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dicalz solubility

englandgz74 said:
Is diclaz soluble in ethanol (vodka)for volumetric doses? Only to use in small doses non my4 days off to help ith my PTSD.

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Hi Englandgz - I'm not really upto speed with these things but a quick google search would say that you need a higher percentage of alcohol than the standard bottle of vodka. You don't have Everclear in the UK and I can't remember the strength of the Smirnoff 'Blue' Label.

Sorry I can't give you any other information
 
Why not just get professional treatment for the PTSD instead of doing this to cope?

Dealing with the symptoms short term with the risk of trouble from "dodgy" benzo dosing, is only going to cosh the symptoms short term not teach you how to really cope with them long term. <3
 
I am getting professional treatment kate. This is just to have something as a stsland by on my days off when i get vety anxious...i wouldnt drive or owt.

My motives asside does anyone know if 100 md diaz would dissolve in a miniture vodka bottle please?
 
koneko said:
Why not just get professional treatment for the PTSD instead of doing this to cope?

Dealing with the symptoms short term with the risk of trouble from "dodgy" benzo dosing, is only going to cosh the symptoms short term not teach you how to really cope with them long term. <3
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Your totally right, but if hes asking about vol. dosing maybe he just needs to do a taper after using the benzos - they dont sort anything out or cure anything but they are still a useful tool if you need quick relief from distress. Im sure Englandz knows all this, its just easy to use benzos as a first line treatment just to get your head back together but im sire hes aware they are never a long term solution - its easy to overdo them if your in psychological pain - all the diclazepam pellets ive ever come across have always been spot on and appear to be correctly dosed so why the OP - hes a health professional who could have easily overdone it a bit if his heads been in a bad place so being the experienced practitioner he is he might just want to taper his use rather than stop dead and get rebound symptoms.

Of course all of this is just speculation so please forgive me if Ive got the worng end of the stick - its just that hes intelligent and experienced enough that Im sure if he wants to measure his dclaz through volumetric dosing then Im sure he has a good reason - the shite Ive made up above is just a logical example as to why hes asking this.

As for the OP yes, it should , but as folk has said you really need something decent. I love vodka but I had to give it up about 6 years ago as It made me too agressive and too easy to fly off the handle so I dont know what to suggest product wise - when I was still drinking it the Smirnoff Blue was about the purist and cleanest of the main brands so If I ever decided to try it with ethanol that would be my first choice - we need some Vodka connoisseurs to let us know if there anything better available in the UK. We have a well established polish community in Wolverhampton now and I know they do some good vodkas, again, I just cant comment on what they have as I cant trust myself to drink it anymore.
 
Yeah thanks stee. Im seeing a pressional ptsd counciller but just want something as an adjunct to seelp that can be vloumetrjcally dosed. I wounder if there would be any "real world" difference between bog stsndard red lable cbeap vodka and expensive blue label....ill only need a few hundred mills anyway. Also would addiding a few mills of PG help the mix. I cant be asrsed to go on line a sourse big bottles of PG but dont so ellme bousehold progucts contain it (im not asking for a source just wondering if any household products contain PG) sourcing nazis please dont get knickers in a twist :)
 
I assume when you say bog standard 'Red Label' I assume your still talking about smirnoff?. I dont really know much about VD (I always use rubbers, well, thats what I tell folk when I have to) so I dont know if the Red Label is strong enough but its still a good quality vodka which I think is as important as the proof. Put it this way, I once got 750mls of Asdas Smart Price Vodka for about £5.99 late one night so me and this girl could party - we had a fantastic night polishing it off (37.5 %) with us spending most of the night at Youtube Karaoke and as she was an ex gf I was lucky enough to end up in bed for her - I hate drunken sex but considering how plastered we were it wasnt a bad fuck. But the Smartprice ethos showed us that it was the price, not the smart, that allowed us to have such a good time. We both agreed upon waking that the pain was unbearable, probably the worst hangover that we had ever had, and although we were both 'clean' (I was chipping at the time and the girl had given it up about 18 months previously following her first and only CT) we agreed that the only solution was to go and score, by the time we could even move if was late in the afternoon and although 4mg of clonazepam each should have killed the hangover off were so ill that we still went out to get some gear, with the clonazepam just about softening the edges of the pain to allow us to drive the 8 miles or so to score. So the day ended proper cotch, but despite having a really fun night it was the last time I was stupid enough to buy a cheap vodka. Of course, quality distilled vodka is one of the more forgiving ethanol products when it comes to hangovers but in the harshness of the hangover I reinspected the empty bottle of toxic waste that had got us so pissed, which described in very small print that Asda's Smartprice Vodka was in fact 'Vodka flavoured spirit', so it was basically a bottle of water with an artificial flavouring with 37.5% of the contents consisting of some speakeasy bathtub manufactured ethanol thrown in.

Sorry about the long boring de-rail - please check out the 'Im fucked' thread for an explaination
 
Sorry Engz, I should have known you'd be dealing with the it. Hope you get the diacalz dosing sorted <3
 
For sheer alcohol content, the strongest I know of is Woods 100 navy rum @ 57% abv. However it's a dark rum so I've no idea if that would affect the diclaz solubility.

Apparently food grade ethanol is available online, but it works out pricy as there's a customs and excise charge of nearly £20 per litre.

Alternatively, you could always distill happy shopper vodka :)
 
englandgz74 said:
Could you not maybe heat it gently to evapourate some water and raise the alcohol %age. Before adding in the diclaz?8
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The alcohol will evap before the water, you'd need a proper still set up to get a higher concentration of alcohol out than you started with. I'm not sure if it would work to use methylated spirits, obviously you'd have to make sure your dose has dried thoroughly before taking it as you don't want to be eating methanol.
 
Another option is to pour standard vodka into a shallow dish and put in the freezer overnight. Next day, simply remove the layer of ice and voilà! The remaining liquid is much purer alcohol.

I've no idea if this works in practice, but theoretically it should as the freezing point of ethanol is -119°C
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Another option is to pour standard vodka into a shallow dish and put in the freezer overnight. Next day, simply remove the layer of ice and voilà! The remaining liquid is much purer alcohol.

I've no idea if this works in practice, but theoretically it should as the freezing point of ethanol is -119°C
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You get concentration, but it will be a higher % product instead of freezing all the water out and being left with pure alcohol. Assuming there's no eutectics, the concentration of the frozen product will scale linearly as the temperature goes from 0C to -119C. That should be roughly correct anyway, it's been a while since I revised this stuff for chemicals instead of metal alloys and most metal alloys form eutectics, which throws everything off.
 
Since as PG is a pain to get andninbolves going online. Could you not just buy a bottle of boots glycerol and dump the diclaz in that .....or as mentioned before just a bottle of bof standard vodka...would this not dossolve it for volumetric dosing?
 
englandgz74 said:
Since as PG is a pain to get andninbolves going online. Could you not just buy a bottle of boots glycerol and dump the diclaz in that .....or as mentioned before just a bottle of bof standard vodka...would this not dossolve it for volumetric dosing?
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Glycerol looks like it might work, can't say for sure either way though. If you can spare the diclaz, best bet is to just try it and see.
 
SquidInSunglasses said:
You get concentration, but it will be a higher % product instead of freezing all the water out and being left with pure alcohol. Assuming there's no eutectics, the concentration of the frozen product will scale linearly as the temperature goes from 0C to -119C. That should be roughly correct anyway, it's been a while since I revised this stuff for chemicals instead of metal alloys and most metal alloys form eutectics, which throws everything off.
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Oh I know the ethanol wouldn't be pure, but it must considerably increase its concentration. Just a thought; would the old trick of dehydrating Epsom salts in the oven then adding to the remaining liquid work to further reduce the water content?
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Oh I know the ethanol wouldn't be pure, but it must considerably increase its concentration. Just a thought; would the old trick of dehydrating Epsom salts in the oven then adding to the remaining liquid work to further reduce the water content?
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It's mildly soluble (wiki doesn't have precise numbers, grrrr) but it should work for drying alcohol. Alternately, if you really want to get fancy, you can buy molecular sieves online, and they will work a treat. Defeats the point of not needing to buy anything online though of course.
 
I can only hope that this man is advised strongly against driving or operating machinery, as his typing is everywhere. Assisting him in further benzodiazepine abuse is bound to result in disaster. God help you, man.
 
Yes, there's good advice in #4, but the fellow is quite obviously plastered still. I can only hope that he takes a few days to sober up before undertaking anything involving coordination or concentration. For his sake as well as that of others.
 
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