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Diazepam + Vicodin + alcohol?

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Trex500

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I got 2mg's of valium (diazepam) and 5/500's of vicodin (bottle says Hydrocodon) So the diaz, and hydrocodone are the substitutes.

anyways.

Last time I played around with pills was at christmas, so 3 months clean, i think my tolerance should be good here to get something out of this.

The valium is 2mg.


Are these safe to take together? I guess I know the answer because I know someone who was prescribed valium with oxycodone for serious face surgery. But I am asking just in case.

So if they are safe to take together, should take 2 vicadins (do the CWE) And maybe 2 valium? That would total 10 mg vicadin and 4mg valium.

And to top it off, alcohol? Good idea or bad idea? Maybe just 2-3 to kick-start the buzz?

As always, Thanks.
 
Basic dosing/combo questions belong in BDD.

OD >>> BDD

Since all three of these are CNS depressants the more you consume and mix the more dangerous it becomes.

Personally I would stick with just the hydrocodone and start with 40mg 20mg or so. If you plan on mixing with benzos though then be very careful and take less than half of what you would usually take of both.

I doubt you'll need nor want booze in addition to all of this.

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If you want to do a CWE it is a waste on 2 pills so start with 8pills and split the results into two ~<20mg doses.
 
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All of those are CNS depressants, so mixing them should be approached with great caution. Oversedation is the way that most people who die of drug OD die.

That said, 4mg of valium is a tiny dose.
I think with no tolerance 10-20mg of hydrocodone on it's own is what people recommend. I'd have no fear about 4mg valium with 10mg hydrocodone...

Not sure how i'd feel about adding alcohol to that, though; benzos make alcohol hit a lot harder, and alcohol and opiates can hit unexpectedly hard too.


amapola said:
Basic dosing/combo questions belong in BDD.

OD >>> BDD

Since all three of these are CNS depressants the more you consume and mix the more dangerous it becomes.

Personally I would stick with just the hydrocodone and start with 40mg or so. If you plan on mixing with benzos though then be very careful and take less than half of what you would usually take of both.
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He said he's been opiate free for 3 months, so he should have almost no tolerance - I was under the impression that a no-tolerance dose for hydrocodone would be 10-20mg, with most people wanting near the high end of that.
 
He said he's been opiate free for 3 months, so he should have almost no tolerance - I was under the impression that a no-tolerance dose for hydrocodone would be 10-20mg, with most people wanting near the high end of that.
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Ah yes you are correct. I had originally written that I wouldn't do a CWE for only 2 pills and if he wanted to do one start with at least 40mg of hydro to make it worthwhile (split into two doses if required) and then didn't change things around properly. Thanks for pointing it out :)
 
Thanks for the responses fellas.

Maybe ill just save these for tireless nights, or long car/plane rides. I have a 14 hour plane ride to europe this summer, and I cant sleep on them haha.

Seems that I struck gold by have a friend give these to me, to bad that friend is 5'4 130lbs and im 6'5 230..I', sure that had to made a difference in prescribing them? *rambling now*

Thanks for the info, so if i were to do a CWE do it with 4 pills ( 4 of the 5/500's)

and drink it all?

Anything under 20mg for CWE is not worth it?
 
Trex500 said:
Thanks for the responses fellas.

Maybe ill just save these for tireless nights, or long car/plane rides. I have a 14 hour plane ride to europe this summer, and I cant sleep on them haha.

Seems that I struck gold by have a friend give these to me, to bad that friend is 5'4 130lbs and im 6'5 230..I', sure that had to made a difference in prescribing them? *rambling now*

Thanks for the info, so if i were to do a CWE do it with 4 pills ( 4 of the 5/500's)

and drink it all?

Anything under 20mg for CWE is not worth it?
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As far as it being worth it, it doesn't depend so much on how much hydrocodone (or oxycodone) is in the pills, its how much APAP.

For example, if you had four 5/500 Vicodin or 5/500 hydrocodone/APAP (generic Vicodin) that would be 20mg hydrocodone and 2000mg APAP, which is a bit much if you're going to be drinking alcohol on it.

On the other hand, if you had two 10/325 Norco or 10/325 hydrocodone/APAP (generic Norco), that would be the same amount of hydrocodone, but only 650mg APAP. You wouldn't have to do a CWE in that situation.

Hydrocodone/APAP combination products come in many different dosage strengths, there even exists a 7.5/750 version (don't know the brand name, but most people just call it Vicodin) that you would obviously have to be really careful with.

Best of luck and feel free to ask any other questions man :)
 
CWEing 4 X 5/500s would be silly at best.

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though apparently the person above disagrees. so, IMO.
 
You haven't played around with any pills since christmas and you want to take 10 mg hydrocodone and 4 mg diazepam - I say go for it. It's a safe enough dose. Just leave the alcohol out of the picture. It will ruin the entire experience if you drink too much. If you think it will enhance it, you're dead wrong. But if you're going to drink regardless of what I say, I say keep it to a minimum. Also remember that the APAP in the Vikes and the alcohol both effect your liver negatively.

You know your limits best, so stay within them and be safe!

Also don't CWE the Vicodins because it's just 2 pills (1000 mg of APAP). It's not good for your liver, but at that dose it's not going to be too bad. At higher doses, say if it were 5 or 6 pills, I would've recommended you CWE.
 
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4mg of Valium is a very small dose and would be safe to take with 15mg of hydrocodone. That would be good dose for someone without a tolerance. You would not need to worry about respiratory depression. HOWEVER I would not recommend adding the alcohol to the mix. That's a third CNS depressant. Doing this is a risk. You also may think just a couple drinks and that turns into 3 drinks, then 4, 5...etc. Its easy to get carried away when you mix benzos and alcohol. But 4mg of Valium is a very small dose (you probably won't feel it) and 15mg of hydro would be fine to mix with it.
 
Trex500 said:
Anything under 20mg for CWE is not worth it?
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With the CWE process, you will always have some loss of product. 2000mg of acetaminophen shouldn't be too dangerous to take once in a while (assuming you have a healthy liver to begin with. don't make a habit out of it either). Therefore, doing a CWE on such a small amount seems unnecessarily wasteful IMO. I think it's a good idea to just take 20mg of hydrocodone alone to get a feel for it.

As to your original questions;

Mixing opiates with another CNS depressants is not "safe." It's especially unsafe to mix opiates with two other CNS depressants. The risk of overdose is greatly increased when opiates are mixed with other CNS depressants. The CNS depression of opiates+benzos can be synergistic; the total effect of the combo is greater than the sum of it's parts. If you must do this, use a lower than usual dose for both drugs. Don't bother with the alcohol. It's dangerous and it takes away from the opiate feelings (makes me very nauseous too). Also, be aware that diazepam will take longer to take affect than hydrocodone will. I recommend not taking more than 10mg of each drug in combination.

good luck.
 
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