Diazepam at work

[emkee_reinvented]

Oh, I also forgot; CBD/CBG could be better options also, if they just work for you.

And not THC-O which i mentioned, but have no exp with. Its pretty pyschedelic it seems.
More then THC probably, not a good candidate like that HHC/ HHC-p/ Terpinoids vape.

CBG if correct was really mellow, not like THC with the associated blazed look and panic attacks.
So far it seems as CBD non psychoactive. So what the use is it more psychoactive then claimed ?

HHC is orally at least at 25 mg non psychoactive for me.
But its claimed to be, but probably or in higher doses or a bunk gummy block.
Were tastey though mmm.

 

[Keif' Richards]

What you're proposing is, in essence, a bad idea.

Benzodiazepines are not a chronic treatment for anxiety. Prescribing guidelines are very clear; no longer than 4-6 weeks at the very most. After this six week term, the negative is rapidly begin to outweigh the positives.

Tolerance will occur. You will experience both physiological tolerance in addition to your mind acclimating to the effects.

Those with anxiety are easy prey for Benzpdiazepines. Tolerance will cause you to restart this process repeatedly, as your anxiety returns and the dose escalates to cope. As this process unfolds, returns diminish exponentially. The end result of Benzodiazepine dependence is more or less constant panic/anxiety even with Benzpdiazepines on board. When you run out, it's nothing short of a living hell.

If you want to use Diazepam for a month while you engage in therapy, push yourself with some exposure therapy etc. , that would make more sense.

You can't just make Benzodiazepines your solution. It will not give you permanent progress and coul potentially rob you of a lot more.

 

[canadianpeduser]

Fuck I love Valium. Sorta glad I was never prescribed it cause I’d be fucked. Lol

 

[emkee_reinvented]

GAD, no clue if you experience this, but can be treated by Pregabalin/ Lyrica.

Which in my case worked wonders without many side effect of benzo s.
An for me was not addicting at 150/ 225 mg a day. Though that differs from person to person i read.

Just take about 2 hours to start working. Maybe a good midway ?

 

[Jnowhere]

Dude, you ain't kidding about the paradoxical effect. I knew someone that was pure anger and hated if they took a certain benzo.

Not as strong as Xanax but much stronger by weight and the general effect than Valium.

 

[Bleaney]

What type of work are we talking about? Are we talking cooking food at Arby's, or the captain flying a Boeing 747?

Regardless, 20mg per day is a fairly heavy dose to start out with if you have no tolerance. This is enough to potentially make you stumble around a bit and make people suspect you are drunk (if they watch you for that). This is certainly enough to be dangerous if you work around heavy machinery.

After a week or two, 10-20mg won't do that much, and you will want to take more most likely.

I would not advise you start taking benzos daily simply for stress at work. This will lead to much bigger problems than work stress down the road.

Most of what you're saying is sensible and good advice.

However, I don't agree that tolerance sets in as quickly as within 1 - 2 weeks. Sure, successive doses will never hit the same as the first one, and the 'honeymoon period' of the initial feeling of amazement and joy at the effectivness will subside over the first week or 2.

But there'd be absolutely no need to be increasing the dose within that sort of time period. Especially if a person takes as many days off as possible, and uses as sparingly and irregularly as possible, it can be possible to reduce the onset of tolerance and the need to increase the dose, almost indefinitely. Depending on how many days a person uses vs how many days they have off.

Obviously a sustained run of continual daily dosing without breaks is where tolerance and other bad things can happen. But this takes several months to happen, in my experience, rather than a week or two.

As ever though, YMMV, for everyone concerned.

 

[jasperkent]

Dude, you ain't kidding about the paradoxical effect.

I've seen this in others and I experienced it a couple times myself.

Generally speaking, I'd say use any benzo only as a last resort and for a short time or only very intermittently. That stuff is not to be taken casually.

 

[Jnowhere]

I've seen this in others and I experienced it a couple times myself.

Generally speaking, I'd say use any benzo only as a last resort and for a short time or only very intermittently. That stuff is not to be taken casually.

How about 3x a day for almost 8 years.
Hey, I stopped The Ativan( lorazepam) and am stuck on Valium 3x 10mg a day.
Is that too long?

 

[MedicinalUser247]

I would love to take Diazepam 10mg. twice a day, but instead I'm on stupid Clonazepam 0.5mg. twice a day and my doctor won't increase the dosage.

 

[Jnowhere]

I would love to take Diazepam 10mg. twice a day, but instead I'm on stupid Clonazepam 0.5mg. twice a day and my doctor won't increase the dosage.

I was on Ativan( lorazepam) 1mg=10mg of Valium. I was on 2mgx3 times a day.
60mg Valium equivalent.

A little over a year ago I lowered( my choice) it to Valium 10mgx3 times aday. Now to get off the rest. Unfortunately I am in pain and it helps balance me out. ( my oxycodone script wakes me up and keeps me up). Valium keeps me calm and I can sleep better.

Getting stuck on benzos sucks

 

[Cult315]

Hey fellow bluelighters. I was a drug addict for a few years on h and uppers mainly..not alcohol ..Now I have some time of sobriety BUT since my work is really stressful and it's hard for me not to snap on random situations..mainly anger and distress due to personal circumstances , I was considering to start a light diazepam dosing in the range of 5-10 mg twice daily ..and keep it this way taking some breaks for tolerance...I also smoke weed which synergies exceptionally with diazepam ...Anyone here with experience on diazepam at work environments I would appreciate your feedback ..also I would like to know if tolerance on small doses like that Is real..thanks

Saying you like x substance but not y substance are the famous last words of every addict ever before they go balls deep into their next mistress. I absolutely hate meth but here I am, hooked on it after trying to use it to get off suboxone. Benzos are a very dangerous game and while they’re comparative to an alcohol buzz, they’re not alcohol and you’ll develop dependence much faster than alcohol.

Being an ex heroin user and stim user(don’t know which but pretty much all stims are re-dosed compulsively) you should know all too well about telling yourself you’re only going to do “so much”, whatever the amount may be. Somebody up above mentioned how if(big if’s here) you manage to keep your doses at your specified range and take breaks that you definitely can manage to stay on ~20mg a day, but I can’t see somebody who was both a heroin and stim user having that type of control when on day 3 you get pissed and your 10mg of Valium doesn’t have the same kick as it did on day one.

The only time I ever hear of patients getting prescribed benzos (x) times a day are pain patients and heavily sedated psych patients, everybody else gets per needed. Can’t say that with too much confidence as I’m sure there’s plenty of people over scripted benzos, but i rarely see it outside of those cases. IMO taking 20mg daily will not be sustainable for long, because it’s not going to “take the edge off” when you almost instantly build a tolerance to it, at least enough of a tolerance where you’re just going to feel normal instead of your idea of mellowed out. Unless you’re the addict with the most control I’ve ever heard of(that illicitly buys Valium to chill out at work because people piss you off) this is going to backfire on you very fast. Maybe you’re not currently an addict, but you’ve been one and have to know this is just a dumb idea man.

I can’t judge cause I’m just as much of a dumb fuck, maybe even more so, than any other person telling themself that a new drug after getting clean is a good idea. Benzos seem innocent enough to those ignorant but I’ve watched a lot of people ruin their life faster on benzos than any other drug(with the exception of fent). Maybe you can do it, but I know I couldn’t and I’ve been playing this game for over 20 years. I’ve used pretty much everything to get off everything, most of the time it works great and a few times it hasn’t, but even the times I managed to get myself clean I always end up back on something and half of my ex and current addictions are because I started using a drug I didn’t really care for because it’s something I (thought I)knew I wouldn’t get hooked on or abuse in excess. Just something to take the edge off a bit, or a tool to wake me up and keep me going. Shit backfires every time

The problem with benzos is they’re super easy to fuck up with badly without even knowing you did it. Say you do manage to keep your dose regulated for a few weeks, and you have a particularly bad day where some dude really got under your skin and you’re seeing fuckin red so you say fuck it and pop an extra. 30 minutes later you’re still pissed as fuck and the Valium isn’t doing shit cause this dumb ass tolerance, so you take another and 10 minutes later another to stop you from punching out a mirror in the employee bathroom or whatever you do that you’re taking valium to avoid. Next thing you know you wake up at 3pm the next day with missed calls and texts from fuckin everybody asking you what the fuck is wrong with you and you either lost your job or your boss has called you to a hearing to discuss your actions yesterday and “how you’re going to move forward”. Then you go to take a Valium to calm down and discover you ate the whole script yesterday cause benzos are sirens like that, they sing til you sink the ship.

Self medicating with a history of addiction is a really bad idea. If your anger is that bad that you’re worried about it, suppressing it with benzos is only going to help for so long(and I can’t imagine it’ll be very long at all) before it blows up in your face. I’d be willing to bet money on that.

Sorry if I come off like an asshole, like I said I’ve watched too many people ruin their lives on benzos and it’s usually in record time. If I hadn’t already been at rock bottom during my Xanax days I probably would’ve done the same to mine, but I was already unemployed, broke and everybody thought I was a piece of shit lol. Good luck, hopefully you decide against it and if not don’t go off the deep end

 

[Quasimoto]

Dude, you ain't kidding about the paradoxical effect. I knew someone that was pure anger and hated if they took a certain benzo.

I've seen this in others and I experienced it a couple times myself.

I've always had minor paradoxical effects from certain benzos. The first benzo I ever took when I was a teenager was diazepam and I remember paradoxical effects. But they've always been relatively minor, yet notible. It gives me minor general anxiety, moodiness and mood swings, and makes me feel mildly stimulated.

It's not extremely unpleasant, but certainly unwanted. Ironically, I usually become very productive within these paradoxical states, clean the house, get errands done, organize things, etc. But this is done out of compulsion, because if I don't do these things, I feel more anxious.

When I experience paradoxical effects, sometimes I feel calm and sedated, other times I feel slightly manic and anxious, and I usually cycle through these 2 states very rapidly, several times per hour.

But it's curiously only certain benzos, not the whole class. This paradoxical effect can also occur with propofol, which plugs into the GABA receptor in the same way alcohol does.

I've also noticed the paradoxical effects are worse if I am detoxing from alcohol. This made me look into the cause, and sure enough, history of alcohol abuse is considered the main cause along with a genetic deformation of GABA receptors. I seemingly have both.

This paradoxical effect is only seen with benzos and propofol, no other GABAergic depressants that are mentioned in the literature.

I could probably do more research and maybe find out which GABAa subunit site I have a problem with, because each benzo effects different subunits differently.

But luckily, I have never experienced rage or anything nearly as severe as what is described in the medical literature.

Paradoxical benzo effects caused the Travis the Chimp tragedy (Don't look this story up if you are sensative to human medical gore or animals being forcibly put down. It's incredibly sad and horrific in several ways).

 

[Jnowhere]

I've always had minor paradoxical effects from certain benzos. The first benzo I ever took when I was a teenager was diazepam and I remember paradoxical effects. But they've always been relatively minor, yet notible. It gives me minor general anxiety, moodiness and mood swings, and makes me feel mildly stimulated.

It's not extremely unpleasant, but certainly unwanted. Ironically, I usually become very productive within these paradoxical states, clean the house, get errands done, organize things, etc. But this is done out of compulsion, because if I don't do these things, I feel more anxious.

When I experience paradoxical effects, sometimes I feel calm and sedated, other times I feel slightly manic and anxious, and I usually cycle through these 2 states very rapidly, several times per hour.

But it's curiously only certain benzos, not the whole class. This paradoxical effect can also occur with propofol, which plugs into the GABA receptor in the same way alcohol does.

I've also noticed the paradoxical effects are worse if I am detoxing from alcohol. This made me look into the cause, and sure enough, history of alcohol abuse is considered the main cause along with a genetic deformation of GABA receptors. I seemingly have both.

This paradoxical effect is only seen with benzos and propofol, no other GABAergic depressants that are mentioned in the literature.

I could probably do more research and maybe find out which GABAa subunit site I have a problem with, because each benzo effects different subunits differently.

But luckily, I have never experienced rage or anything nearly as severe as what is described in the medical literature.

Paradoxical benzo effects caused the Travis the Chimp tragedy (Don't look this story up if you are sensative to human medical gore or animals being forcibly put down. It's incredibly sad and horrific in several ways).

I knew someone well, who was psychotic at times on benzos. Not physically violent, but it wouldn't have taken very much for that to change.

This person, besides unbelievable vile hatred and pure anger in their speech. They would get this look, kinda of Like Jack Nicholson; in ' The Shining' when he was breaking the door open with an ax. Only with less of a sense of humor.
" Here's Johnny"

 

[Jnowhere]

Quasimoto: I loved that quote by Mike Tyson

 

[Halif2]

Sorry if I come off like an asshole, like I said I’ve watched too many people ruin their lives on benzos and it’s usually in record time.

Harsh truths. Both of your posts are really good (in terms of warning people about how bad it can go with benzos).

I've also enjoyed a drink in my past and have never been able to drink in moderation. Thankfully I have managed to remain fairly well behaved even when wasted. The crazy thing is that I've been blackout drunk and I've been blackout benzo'd, and the latter one I didn't see coming at all. With alcohol you can clearly feel yourself becoming drunk. You can hear your words slurring, you can feel your balance going, you can hear yourself saying shit you wouldn't normally say - all of this well before you are completely gone.

With benzos, on the other hand...

In two of the times I blacked out, the memory loss period was so sudden and absolute that I didn't know about it until the next day. In one case I was going about my morning routine and when I got to the mirror, I had a completely different haircut. Turns out I'd gone and got it cut the previous afternoon. Another time I suggested to my wife that we go and try that new restaurant down the road - she told me we'd been there a couple of nights ago.

In both cases I had absolutely zero memory and zero understanding that I'd blacked out until presented with some evidence that something had happened that I couldn't remember. Neither of these times were caused by particularly large doses, either.

Now, I'm extremely lucky that all I did was get a haircut and go out for dinner on these two occasions. But the thing that scares me to this day is that I don't know if I've blacked out on other occasions and simply never noticed.

 

[jasperkent]

Dude, you ain't kidding about the paradoxical effect.

I've always had minor paradoxical effects from certain benzos.

It happens in dogs sometimes. The one time I gave my late Dixie Chick a benzo, she had a paradoxical reaction.
She was terrified of thunder and would tremble, whine, & try to hide when she heard it. Once there was a big thunderstorm predicted, so I gave her a tiny sliver of Xanax that I just happened to have.
Fortunately the storm missed us, but she was pacing around and panting all night long. Kept me up.
I never made that mistake again.

 

[endlessnameless]

Harsh truths. Both of your posts are really good (in terms of warning people about how bad it can go with benzos).

I've also enjoyed a drink in my past and have never been able to drink in moderation. Thankfully I have managed to remain fairly well behaved even when wasted. The crazy thing is that I've been blackout drunk and I've been blackout benzo'd, and the latter one I didn't see coming at all. With alcohol you can clearly feel yourself becoming drunk. You can hear your words slurring, you can feel your balance going, you can hear yourself saying shit you wouldn't normally say - all of this well before you are completely gone.

With benzos, on the other hand...

In two of the times I blacked out, the memory loss period was so sudden and absolute that I didn't know about it until the next day. In one case I was going about my morning routine and when I got to the mirror, I had a completely different haircut. Turns out I'd gone and got it cut the previous afternoon. Another time I suggested to my wife that we go and try that new restaurant down the road - she told me we'd been there a couple of nights ago.

In both cases I had absolutely zero memory and zero understanding that I'd blacked out until presented with some evidence that something had happened that I couldn't remember. Neither of these times were caused by particularly large doses, either.

Now, I'm extremely lucky that all I did was get a haircut and go out for dinner on these two occasions. But the thing that scares me to this day is that I don't know if I've blacked out on other occasions and simply never noticed.

Oh man I laughed so hard at the blacked out benzo haircut. Have definitely had plenty of haircuts benzod (most of my haircuts I'll usually take something to calm my anxiety of sitting in the chair having to have a conversation with someone I didnt know about somehing I didnt care about) but as always the same one.

So embarassing when someone asks 'Oh my god, you dont REMEMBER THAT? It was only two weeks ago'. They work when you need them so I'm trying to just stay at the point of where I keep 40mgs Diazepam in my EDC bag as an emergency anxiety killer. Rarely ever need to use my emergency benzo dose honestyly because I know they're there and so it helps me to push though. I've only ever had to go for it three times in a 6 month peroid and I've managed to keep myself at a comparitvely exptremely low dose than to before.

I also was just in hospital for five days and didnt have any at all which I'm going to use to my advantage and hopefully keep away from any kind of regular use and just keep the emergency dose in the EDC because cold turkey off them is lethal and if not its absolute hell and makes heroin withdrawls a little bitch it comparison.