn't make you a shaman for the rest of your life.

Perceive this possibility could lead your life to a new or different direction from that point though, which it does for me. I'm sure I wouldn't be where and what I am without those strong psychedelics experiences.
 
nearjat said:
I didn't even read all of that.
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And that's where the problem lies. It just sounds like a very heavy psychedelic trip due to the fact it was IV'd, with ketamine in the mix as well.

Obviously I could be wrong, but I don't think too many drugs is the issue as the OP clearly stated he has cut back considerably, of late, in his drug taking and is only really using 4-aco-dmt.
 
I think those people that were your "shamans" were probably just random drunk people and rather than being totally in sync with their thoughts etc, they were probably randomly babling about completely unrelated shit...


sounds like you were just spun the fuck out... been there, done that, its good if its helping you though lol
 
take a deep breath, clue dup...

no, you are not a 'shaman' -

- psychedelics do not "turn" people into 'shamen'... it's a bit more complicated than that!

yet that doesn't mean you can't engage in shamanic practices - indeed your experience very much seems to be encouraging you to explore in that direction...

but let's try to not get too caught up in definitions and labels right now, ok? A key element of psychedelic integration is the ability to step back and take a somewhat more 'detached' perspective. just let things be what they are for a while, without coming to any definite conclusions.

and btw... some of the best 'shamen' would never identify themselves as such... ;)
 
Propyl Power said:
and btw... some of the best 'shamen' would never identify themselves as such... ;)
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I thought a big part of the reason they became shamans was because it was a position of power in the community? Kinda like being in the CID :D
 
^ Believe me, I am well aware of the cultures of machismo and jealousy in the Amazon, and the 'sorcery' that goes on down there. You might appreciate Michael Taussig's "Shamanism, Colonialism, & The Wild Man: A Study in Terror and Healing". It explores a lot of those issues.

- And yet some of them, maybe even only a few, really are there to heal...

Also, shamanism is a global endeavor (despite the word's geographically circumscribed linguistic roots), and it is as diverse as the cultures and people who practice it.
 
There's no "Institute of Shamanism" that declares who is or isn't one. Mainly, if you have alot of knowledge and experiences about the mind, life and the universe (does not necessarily even have to involve drugs at all), AND YOU HELP OTHERS EXPLORE AND UNDERSTAND these things... you are a shaman.

So far as clue.dup's experience: the parts that felt shamanistic, those feelings and impressions were entirely generated inside your own mind; the outside world and especiallly the 2 party dudes probably had nothing to do with it and probably not a clue as to what was going on. As to your guardian angel, also generated inside your own awareness, but nonetheless may well have important information and advice you might not otherwise access. Same with the fairy thingy... I think they do exist in some boundary layer between the imagination and "reality" (whatever the fuck that is), so I'd say that observation was also "real".

Schizophrenic? Could be... but being on IM Ketamine plus 4-aco-dmt, well, anything can happen really. I'd take the advice to SEVERELY scale back the drugs... life is not a competition as to who can get the highest, dude. Such wantonly excessive behavior is immature and, frankly, stupid.
 
I have a huge amount of experience with 4-acO-DMT. I am wondering if you got pulled into a dream-esque CEV that I experienced at doses of 64mg orally and experience as well at doses as low as 32mg.

Other than that, I have never experienced anything similar to what you have OEV and on 4-acO-DMT. Just sayin'.
 
it was definitely IVing the ketamine that produced such hallucinations. IV knocks your fucking socks off, sends you into headspins. the aco mixed with that and sleep deprivation put me in a wierd headspace.

this isn't a troll thread LSDMDMA&AMP, but the title is very tongue in cheek :p I just wanted to relay a particularly intense experience and get some feedback. thanks guys.
 
Well it definitely was interesting.

I know walking to and from a movie, looking totally clean and normal and self-focused, but with a head full of 2C-I or LSD, many times I could swear FAR more people look straight at me or do double takes like I am some long lost friend they thought they recognized all of the sudden, or they get a sudden impulse that I am someone holding some kind of important knowledge for them that they wish they could know. I am pretty sure it is not my imagination or just intensified "noticing" on my part... I think psychedelics intensify your "aura", whatever that is, and somehow causes others to sense this without you doing anything whatsoever and have inexplicable "special" feelings towards you.... I have seen this time and time again in myself and others.

So perhaps a psychedelic can "turn you into a shaman" in this sort of fashion.
 
No psychedelic can turn you into a shaman but technically all of us are capable of manifestation and I've noticed some psychs can really bring that property out - tryptamines more commonly than phenethylamines.

On a high dose of 5-MeO-AMT I took out two lightbulbs, one after the other, by shooting a bolt of blue energy at them - this seen by all three people tripping with me AND the one sober one.

On LSD and MDMA I've flooded parties with so much energy channeling that I got approached by the DJ later who said that was the most intense energy channeling he had ever seen and that I need to be careful or I'll throw off my energy systems. Wish I would have listened to him.
 
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